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Do girls ruin athletic glory? If so, why?
An unspoken fact among anyone who has played or watched sports for any length of time is the effect women have on the male psyche that makes their athletic performance tank in horrible free falls.
Why does love/lust cause a guy to lose his focus to such a degree that he becomes a shell of his former self. The most current notable is Tiger, but it has happened plenty in the past. Anyone care to name other notables this has happened to? It is just an odd fact. You should still be able to hit a golf ball straight or catch a football or strike a guy out even though you are getting nookie. It is almost like God is saying, there are two joys in this world, I forbid you to experience both at the same time.
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"i have seen chris simms play 4-5 times in the pros and he's very clearly got it. he won't make a pro bowl this year, but it'll come. if you don't like me saying that, so be it, but its true. we'll just have to wait until then" imettrentgreen "looking at only ten games, and oddly using a median only, leaves me unmoved generally" - Quiksand |
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06-18-2004, 12:58 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Cary, NC
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Sometimes priorities change. Sports may no longer be the central focus in your life once you start a family.
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06-18-2004, 01:06 PM
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Kansas City, Mo
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David Justice is a good example.. he went downhill once his woman troubles started..
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06-18-2004, 01:06 PM
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Pro Starter
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There have been several instances of superstar athletes suddenly tanking their entire careers because of a bad divorce, a bad breakup, or just family problems in general.
The first one that comes to mind for me is Mark Wohlers.
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06-18-2004, 01:07 PM
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Senator,
The "nookie" part is rubbish. Who were the guys getting the most "nookie" in your high school? In mine it was the jocks. They get nookie just about anytime they want it. Groupies will do that for you. It's the other commitments that get them. Instead of spending an extra hour watching film or working on their putting, they spend that hour having dinner with their wife or watching their kids play soccer. It seems to be the guys who married "late" that seem to have this issue the most. Jack Nicklaus, Arnie Palmer, John Elway, etc. . . didn't seem to be too impacted by marriage issues. During "The Fall of Tiger," we've seen "The Rise of Lefty." If ANY single player in sports should see his play fall off from getting too much work in the bedroom, it's lefty. Try a lack of Butch Harmon, a change in equipment and knee surgery as more of Tiger's problem than his Swedish fiance. Last edited by TroyF : 06-18-2004 at 01:09 PM. |
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06-18-2004, 01:08 PM
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College Benchwarmer
Join Date: Oct 2000
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Jeff Gordon?
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06-18-2004, 01:11 PM
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Troy - you are right. In high school all us guys were having a nice run at the best girls in school. But then our RB fell in love with "one" of them, and his performance just bottomed out. He was the same guy, in shape, knew his holes, has natural talent to spare, but suddenly the guy couldn't get 3 yards if you spotted him 2 1/2. There is just something psychological going on with it all. Someone needs to write their thesis on it.
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"i have seen chris simms play 4-5 times in the pros and he's very clearly got it. he won't make a pro bowl this year, but it'll come. if you don't like me saying that, so be it, but its true. we'll just have to wait until then" imettrentgreen "looking at only ten games, and oddly using a median only, leaves me unmoved generally" - Quiksand Last edited by Senator : 06-18-2004 at 01:12 PM. |
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06-18-2004, 01:22 PM
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I think Mick told Rocky Balboa in Rocky "Women make the legs weak." He might've won in Rocky had he not boned down with Adrienne. But then, had he won against Apollo Creed, there probably wouldn't have been a Rocky II.
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06-18-2004, 01:23 PM
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Dola,
I thought this topic was about the crappiness of women in sports. I read some chick's rant about respect for women in the WNBA in TSN last week and laughed my ass off. |
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06-18-2004, 01:34 PM
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As mentioned by TroyF, Tiger's decline is due to not having Butch Harmon as his swing coach. It has nothing to do with his woman because she was around when he won those 4 majors in a row.
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06-18-2004, 01:38 PM
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Troy is right, almost every pro that talks about it, has said, Tiger has changed his swing. He was with her with the 4 majors.
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06-18-2004, 01:39 PM
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FOFC's Elected Representative
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So the consensus is this is a myth?
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"i have seen chris simms play 4-5 times in the pros and he's very clearly got it. he won't make a pro bowl this year, but it'll come. if you don't like me saying that, so be it, but its true. we'll just have to wait until then" imettrentgreen "looking at only ten games, and oddly using a median only, leaves me unmoved generally" - Quiksand |
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06-18-2004, 01:41 PM
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For Tiger yes, for others no. It's all depends on how strong they are mentally. Tiger is up there mentally, when you change you swing, it takes a while to get it back.
I know guys that were just fine, I know others, that the girl ruined their career or potential career.
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06-18-2004, 01:44 PM
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Nomar is hitting .320. It's a myth. 
