Draft order question

[stevew]

In the wigfl my team managed to make the playoffs with a 7-8-1 record(AFC North baby)....the question is, I have the 15-16th best record in the league. But it appears that I will be drafting about 24-25(Its before the superbowl). Isnt this wrong? Or is it cause i have a high playoff seed, I get a low draft position? Anyone have any knowledge on this subject?

[kcchief19]

I'd have to fire up FOF at the right time to be sure, but I believe the draft seeding does not reset until after the season is over -- that is, the order you see is based on last year's draft.

[stevew]

I just got the same results....8-8 team picking 25th when they have a record that should make them pick 22. Is this correct. In RL this year, Balt won the AFC North with a 10-6 record, but it has them picking 21, whereas FOF would have them 25th automatically. I think this is a bug.

[cthomer5000]

My guess is that FOF organizes the draft strictly on order of finish (when you get knocked out of the playoffs), etc.

In real life, unless you are in the superbowl, you draft within your group (if you're 10-6, you draft at the end of the 10-6 teams). It's a little tough to explain. For instance, if Carolina loses tomorrow, they will draft at #26. If they win, the will draft at #31 or #32, depending on the super bowl.

[cthomer5000]

dola, CNNSI has a tiny explanation on what I'm talking about at the bottom of this page:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...der/index.html

[stevew]

So would you agree, by me drafting 25th, in effect the game is wrong? The playoffs havent been completed yet, but according to my understanding of the rules, I can only draft 15th(between the 7-9 teams and 8-8 teams) 31, or 32? Isnt this a bug?

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by stevew

So would you agree, by me drafting 25th, in effect the game is wrong? The playoffs havent been completed yet, but according to my understanding of the rules, I can only draft 15th(between the 7-9 teams and 8-8 teams) 31, or 32? Isnt this a bug?

all of your above thoughts are correct.

I would wait to see what the draft order is the next year before jumping to conclusions though. I don't know if anyone's really been paying close attention to the draft order, as it usually isn't as obvious to spot as when a 7-8-1 team is in the playoffs.

so, assuming you don't make the super bowl, let us know what draft slot you end up in.

[stevew]

I believe our commish cloned the league files and simmed ahead enough to get the draft order(so that we could see who has the top pick cause three teams tied with worst record). Dang....this sucks

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by stevew

So would you agree, by me drafting 25th, in effect the game is wrong? The playoffs havent been completed yet, but according to my understanding of the rules, I can only draft 15th(between the 7-9 teams and 8-8 teams) 31, or 32? Isnt this a bug?

No, not if you make the playoffs. Teams that don't make the playoffs pick 1-20 based on record, teams that lose in the first round of playoffs pick 21-24 based on record, teams that lose in the 2nd round draft 25-28, etc.

If you need an example of this just see how the draft order for teams that don't make the playoffs comes out after the regular season ends.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by mckerney

No, not if you make the playoffs. Teams that don't make the playoffs pick 1-20 based on record, teams that lose in the first round of playoffs pick 21-24 based on record, teams that lose in the 2nd round draft 25-28, etc.

If you need an example of this just see how the draft order for teams that don't make the playoffs comes out after the regular season ends.

Yes, but usually the teams making the playoffs have better records than the teams on the outside. I think this is a unique situation to the 4 division format. Im reading these rules....

Draft-order ties are resolved by the cumulative record of each team's opponents. The team with the weaker opponents receives drafting priority.

Within a tied segment, non-playoff clubs are given priority over playoff clubs. Priority of playoff clubs within a tied segment will be based on their advancement in the playoffs, but they will not drop out of their tied segment unless they participate in the Super Bowl. The Super Bowl champion will select 32nd and the runner-up 31st.

and also this

Order of Selection
• The team with the lowest winning percentage at the end of the previous season drafts first in the NFL Draft.
• The rest of the teams are placed in order from lowest winning percentage to the highest.
• The Super Bowl winner drafts last, even if they do not have the highest winning percentage.
• The Super Bowl loser drafts next to last.
• Strength of schedule for the previous season is the first tie-breaker for teams with the same winning percentage.
• Divisional and conference records are the next step in the tie-breaking procedure.
• As a last resort, a coin toss is used to determine the order of selection for teams with the same winning percentage.
• If a playoff and non-playoff team end the season with the same winning percentage, the non-playoff team selects before the playoff team.

This is a unique situation. But I think the game is dead wrong on it.
And i'd like an explanation from Jim or someone if Im incorrect.

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by mckerney

No, not if you make the playoffs. Teams that don't make the playoffs pick 1-20 based on record, teams that lose in the first round of playoffs pick 21-24 based on record, teams that lose in the 2nd round draft 25-28, etc.

If you need an example of this just see how the draft order for teams that don't make the playoffs comes out after the regular season ends.

I believe you are incorrect mckerney. Check out that CNNSI link. It looks like unless you make the superbowl, you are guaranteed to draft where your record would place you. It's just that in the last few years I don't recall seeing a team make the playoffs with a record worse than a non-playoff team. If that has happened recently, we can examine the draft order.

[stevew]

I cant seem to find the tech support email for Solecismic. I was wondering if anybody had it, and also wanted to bump this topic for the daytime, to see if anyone else had an opinion on my question.

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by stevew

I cant seem to find the tech support email for Solecismic. I was wondering if anybody had it, and also wanted to bump this topic for the daytime, to see if anyone else had an opinion on my question.

support
AT
solecismic
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com

[Buzzbee]

Once the first round sequence has been established, in subsequent rounds teams rotate within their won-loss grouping with the team that picked earliest in the previous round moving to the last position of the group while others move up.

I don't pay much attention to the NFL draft but I wasn't aware of this. So if I'm interpreting this correctly, the draft order will be as follows:

1st Round 
1 San Diego       4-12   .250    129-127    .504  
2 Oakland         4-12   .250    132-124    .516  
3 Arizona         4-12   .250    139-117    .543  
4 N.Y. Giants     4-12   .250    142-114    .555  

2nd Round
1 Oakland          4-12   .250    132-124    .516  
2 Arizona          4-12   .250    139-117    .543  
3 N.Y. Giants      4-12   .250    142-114    .555  
4 San Diego        4-12   .250    129-127    .504 

3rd Round
1 Arizona          4-12   .250     139-117    .543  
2 N.Y. Giants      4-12   .250     142-114    .555  
3 San Diego        4-12   .250     129-127    .504
4 Oakland          4-12   .250     132-124    .516   

4th Round
1 N.Y. Giants      4-12   .250      142-114    .555  
2 San Diego        4-12   .250      129-127    .504
3 Oakland          4-12   .250      132-124    .516   
4 Arizona          4-12   .250      139-117    .543  
 

Is this right?

[cthomer5000]

buzzbee, that is correct.

[fantastic flying froggies]

Too bad that isn't the case in FOF...