CM 03/04: Hoping for quick advice

[Eaglesfan27]

I decided on playing a career starting at Hull, big thanks to Axxon and others who suggested they are a good team for a novice. Anyway, my team has been doing very well in the league, quickly working our way up the board, but we have been relying on Boaz Myhill in goal, a 20 year old American Keeper with some pretty good ratings. Now, the American Under 21 National team wants to call him up Can I reject their request? If I do, what are the possible (likely) ramifications?

[RPI-Fan]

Just let him get called up - he might miss a game or two over the course of the season, but it's not a big deal.

If you don't let it go, it's possible (and likely, I believe) that he'll get mad at you, and things will take a turn for the worst.

My advice: let him go up, as it won't be too big a of a problem for your team.

[Eaglesfan27]

Ahhh, ok. I thought this meant he would miss most of my season.

[SirFozzie]

Nope.

U21 and Regular international teams play 2-6 friendlies during the season, FIFA rules state that players must be made available to their international sides 72 hours before a game (IIRC) and all major international tournies are during the offseason. Just watch out for qualifiers, sometimes they can be a pain in the ass.

[BreizhManu]

Only bad thing is the olympics, your player can be gone for a full month, else let him go.

[Eaglesfan27]

At least in the early going, I'm more immersed in this game then any other text sim, period. As is probably obvious by some of my questions on this board, I know VERY little about soccer, but I'm learning and this game is making me want to learn a lot more. The player interactions are just fascinating. I have a fairly promising 21 year old striker Burgess, but he is getting hit hard by the numbers game as Elliott, Allsopp, and Forrester are playing brilliantly ahead of him and are rotating in my two striker positions. Now, Burgess seems to be getting depressed and he is questioning his role on the team. I have to decide what to do about this? Do I move him up from the reserve team and sit a more talented guy (or at least a guy who appears more talented at the current time?) Do I loan him to another team so he can see first team action? What if he takes that as a sign that I don't want him? So many questions, so many decisions. Simply a great game!

[Eaglesfan27]

Dola -

Now that I've simmed ahead, Burgess spouted off in the media about his unhappiness with lack of first team football. How do I respond? Lots of options...

[Blade6119]

id say tell him he will play when the time is right..you shouldnt promise him first tam ball since hes not good enough...if he keeps going to the media eventually your local ewspaper will take a poll on it from the fans, and i usually take the results of that poll pretty seriously(since if the fans are happy your job is safe)...i love seeing it 100%-0% in the poll saying he should not play...they shut up pretty quick about the topic after that...

[Eaglesfan27]

I did tell him that he will play when the time is right. There is no way I was going to promise him first team ball, as Forrester had 3 goals in my last game, and Elliott had 2 in the game before that. I'm having a hard enough time rotating Allsopp into the game, and I want to keep him sharp because he usually does well when he gets the playing time and he has 2 goals on the season. It will be interesting to see how this plays out That is very cool with the fans voting.

[Eaglesfan27]

Dola -

Just moved onto the next day, where Burgess publicly apologized for criticizing my managerial moves and he said he realizes complaining isn't going to increase his chance at getting selected for first team action I guess I handled this crisis the right way, at least for now.

[Desnudo]

You can choose to ignore the message, meaning not replying to it. That's how I usually deal with it since there isn't a "you're no good, but no one will take your contract." option.

[Marc Vaughan]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

I decided on playing a career starting at Hull, big thanks to Axxon and others who suggested they are a good team for a novice. Anyway, my team has been doing very well in the league, quickly working our way up the board, but we have been relying on Boaz Myhill in goal, a 20 year old American Keeper with some pretty good ratings. Now, the American Under 21 National team wants to call him up Can I reject their request? If I do, what are the possible (likely) ramifications?

If you decide to dissuade a player from playing in an International match then it can upset him, it also means that he'll avoid some exposure (if a player does well in international matches then it'll generally increase his reputation and often his 'value' in the football world, this can also attract unwanted (generally) interest in him from other clubs).

