NFL Coach of the Year

Travis · 11-17-2003, 01:09 AM

Parcells or Marvin? Any other candidates that you think can replace those two?

NoMyths · 11-17-2003, 01:11 AM

Um, the other Bill?

ISiddiqui · 11-17-2003, 01:13 AM

Belichek just hasn't done as good a job as Parcells or Lewis. No way. Taking a team that many projected as having a winning season to the playoffs isn't as great as taking the Boys or Bengals close to the promised land.

HornedFrog Purple · 11-17-2003, 01:23 AM

Why not John Fox or Mike Holmgren? They have each done a pretty nice job also.

Travis · 11-17-2003, 01:29 AM

Holmgren, as much as it pains me to say it, has no chance whatsoever. The Seahawks have not delivered what they should have this year, no matter their record. Sure, they're 2 or 3 plays away from being nearly undefeated this year, but they're also 4 or 5 plays away from being a .500 or worse team. I know that winning those close games usually comes down to a clutch call or two, but they are capable of so much more on offense that it hurts to watch right now. The biggest difference is that their D is playing better ball this year (especially early this season), but until Mike can get that offense clicking the way it did to end last season (or at least a reasonable facsimile), no way is he outcoaching Lewis or Parcells.

I know it sounds harsh, but they aren't as good as they should be, and aren't close to where they were a year ago at this time, we just didn't have the first half tail spin we did last year.

uglytuco · 11-17-2003, 01:31 AM

Id vote for Marvin hands down. But Im a lifelong Bengal fan, so maybe Im biased. Theres no doubt that both he and Parcells are deserving at least to this point of the season. Perhaps one of them (Marvin) will make the vote easier.

It may just come down to who goes the furthest in the playoffs. My god, am I not only talking about my Bengals going to the playoffs, but going FAR in them? I better check my medication.

mckerney · 11-17-2003, 01:32 AM

Jack Del Rio

It's the stump thing that did it for him.

korme · 11-17-2003, 01:45 AM

Marvin Lewis.

Before Lewis, when was there even Cincinnati Bengal talk in November?

Abe Sargent · 11-17-2003, 02:01 AM

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Originally posted by Shorty3281
Marvin Lewis.

Before Lewis, when was there even Cincinnati Bengal talk in November?

There's only Bengal talk in November because the conference is so weak. Sure, Marvin had done an acceptable job getting Cincinnatio an extra pair of wins, but that's not that big of a turnaround folks.

Parcells, if he had won tonight, would have been my choice up through this week. The Cowboys have done a good job. But in both the Cowboys and Bengals cases, neither were playng to their potential, and we all knew that. Sure, both have overperformed this year, and their coaches have something to do about that, but it's not as big a job as all that. Remember, Cincy had a big offseason bringing in talent.

Now, Dick Vermeil should deserve some nods despite losing today. Best record, a team that is clicking, and he has displayed every bit the ability to turn teams around as has Parcells.

But I go with Bellichick. He has made unpopular decisions, and continues to win with smoke and mirrors. The Patriots win games with an anemic offense (I know, I start Brady as my QB, in FFL, heh) that stars a running game without a master, a passing game without a receiving threat of any significance, and an injury list the size of Chernobyl. And he beat the scheming master tonight, and he's done all of it in one of the toughest divisions year in and year out.

So I go with Bellichick.

-Anxiety

TroyF · 11-17-2003, 02:36 AM

I don't think it can be decided yet. We'll see how the Cowboys, Bengals and Patriots all finish up.

Billy B. probably would get my vote right now. Lewis would be a close second. Parcells, Fox and Vermeil rounding out the top 5.

TroyF

scooper · 11-17-2003, 09:02 AM

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Originally posted by Anxiety
There's only Bengal talk in November because the conference is so weak. Sure, Marvin had done an acceptable job getting Cincinnatio an extra pair of wins, but that's not that big of a turnaround folks.

-Anxiety

An extra pair? It's three and counting, and if they go .500 from here on out (possible) it will be six extra wins. I'm not sure you understand how inept this team was last year. And actually, they are literally three plays away from being 8-2 right now. Unless you've been watching, you can't comprehend how much better they have become and the impact Marvin has had.

MrBug708 · 11-17-2003, 12:21 PM

John Fox deserves it. 8-2 with some solid wins (at the time at least). No one predicted a winning season much less 6 games over .500 so far

clintl · 11-17-2003, 01:14 PM

There are about a half dozen legitimate candidates, and I think we'll have to wait for the final six games to be played to figure this out. I'd say that Vermeil, Fox, Parcells, Lewis, Bellichick, and Holmgren all have a shot at this point.

WSUCougar · 11-17-2003, 01:31 PM

1. Bellichick - Smoke and mirrors, man. The best example of how good coaching wins games.

2. Fox - They have some huge wins, and are the lead horse for the NFC home field. A quieter version of what Parcells has done in Dallas, with perhaps fewer weapons. Jake Delhomme?!?

3. Parcells - The media machine has him at a god-like level. But that team has been exposed against quality opponents. Another year he'd be the top pick, perhaps...but not this year.

