OT: Maybe there is hope for this crazy planet after all

[HornedFrog Purple]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3852964/

The Associated Press
Updated: 8:16 a.m. ET Jan. 06, 2004

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - India and Pakistan took a giant leap to put more than a half-century of bloodshed behind them, agreeing Tuesday to start talks next month on core disputes of nationalism and religion that have taken the nuclear-armed nations into three wars.

The talks will touch on all topics, including the flashpoint issue of Kashmir, foreign ministers from both countries said in a joint statement.

“There are no winners or losers,” Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf said later. “I think victory is for the world — for all those peace-loving people of the world. Victory is for all the people of India and Pakistan.”

Musharraf credited the deal to the “vision” and statesmanship of Indian Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee. He said the two men sealed the agreement early Tuesday in a phone call following their historic face-to-face meeting a day earlier.

The surprise agreement followed two days of talks under the cover of a major South Asian regional summit that provided the impetus for Vajpayee’s visit to the Pakistani capital, Islamabad.

Indian Foreign Minister Yashwant Sinha said details, including the location of the talks and the level at which they will be held, were still to be worked out, but that the negotiations would be ongoing and comprehensive.

He expressed optimism the talks would lead to a lasting peace agreement, including on the issue of Kashmir. The Himalayan region is divided between the two countries, but claimed by both in its entirety. The dispute has claimed at least 65,000 lives since 1989.

“The two leaders are confident that the resumption of the composite dialogue will lead to the peaceful settlement of all bilateral issues, including Jammu and Kashmir, to the satisfaction of both sides,” Sinha said, reading from the joint declaration.

Eight issues
A high-ranking Indian officials said on condition of anonymity that the talks would revolve around eight points, including Kashmir and two other territorial spats, fighting terrorism, trade and confidence building measures.

The meetings between Vajpayee, Musharraf and Pakistani Prime Minister Zafarullah Khan Jamali on Sunday and Monday were the first between Indian and Pakistani leaders in more than two years, and they occurred in an atmosphere of optimism after months of tit-for-tat steps to improve relations.

The two countries have called a cease-fire between their troops faced off in the mountain region of Kashmir, resumed high-level diplomatic ties and restored transportation links.

But there had been no indication such a breakthrough was possible, and both sides had sought to dampen any expectations ahead of the South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation summit, which concluded Tuesday. Before leaving for Islamabad, the 79-year-old Vajpayee said that discussion of bilateral issues had no place at the summit.

The Indian leader flew home Tuesday over a South Asian landscape that has undergone a sea change. He made no comment on the agreement before boarding his plane at Islamabad’s airport.

The summit wrapped up Tuesday after the leaders and foreign ministers of India, Pakistan, Bhutan, Nepal, the Maldives, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh signed agreements to fight terrorism, improve the lot of hundreds of millions of their poor people, and create a free trade zone area by 2006.

Assassination attempts
The deal came on the heels of two assassination attempts against Musharraf in December, at least one of which was believed to be carried out by militants of Jaish-e-Mohammed, an Islamic militant group involved in the Kashmir fighting.

Musharraf, 60, has earned the wrath of militant groups since he backed the U.S.-led war to oust the hardline Taliban in Afghanistan, and began a crackdown at home.

To push the dialogue forward, Vajpayee demanded that any Pakistani connection to violence and terrorism in Kashmir must stop, Sinha said. Musharraf assured him that he would not permit territory under Pakistan’s control to be used to support terrorism.

India has long maintained that Islamabad has given support to a slew of Islamic militant groups fighting against its control of part of Kashmir. Pakistan has denied claims it harbors the militants, saying its support is strictly political and diplomatic.

The South Asian giants fought wars in 1948, 1965 and 1971 and have engaged in many more deadly skirmishes. More than 1 million people are believed to have died during the 1947 partition of India and Pakistan after the subcontinent gained independence from Britain.

Tens of millions of Muslims migrated to the newly created Islamic Republic of Pakistan, while an equal number of Hindus left their belongings to migrate to predominantly Hindu India.

The main cause of their continued dispute is Kashmir, a predominantly Muslim region whose Hindu leader chose to become part of India. Pakistan has been demanding a referendum on the fate of the region ever since.

On the world scale, this is big big news. I hope something positive comes out of it.

[WSUCougar]

On the world scale, this is big big news.

Yes, it sure is. This one has always worried the hell out of me, even moreso than other international hot-spots due to the obvious nuclear element.

Let's hope something positive does indeed come from this.

[albionmoonlight]

The proof will be in the pudding, but if these two can actually create a peace that works, it may serve as some inspiration for the Middle East.

[albionmoonlight]

dola--

of course, this headline is below the "What was Britney thinking?" headline on cnn.com . . .

[Fritz]

From a purely American point of view, this may be bad news.

[rkmsuf]

Originally posted by Fritz
From a purely American point of view, this may be bad news.

I think we will recover from Britney's marriage...

[QuikSand]

Simply put, Pakistan cannot afford to continue spending so much on defense... their hand is pretty much forced here. Musharraf is being politic, but his objcetive is clearly a sort of "peace dividend."

[albionmoonlight]

Originally posted by Fritz
From a purely American point of view, this may be bad news.

How so?