You also have to weigh up the risks of the player getting injured or indeed just tired from playing in such matches .... decisions decisions

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan

If you decide to dissuade a player from playing in an International match then it can upset him, it also means that he'll avoid some exposure (if a player does well in international matches then it'll generally increase his reputation and often his 'value' in the football world, this can also attract unwanted (generally) interest in him from other clubs).

You also have to weigh up the risks of the player getting injured or indeed just tired from playing in such matches .... decisions decisions

I always let them play. It's enjoyable to check in and see how they did on the scoresheet and I like watching the caps rise. I especially like it if they displace someone very famous. I only wish we could see data on schoolboy and U-21 caps *cough*.

[Eaglesfan27]

I'm very happy I leat Boaz play. He had a shutout in his first game for the U21 North American Team. Of course, they only let up 1 shot on goal Freddie Adu provided a goal for the team and led them to victory.

Now, I have another decision that is hard to make: Three teams from the first division in England all made offers on one of my young reserve forwards - Russell Fry. His ratings are decent, but not spectacular, but he is only 17. One of the teams is offering 40,000 cash plus a pretty good looking player (from what I can tell with attribute masking) Robert Eagle an 18 year old right defender. The other two teams are only offering cash (50,000 and 40,000), but this Eagle plus cash deal is tempting. Again, I worry that if I keep him on my team, he might be mad that he isn't getting 1st team ball and that I blocked him from going to a more prestigious team.

[Blade6119]

how did you get adu and boaz in your game by the way?

[ice4277]

Is he happy to be on your team right now? I currently have that happening with a player in my Barnsley game; he never got too many games in seasons before I took over, but I gave him a role in my system and he is flourishing for the first time, at age 26. I probably get about an offer a week for him from First Division teams; the money they offer isn't bad but, the fans and other players love him (as do I for that matter). I've turned down probably fifteen offers for him, but it doesn't phase him, he still loves playing for the club. So basically, I think a lot boils down to the personality of the player, and his role. If it was a guy who wasn't getting much time in the lineup, I would think he would be more upset than a guy who is adored by just about everybody.

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

how did you get adu and boaz in your game by the way?

They were included in the CMsorted update I imagine.. It's the only thing I added besides the official patches, superpack, and facepack.

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by ice4277

Is he happy to be on your team right now? I currently have that happening with a player in my Barnsley game; he never got too many games in seasons before I took over, but I gave him a role in my system and he is flourishing for the first time, at age 26. I probably get about an offer a week for him from First Division teams; the money they offer isn't bad but, the fans and other players love him (as do I for that matter). I've turned down probably fifteen offers for him, but it doesn't phase him, he still loves playing for the club. So basically, I think a lot boils down to the personality of the player, and his role. If it was a guy who wasn't getting much time in the lineup, I would think he would be more upset than a guy who is adored by just about everybody.

I hardly ever use him, but he is happy to be on my team at the moment. He is not good enough to see first team action for me currently. My main concern is that he will blossom into a star after I send him away. He is getting a lot of action in my reserve system, and is getting mostly 7's for form in those games.

[Axxon]

In my experiences Fry does become a pretty good player after he gets some playing time. Since you have so few options options up front I'm sure he'll get boatloads of playing time with your Hull squad.

If you want, sell him. At the very least loan him. I took 40k for him this game. I just won't be able to do him justice. BTW, he now is sitting on the Blackburn bench and has no appearances. Not the reserves or the under 19's but sitting on the bench. That's going to help him a lot.

[Eaglesfan27]

In my game, Forrester just scored his 100th career league goal and it got me wondering: Who has the most goals in his career during division III play in England. Who has the most career goals worldwide? (Remember my knowledge of soccer is VERY limited) In any case, I was wondering if anyone here has a good site that they would recommend for historical scoring leader data? Also, is there any file that could have been imported into my career to have this data? It seems the game is keeping division III records, but except for past winners of the league, all of the historical scoring records within the game seems to only reflect time since I've started simming my league.