NYFAN · 11-17-2003, 02:03 PM

I think right now I'd lean towards Fox, then Parcells then Marvin Lewis. Fox's team has shown remarkable improvement since he's been there, and his team has a legit chance to do damage. They are over achieving, but they are very good to begin with, and I think that can be harder to do than overachieving with young mediocre talent. Plus they have Delhomme.. Parcells' team has overachieved more than most teams, but I think they need to finish strong in order for him to win COY. Marvin Lewis' team is probably at where they should have been the last few years - he's doing a good job, but is he really doing a great job? On the same note if his team finishes 11-5 on some fluke, it has to go to him regardless of what those other two teams do.

TroyF · 11-17-2003, 02:13 PM

Sorry WSU, Lewis has to be considered top 3.

People who are talking about the Bengals only getting attention because of the weak AFC north are missing the point. The Bengals are at .500 after 10 games. Pittsburgh could be 8-2 and this would still be a story.

This isn't a proven winner in Parcells coming into town and taking an already good defense and his coaching methods to build a winning program.

This is a guy with no NFL head coaching experience walking into a team that lost by an average score of 28-17 last year. He let their best defensive player walk and has still improved their defense by a TD a game.

If the Bengals finish the year off at .500, I see no way he isn't in the top 3.

Now lets talk about the Bills for a second. This is a team that clearly has one of the, if not the worst coaching staff in pro football right now. Two years ago they could have had Lewis. (I, along with MANY others thought Lewis should have got the job not based on race, but on merit)

If Lewis were to continue turning the Bengals ship around, this could be one of the greatest blunders of all time in coaching decisions. It's like taking Sam Bowie over Jordan. Buffalo really missed the boat on that one.

TroyF

scooper · 11-17-2003, 02:20 PM

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Originally posted by TroyF

Buffalo really missed the boat on that one.

TroyF

Yep!

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Alan T · 11-17-2003, 02:22 PM

I would probably have to go with Bellicheck.. When I catch a Patriots game, I almost always feel that the other team just has far more talent than them. The Patriots are probably the team that has the most stump factor (stumping people on how in the heck they actually won that game)...

After him, I would probably go with Fox.. great season for that team.. they have some holes that have been exploited, but quietly winning with a good system in place that maximizes the team's abilities.. (and I say this while pulling the dagger out of my side that is being a Falcons fan)...

Then probably would say Bill Parcells. I dont think the Cowboys are going to go all the way, and I think you can make a case that if they win the division its because of how poorly the eagles started the season.. but he simply took the same guys from the previous years, and turned them into 4-6 wins better than the previous coach.

And I would then say marvin Lewis.. not because he is a poor coach, I think he has done an outstanding job, and him being here on my list is not a slight on him, but instead a compliment on the level of coaching thus far this season. lewis has taken a team that was the joke of the NFL for a long long time, and turned them into a competing team, without their best weapon. The Bengals might not make the playoffs, but the fact they are no longer the league's whipping post is a statement for the quality of work Lewis has done..

Of course like others said.. the season is not over yet, and I hold the right to change my opinion on this subject as fast as my wife changes her mind on what she wants for Christmas.

Alan T · 11-17-2003, 02:24 PM

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Originally posted by TroyF

Now lets talk about the Bills for a second. This is a team that clearly has one of the, if not the worst coaching staff in pro football right now.

TroyF

My falcons will give them a run for their money

11-17-2003, 01:13 AM	#3
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Belichek just hasn't done as good a job as Parcells or Lewis. No way. Taking a team that many projected as having a winning season to the playoffs isn't as great as taking the Boys or Bengals close to the promised land. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

11-17-2003, 01:23 AM	#4
HornedFrog Purple Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Fort Worthless, Tx	Why not John Fox or Mike Holmgren? They have each done a pretty nice job also. __________________ King of All FOFC Media!!! IHOF: Fort Worthless Fury- 2004 AOC Deep South Champions (not acknowledged via conspiracy)

11-17-2003, 01:29 AM	#5
Travis Pro Rookie Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Canada eh	Holmgren, as much as it pains me to say it, has no chance whatsoever. The Seahawks have not delivered what they should have this year, no matter their record. Sure, they're 2 or 3 plays away from being nearly undefeated this year, but they're also 4 or 5 plays away from being a .500 or worse team. I know that winning those close games usually comes down to a clutch call or two, but they are capable of so much more on offense that it hurts to watch right now. The biggest difference is that their D is playing better ball this year (especially early this season), but until Mike can get that offense clicking the way it did to end last season (or at least a reasonable facsimile), no way is he outcoaching Lewis or Parcells. I know it sounds harsh, but they aren't as good as they should be, and aren't close to where they were a year ago at this time, we just didn't have the first half tail spin we did last year. __________________ "I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it." - Rogers Hornsby

