Why do the Phillies suck so bad

stevew · 07-31-2004, 11:07 AM

This season is getting annoying. We are now 1 game over .500, and on at least a 5 game skid. We just got swept by the Marlins for 4 games. At this point, I dont understand why Bowa isnt gone yet. His team has quit on him.

Wade goes out and gets us a couple relief arms, which is nice, but Im hoping this wont be another "Turk Wendell" type situation, where the guys that come in end up losing us the division. We have let the shitty Braves get up 4.5 games already.

Honestly, as long as Brian fucking Powell is in our rotation, we wont be going anywhere.

lynchjm24 · 07-31-2004, 11:16 AM

They don't have good enough players.

Easy Mac · 07-31-2004, 11:35 AM

Yes, a team is obviously shitty when they've won the past 12 division titles and have one of the best closers in baseball.

bbor · 07-31-2004, 11:41 AM

Replace Phillies...with Blue Jays

bbor · 07-31-2004, 11:45 AM

Dola...oh wait....the Jays were mathematically eliminated in May

Cringer · 07-31-2004, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by bbor

Replace Phillies...with Blue Jays

The replace Blue Jays......with Astros.

Philliesfan980 · 07-31-2004, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

This season is getting annoying. We are now 1 game over .500, and on at least a 5 game skid. We just got swept by the Marlins for 4 games. At this point, I dont understand why Bowa isnt gone yet. His team has quit on him.

Wade goes out and gets us a couple relief arms, which is nice, but Im hoping this wont be another "Turk Wendell" type situation, where the guys that come in end up losing us the division. We have let the shitty Braves get up 4.5 games already.

Honestly, as long as Brian fucking Powell is in our rotation, we wont be going anywhere.

Well, first off, Brian Powell isn't in the rotation.

But the bottom line is the Phillies just aren't good enough. Their lineup is prone to streaks, and when they all get into a bad funk at the same time, look out, because its not going to be pretty. Way too many strikeouts in the lineup, and not enough contact guys. Watching the past 4 game series against the Marlins made me realize what a complete team the Marlins are (Against the Phillies atleast). They have guys at the top of the order who know how to get on base in Pierre and Castillo. Just watching Castillo hit was a pleasure. He was chopping down on the ball, beating it into the ground for singles. I wish Rollins would learn a thing or two from him.

As for the trades, I think this is going to end the season. Last year at the deadline, Wade added Mike Williams, who was a complete distaster for the Phillies. If you can't throw hard, you better throw strikes. I've never seen so many 83 mile an hour sliders in my life way out of the zone. I suspect the same thing will happen with Todd Jones, who's career has been terrible over the last few years, but is having an average year this year. Felix Rod. is nice, but Ledee's left handed bat off the bench and centerfielder play might be more valuable.

Now instead of getting a CF via trade, they bring up Marlin Byrd, who they demoted 2 months ago. He's currently hitting .240 in triple A. Now explain that one to me.

EagleFan · 07-31-2004, 01:02 PM

BOWA MUST GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He's a freaking cartoon character out there. His idiotic tantrums when getting thrown out of a game are pathetic to watch. He has lost the team, take him out of the equation.

stevew · 07-31-2004, 01:13 PM

Err, I mean Paul Abbott, not Brian Powell. Same difference. He sucks.
Remember when Myers was considered an ace in training? That seems like a long time ago.

tucker rocky · 07-31-2004, 01:14 PM

The Phillies need top notch pitching to counteract the slumps that the Phillies hitters are prone to.

Would a Steve Finley addition be viable?
Maybe the Phillies should go after some more decent prospects.
A catcher upgrade would be nice, 2b also. Players that can steal and play to Bowa's style might be needed.

tucker rocky · 07-31-2004, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Err, I mean Paul Abbott, not Brian Powell. Same difference. He sucks.
Remember when Myers was considered an ace in training? That seems like a long time ago.

Yes, Abbott has got to go!

tucker rocky · 07-31-2004, 01:17 PM

Millwood also has his ups and downs.
More downs than ups.

Phils need to dump his ass after this season.

