Wow - How about the Manning boos? (and draft commentary)

[NoMyths]

Every time someone mentions any Manning on the draft show, everyone in the room boos like hell. Crazy, man...and funny.

[ISiddiqui]

Yep, Archie and Eli have made Eli VERY unpopular... even among the Giants fans.

[Young Drachma]

They ALWAYS boo. I think they'll get over it, once he gets there and starts playing.

[NoMyths]

Don't forget the "well" part, Dark Cloud.

[Young Drachma]

hehe..true, true. I guess I'm banking on the pedigree.

[cthomer5000]

that was among the most uncomfortable interviews I've ever seen.

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by cthomer5000

that was among the most uncomfortable interviews I've ever seen.

I agree. I bet Eli feels like an ass. To have one of the most prestigious honors in sports (being the #1 draft pick), to now turn sour becuase Daddy had to open his mouth. I hope he goes 2nd.


Todd

[CraigSca]

According to the interview on WFAN yesterday, it was Eli's and his manager's decision to let the Chargers know that he didn't wish to play there.

In light of the Tillman death, it makes Manning look like an even bigger jerk.

[ISiddiqui]

WOW... they took Eli... HAHAHA

[MizzouRah]

Wow, how wierd was that?

[LionsFan10]

Listen to the Eli sucks chants while he's holding the jersey, lol. I love the NFL.

[ISiddiqui]

Especially the "Eli Sucks" chants. No one likes him.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by CraigSca

In light of the Tillman death, it makes Manning look like an even bigger jerk.

How does Tillman have any effect on Eli? Totally unrelated.

It will be funny when Eli gets traded to the Giants tho.

[RendeR]

Wow, I love how the facts have no bearing on anyone's opinion here.

Archie manning wasn't even involved in this until Tagliabue called him and asked him to step in.

Yes Eli doesn't want to go to San Diego, if I were him, I'd say the same thing, I don't want to waste my career and health on a team that shows no signs of having any interest in competing in the NFL.

Everyone has said that the Chargers letting this whole thing out in public made the single stupidest mistake in NFL draft history. They lost all leaverage for trades and with their fans. The Chargers destroyed this situation, they did it to themselves.

Call Eli whatever you want, I don't fault him for wanting to have a better future than what san diego could ever offer him.

I hope he demands 3x what any other first rounder would get and sits out if they don't pay it. The fans at the draft are a pack of assinine jackals, talk about showing no class at all. wow.

[CraigSca]

The thinking is, and I don't think it's that great of a stretch...selfishness vs. selflessness. I'm not saying that I personally would "boo" Manning, but it's pretty obvious that's what the audience at the draft is thinking. Basically, in-between "boo"s for Manning you have chants of "USA! USA!". I don't think it's a stretch at all to come to the conclusion it's one of the reasons the audience is giving Manning a hard time.

[Chubby]

RendeR - I agree. This is the only time in the nest 7 or so years that Eli will have any say to where he plays. I don't have a problem with him saying "I don't want to play in X" if that's what he feels.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by CraigSca

The thinking is, and I don't think it's that great of a stretch...selfishness vs. selflessness. I'm not saying that I personally would "boo" Manning, but it's pretty obvious that's what the audience at the draft is thinking. Basically, in-between "boo"s for Manning you have chants of "USA! USA!". I don't think it's a stretch at all to come to the conclusion it's one of the reasons the audience is giving Manning a hard time.

I think it is a stretch. A BIG stretch. Hey, you want to try and link the 2 go bonkers but you are on some thin ice. I think the fans are paying respect to Tillman (rightfully so), I think they're booing Eli for being difficult in this, and I think the fans there boo everyone

Tillman has nothing to do with why they are booing Eli.

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by Chubby

RendeR - I agree. This is the only time in the nest 7 or so years that Eli will have any say to where he plays. I don't have a problem with him saying "I don't want to play in X" if that's what he feels.

I feel the same. Aside from the weather - San Diego is an absolute disaster.

[NoMyths]

What a scene. There's a clip you'll see in about every draft show from here foreward.

[Chubby]

I'm impressed that the Raiders actually took Gallery. I thought for sure Al would take a WR.

[ISiddiqui]

Yes Eli doesn't want to go to San Diego, if I were him, I'd say the same thing, I don't want to waste my career and health on a team that shows no signs of having any interest in competing in the NFL.

You mean like the Indianpolis Colts when Peyton Manning was drafted?

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

You mean like the Indianpolis Colts when Peyton Manning was drafted?

Not true, and Berman talked about this. The Colts had Marvin, a new GM in Polian (who led the Bills) and Mora who had turned around NO. What does SD have? A coach who might get canned after this year? They have a RB (LT) that's it.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

You mean like the Indianpolis Colts when Peyton Manning was drafted?

There is a huge difference between the bad colts team that took peyton and the train wreck that is the current san diego chargers.


The colts already had a star reciever, a quality RB and a top 20 defense at the time.


San Diego has LaDanian Tomlinson, and nothing more.


HUGE difference.

San Diego is the worst franchise in football top to bottom right now.

[Chubby]

HAHAHA Great commercial (NFL draft day hat)

[NoMyths]

Heh...and how about that commercial for draft hats? A truly assclownish performance by Manning.

[ISiddiqui]

And a team that went 8-8 in 2002 (San Diego).

[ISiddiqui]

San Diego is the worst franchise in football top to bottom right now.