11-17-2003, 01:31 PM	#14
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	1. Bellichick - Smoke and mirrors, man. The best example of how good coaching wins games. 2. Fox - They have some huge wins, and are the lead horse for the NFC home field. A quieter version of what Parcells has done in Dallas, with perhaps fewer weapons. Jake Delhomme?!? 3. Parcells - The media machine has him at a god-like level. But that team has been exposed against quality opponents. Another year he'd be the top pick, perhaps...but not this year. __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

11-17-2003, 02:03 PM	#15
NYFAN High School JV Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Marietta, OH	I think right now I'd lean towards Fox, then Parcells then Marvin Lewis. Fox's team has shown remarkable improvement since he's been there, and his team has a legit chance to do damage. They are over achieving, but they are very good to begin with, and I think that can be harder to do than overachieving with young mediocre talent. Plus they have Delhomme.. Parcells' team has overachieved more than most teams, but I think they need to finish strong in order for him to win COY. Marvin Lewis' team is probably at where they should have been the last few years - he's doing a good job, but is he really doing a great job? On the same note if his team finishes 11-5 on some fluke, it has to go to him regardless of what those other two teams do. __________________ "Adversity never improves your character, it only reveals it." - Jeff Van Gundy "It was me against the world, but it made me strong" -Sprewell

11-17-2003, 01:11 AM	#2
NoMyths Poet in Residence Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Charleston, SC	Um, the other Bill?

11-17-2003, 01:31 AM	#6
uglytuco n00b Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: South Park, PA	Id vote for Marvin hands down. But Im a lifelong Bengal fan, so maybe Im biased. Theres no doubt that both he and Parcells are deserving at least to this point of the season. Perhaps one of them (Marvin) will make the vote easier. It may just come down to who goes the furthest in the playoffs. My god, am I not only talking about my Bengals going to the playoffs, but going FAR in them? I better check my medication.

11-17-2003, 01:32 AM	#7
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Jack Del Rio It's the stump thing that did it for him.

11-17-2003, 01:45 AM	#8
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	Marvin Lewis. Before Lewis, when was there even Cincinnati Bengal talk in November?

11-17-2003, 02:36 AM	#10
TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I don't think it can be decided yet. We'll see how the Cowboys, Bengals and Patriots all finish up. Billy B. probably would get my vote right now. Lewis would be a close second. Parcells, Fox and Vermeil rounding out the top 5. TroyF

11-17-2003, 12:21 PM	#12
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	John Fox deserves it. 8-2 with some solid wins (at the time at least). No one predicted a winning season much less 6 games over .500 so far

11-17-2003, 01:14 PM	#13
clintl College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Davis, CA	There are about a half dozen legitimate candidates, and I think we'll have to wait for the final six games to be played to figure this out. I'd say that Vermeil, Fox, Parcells, Lewis, Bellichick, and Holmgren all have a shot at this point.

11-17-2003, 02:13 PM	#16
TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Sorry WSU, Lewis has to be considered top 3. People who are talking about the Bengals only getting attention because of the weak AFC north are missing the point. The Bengals are at .500 after 10 games. Pittsburgh could be 8-2 and this would still be a story. This isn't a proven winner in Parcells coming into town and taking an already good defense and his coaching methods to build a winning program. This is a guy with no NFL head coaching experience walking into a team that lost by an average score of 28-17 last year. He let their best defensive player walk and has still improved their defense by a TD a game. If the Bengals finish the year off at .500, I see no way he isn't in the top 3. Now lets talk about the Bills for a second. This is a team that clearly has one of the, if not the worst coaching staff in pro football right now. Two years ago they could have had Lewis. (I, along with MANY others thought Lewis should have got the job not based on race, but on merit) If Lewis were to continue turning the Bengals ship around, this could be one of the greatest blunders of all time in coaching decisions. It's like taking Sam Bowie over Jordan. Buffalo really missed the boat on that one. TroyF

11-17-2003, 02:22 PM	#18
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	I would probably have to go with Bellicheck.. When I catch a Patriots game, I almost always feel that the other team just has far more talent than them. The Patriots are probably the team that has the most stump factor (stumping people on how in the heck they actually won that game)... After him, I would probably go with Fox.. great season for that team.. they have some holes that have been exploited, but quietly winning with a good system in place that maximizes the team's abilities.. (and I say this while pulling the dagger out of my side that is being a Falcons fan)... Then probably would say Bill Parcells. I dont think the Cowboys are going to go all the way, and I think you can make a case that if they win the division its because of how poorly the eagles started the season.. but he simply took the same guys from the previous years, and turned them into 4-6 wins better than the previous coach. And I would then say marvin Lewis.. not because he is a poor coach, I think he has done an outstanding job, and him being here on my list is not a slight on him, but instead a compliment on the level of coaching thus far this season. lewis has taken a team that was the joke of the NFL for a long long time, and turned them into a competing team, without their best weapon. The Bengals might not make the playoffs, but the fact they are no longer the league's whipping post is a statement for the quality of work Lewis has done.. Of course like others said.. the season is not over yet, and I hold the right to change my opinion on this subject as fast as my wife changes her mind on what she wants for Christmas. __________________ Couch to ??k - From the couch to a Marathon in roughly 18 months.

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