[Eaglesfan27]

I'm currently playing in the Vans Trophy Silver North I believe, and I just beat Sheffield Wednesday 2-1 in extra time. It says I won secondary to the Silver Goal rule, and I was wondering if someone could help me understand what that rule is?

[klayman]

Silver Goal = Team that is ahead at the break in the extra time wins the match. With no Silver Goal rule, the other team would still have the last half of extra time to try to equalize.

[SirFozzie]

Ok. All these suppose that the game is tied at the end of regular time (the 90 minutes)

Golden Goal: Two 15-minute halves. Teams switch ends at halftime (with like 60 seconds break). Sudden Death. Next goal wins. If the game is still tied at the end of the 30 minute extra time period, penalty kicks decides a winner.

Silver Goal: Same, two 15-minute halves, with teams switching ends at halftime. However, it's not sudden death, if one team is leading at the end of a half, they win. (so if you score in the first minute, you have to keep the lead for fourteen more minutes). If still tied after the thirty minutes, off to penalty kicks as usual.

Silver Goal was an expiriment that didn't quite pan out, and I believe FIFA's going back to Golden Goal as of Euro 2004

[ice4277]

Actually, they are going back to pre-Golden Goal rules. Two fifteen minute extra halves will be played in their entirety, regardless of goals scored. I remember that it was like this in World Cup '94; that may have been the last major tournament before the Golden Goal was brought in.

[Eaglesfan27]

Ok, I have another quick question I'm hoping someone can answer for me. I just accepted a deal from a division I club for one of my players. However, the deal hasn't been completed yet as I'm still negotiating with his player and he is negotiating with my player.

Now, a day later, another Division I club offered me a seemingly better deal. A little more cash and possibly a better player. Is it even possible to "accept" the second offer since I accepted the first one allowing negotiation? Also, if I did accept the second offer, would it hurt my reputation, professionalism, or any other such factors?

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

I decided on playing a career starting at Hull, big thanks to Axxon and others who suggested they are a good team for a novice. Anyway, my team has been doing very well in the league, quickly working our way up the board, but we have been relying on Boaz Myhill in goal, a 20 year old American Keeper with some pretty good ratings. Now, the American Under 21 National team wants to call him up Can I reject their request? If I do, what are the possible (likely) ramifications?

Following Mark Cuban's thoughts about national team play, are we?

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by mckerney

Following Mark Cuban's thoughts about national team play, are we?

LOL Actually, I let him play and he did very well but he came back unhappy. I think he got homesick

However, he is finally over it and morale is no longer poor.

[Eaglesfan27]

Dola - Now I just need to decide if I'm going to pull a SF, and try to get a better deal for Fry

[ice4277]

You can accept as many offers as you want, however, it is then up to the player to decide what team he wants to go to. If you really want to get more cash, you can withdraw the offer from the first team. However, I think doing so (at least repeatedly) may give your ratings a hit.

[Eaglesfan27]

Hopefully someone will see a new question I have with this thread bump:

Axxon was explaining Bosman rules to me, and my understanding was that any player who had less then 6 months left on his contract could be approached to offer him a deal, without having to pay a transfer fee to the team.

However, there are a couple of young promising players I have been following whom I want to sign under these conditions and it says in one case that I have to compensate the owning club 190,000 dollars and in the other case 250,000 dollars. Are there certain players who you can approach with no compensation needing to be offered to their home club in the last 6 months of their contract, and what factors determine if you have to compensate the home club or not?

[SirFozzie]

I believe U21 or U23 players can be signed on Bosman style transfers, but the signing team will have to pay a fee determined by a tribunal. U17 players (on so called "youth contracts" can also be poached at any time, but I think it's based on their pay/value

[SirFozzie]

dola: Checked to be sure:

It's players Under the age of 24 (this is a fee to compensate the prior team for training the player)

A CM "Cheat" that doesn't work all the time, but can save mucho money is signing a U24 player on a Bosman, with the fee, but the day before the transfer is to happen, cancel it, the player then will likely be free transferred (released) by his old team, and you can sign the player without a fee.

[Eaglesfan27]

Thank you Sir Fozzie. That helps make it much clearer.