And two years ago, we were saying that about the Bengals, and how Marvin Lewis may have been making a mistake.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

And a team that went 8-8 in 2002 (San Diego).

your point being? That somehow doesn't make them the joke of a franchise that they are? Who is left from that team? Ok then.

[Thomkal]

:::gets ready to throw a diet vanilla coke can at the screen when they announce the Cards pick:::

[ISiddiqui]

That somehow doesn't make them the joke of a franchise that they are?

How are they more of a 'joke' than the Bengals a few years back? Indy in the mid 90s? You are acting like this is a new level of joke, which is totally not true at all.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

:::gets ready to throw a diet vanilla coke can at the screen when they announce the Cards pick:::

Make it diet vanilla pepsi. The choice of Transexuals everywhere.TM

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

How are they more of a 'joke' than the Bengals a few years back? Indy in the mid 90s? You are acting like this is a new level of joke, which is totally not true at all.

They're not more of a joke but you brought up Peyton and the situations THERE ARE different.

[ISiddiqui]

They're not more of a joke but you brought up Peyton and the situations THERE ARE different.

Only barely. They hired a new GM and coach... big deal. They were still a joke. If SD had the #1 pick that year and Indy had #3 (and moved up to #2), it would be SD in the playoffs last year, and Indy in the bottom 5.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Only barely. They hired a new GM and coach... big deal. They were still a joke. If SD had the #1 pick that year and Indy had #3 (and moved up to #2), it would be SD in the playoffs last year, and Indy in the bottom 5.

Indy had potential, they had an ok RB, a top WR (Harrison), a decent O, and a new proven GM.

You are trying to equate the Colts that picked Peyton to the Chargers that picked Eli. NOT the same situations, you don't want to see it that's fine. You must have missed Berman's anylsis or you just choose to ignroe it, w/e.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

And two years ago, we were saying that about the Bengals, and how Marvin Lewis may have been making a mistake.

Thats true, but what is San Diego doing right NOW to show any signs of making intelligent decisions?

I'm not saying that this isn't at least a little selfish on Mannig's part, but looking at that mess in SD I completely understand why he would refuse to go there, that team is a dozen good players and probably half a decade away from be competitive in this league.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Only barely. They hired a new GM and coach... big deal. They were still a joke. If SD had the #1 pick that year and Indy had #3 (and moved up to #2), it would be SD in the playoffs last year, and Indy in the bottom 5.

You're ignoring the fact that San Diego has NO TEAM, they have no talent beyond Tomlinson, nothing. That Colts team already had the other pieces in place and needed very little beyond Peyton to bring them up to speed.

[RendeR]

DOla:

there was also some interesting information brought up yesterday:

The Chargers have made the Playoffs 4 times in the last TWENTY years. And haven't hada winning season since 1995. Now you couple that history, with the status of the team right now, and quite frankly, I think Manning is only being smart. He can't take that much traash onto his shoulders and do much with it.

[Chubby]

Rivers goes 4th

Damnit, I have #1 and #2 right, and flipflopped 3-4 so far...

[RendeR]

Anyone else wonder if Winslow will drop a few spots lower due to his assinine attitude? That guys a head case....

[ISiddiqui]

You're ignoring the fact that San Diego has NO TEAM, they have no talent beyond Tomlinson, nothing. That Colts team already had the other pieces in place and needed very little beyond Peyton to bring them up to speed.

Is that why the Colts finished 3-13 the year before? A team that 'has the pieces in place' doesn't finish last in the NFL.

Now the main question is what was the MAIN difference between the 8-8 team of 2002 and the 4-12 one last year? The reason is because Brees suffered a huge sophmore slump. Everything else was basically the same.

[ISiddiqui]

Anyone else wonder if Winslow will drop a few spots lower due to his assinine attitude?

I wondered if his "I'm a soldier" statement will hurt him because of Tillman.

[DeToxRox]

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[Chubby]

Winslow will go at #5, Gibbs loves him...

[The Afoci]

ESPN is reporting that the Giants backed out on a last minute deal that Cleveland was looking to trade up for Taylor.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Is that why the Colts finished 3-13 the year before? A team that 'has the pieces in place' doesn't finish last in the NFL.

Now the main question is what was the MAIN difference between the 8-8 team of 2002 and the 4-12 one last year? The reason is because Brees suffered a huge sophmore slump. Everything else was basically the same.

Will you look beyond the records? The Mannings saw promise in Ind (and rightfully so) while they don't in SD and I agree with them. Big deal SD went 8-8 and over-acheived they still have nothing besides Tomlinson.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by The Afoci

ESPN is reporting that the Giants backed out on a last minute deal that Cleveland was looking to trade up for Taylor.

I'm not surprised as Mort was mumbling Cleveland as Tags was going up to the podium.

[The Afoci]

Originally Posted by Chubby

I'm not surprised as Mort was mumbling Cleveland as Tags was going up to the podium.

What I don't get is couldn't they have traded down about 4 or 5 picks and still got Rivers? Doesn't really make any sense to me.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by The Afoci

What I don't get is couldn't they have traded down about 4 or 5 picks and still got Rivers? Doesn't really make any sense to me.

They will trade Rivers + something for Eli.

[ISiddiqui]

Big deal SD went 8-8 and over-acheived they still have nothing besides Tomlinson.

What, so Indy had Faulk, a coach who had a proven past and a new GM? SD has Tomlinson (better than Faulk at that stage). Schott is a coach who has a proven past (who may not last, granted). You can't bring in Harrison, because at that time he wasn't a star, and no one thought he would be. The new GM is only difference I can really see.

[Chubby]

hmmmmmmmm