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06-18-2004, 01:47 PM
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Nomar got hurt too.. probably due to lack of outside the bedroom conditioning
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06-18-2004, 01:54 PM
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The night after the TCU-Houston game that I buried a Heisman Trophy candidate named Andre Ware (he eventually won), I tried to express my elation to my soon to be wife.
It was at the pinnacle of my career, I thought I was going places... it was even on TV, I still have the videotape... All I could get was "That's nice dear". It's no myth.
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06-18-2004, 01:58 PM
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I think it all depends on the person Senator. Your star RB fell in love and then stopped playing well. With about a 99% certainty, you can say that his focus changed. It wasn't on football anymore, but his sweetheart. For others, you might see a less noticeable drop off. For most guys though, I think they pretty much hold form to what they are. For every guy you give me that has clearly changed due to a women being in the picture, I can give you an example of a happily married guy performing to his peak abilities. How do you explain them? |
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06-18-2004, 02:00 PM
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How about that pirates player who after the birth of his child went on a rampage for a week? thats a good example.. kinda
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06-18-2004, 02:20 PM
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This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off.
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Once they ruined the Beatles, I figured there's no end to what they could ruin.
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06-18-2004, 02:28 PM
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Fooling around didn't hurt Wade Boggs until he got caught.
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06-18-2004, 02:38 PM
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Over 90% of the time, it's a myth aided by coincidences and selective vision. I refuse to believe most athletes are affected on the field by getting a girlfriend, or getting married, or scoring with an extra groupie a week. Large changes - a messy divorce, a tragic accident, cancer diagnosis, what have you - that's another story entirely. |
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06-18-2004, 02:42 PM
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on the other hand...
Melvin Mora...maybe a .250 career BA. has quintuplits, presumably ending his sex life completely for the next 6 or 7 years. batted .317 last year and is at .354 now...
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06-18-2004, 02:43 PM
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06-18-2004, 03:01 PM
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Crappy NFL QB but a pretty damn good college QB. And wasn't Klingler the next season at U of H? SI
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06-18-2004, 03:03 PM
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Oh, and another one. Didn't Andre Agassi have the same thing happen to him? He was #1 in the world and then fell to 150 or something because of girl trouble.
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06-18-2004, 03:39 PM
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Noone has mentioned Roy Hobbes? Oh wait, maybe that perpetuates the myth?
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06-18-2004, 04:22 PM
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He married Brooke Sheilds and his game tanked. He divorced her and went back up to #1. And in Rocky, the line was "Women weaken legs." Last edited by sabotai : 06-18-2004 at 05:42 PM. |
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06-18-2004, 04:49 PM
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My bad on the Rocky line.
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06-18-2004, 05:10 PM
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Jeff Gordon is gay, there is nothing wrong with this, it is simply a statement of opinion. As is this: His marriage was a complete sham to cover this fact. This on the other hand is pretty solid fact: He went in the tank because the real talent in his camp was Ray Evrenham, the Crew Chief. |
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06-18-2004, 05:13 PM
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I dunno about all that.. Derrick Thomas fathered 7 children with different women.. and look where he is now.. err wait.. maybe that really is a bad example
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06-18-2004, 05:30 PM
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Pete Sampras
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06-18-2004, 05:43 PM
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Nah, not Pete Sampras. He just got old.
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06-18-2004, 05:58 PM
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Eric Lindross......err...wait...that was his mother
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06-18-2004, 09:35 PM
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I don't buy this. If it were to apply to athletes it stands to reason it would apply to any profession. I think I have as much hunger and passion for what I do as before I got married, and am probably better at it now because I am much more focused and mature.
I also think Tiger's problems are due to firing his coach, not getting engaged. He was winning majors when he was dating this girl, but he didn't hit the slump until he fired the coach.
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06-18-2004, 11:49 PM
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Tiger Woods? Then again, he's better than all of about 5 players right now and even that is a stretch. Besides, I'd take a hitin talent to hit that. Jasper needs to give me the number to his nanny service.... |
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06-18-2004, 11:55 PM
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I am not so sure about this. Think of all the hotshot business guys and lawyers that put in their 18+ hour days because their committment to the job. I am not saying that there aren't some solid married guys, but I think the people moving the most are the unmarried. (And when the married try the 18+ hour days is when the married soon find themselves unmarried.) Last edited by panerd : 06-18-2004 at 11:56 PM. |
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06-19-2004, 09:12 AM
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Yeah. Neither one of them turned out very good in the pros. I was a little more surprised Klingler bombed as he had all the "tools" the scouts rave about. Andre was shorter but a little more mobile and didn't have the pure arm strength that David did. In retrospect it looks like their hype was a system embellishment, but those two guys could wing it all over a college football field.
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