IMetTrentGreen · 07-31-2004, 01:17 PM

any team that puts paul abbot in the rotation is not the kind that will end up winning many games

tucker rocky · 07-31-2004, 01:22 PM

You would think with a line-up that has Thome, Abreu, Burrell, Bell, Liberthal, you would produce runs, and the pitching would do an adequate job.
Millwood, Padilla, Wolf, Myers, and Milton all looked like a decent to solid rotation at start of the season.
The injury bug has not been kind this season, Wagner, Thome, Bell, Padilla, Wolf, and maybe a few others.

tucker rocky · 07-31-2004, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by IMetTrentGreen

any team that puts paul abbot in the rotation is not the kind that will end up winning many games

Where did they find this chump of a pitcher? independent league?!?

tucker rocky · 07-31-2004, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

BOWA MUST GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He's a freaking cartoon character out there. His idiotic tantrums when getting thrown out of a game are pathetic to watch. He has lost the team, take him out of the equation.

Who would they get to replace Bowa? Not many quality managers left.
Oh wait, Bochy is available, yes bring him in and they will be a 1 or 2 season wonder, just like in Arizona.

FBPro · 07-31-2004, 01:34 PM

hehehe..........

tucker rocky · 07-31-2004, 01:39 PM

Watching the Phils and Cubs....Millwood!...you suck also!

FBPro · 07-31-2004, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by tucker rocky

Watching the Phils and Cubs....Millwood!...you suck also!

Go Estrada!!!!!!!!

EagleFan · 07-31-2004, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by tucker rocky

Who would they get to replace Bowa? Not many quality managers left.
Oh wait, Bochy is available, yes bring him in and they will be a 1 or 2 season wonder, just like in Arizona.

I don't care who they get, anyone could do better than that ass-clown Bowa.

tucker rocky · 07-31-2004, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

I don't care who they get, anyone could do better than that ass-clown Bowa.

Gary Varsho...Milt Thompson....Greg Gross
3b coach Vukovich is probably way overdue to lead the team.

korme · 07-31-2004, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by bbor

Replace Phillies...with Blue Jays

Replace Phillies...with Reds

tucker rocky · 07-31-2004, 02:04 PM

I'm looking at the Phillies page, and IMHO the Phils would be dumb to give up LH/1b Ryan Howard, 6-4 240 .298 37HRs 102RBI in 100 games, albeit he is still in AA ball and the majors is totally different.

stevew · 07-31-2004, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by tucker rocky

I'm looking at the Phillies page, and IMHO the Phils would be dumb to give up LH/1b Ryan Howard, 6-4 240 .298 37HRs 102RBI in 100 games, albeit he is still in AA ball and the majors is totally different.

Howard is a 1 position player, who is also 24 or 25 in AA ball. He will never play ahead of Thome. So Im not sure what we will do with him. Trading him right now when he is at the peak of his value as a prospect, could bring us a decent return.

ageofquarrel · 07-31-2004, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by tucker rocky

I'm looking at the Phillies page, and IMHO the Phils would be dumb to give up LH/1b Ryan Howard, 6-4 240 .298 37HRs 102RBI in 100 games, albeit he is still in AA ball and the majors is totally different.

Why? They already have a 1st baseman in Thome. You could probably get a decent veteran out of Howard while he still has value, and howard cant play any other position. I dont think that it is the time for the phils to look for the future. If they could get a Number 1 starter and a decent contact hitter in CF. I think they would be good enough to get to the world series.

tucker rocky · 07-31-2004, 02:15 PM

Millwood!...you big dummy!

tucker rocky · 07-31-2004, 02:17 PM

...a hard bunt into a DP.....Arrgh!

tucker rocky · 07-31-2004, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ageofquarrel

Why? They already have a 1st baseman in Thome. You could probably get a decent veteran out of Howard while he still has value, and howard cant play any other position. I dont think that it is the time for the phils to look for the future. If they could get a Number 1 starter and a decent contact hitter in CF. I think they would be good enough to get to the world series.

Phils better hurry, Finley is the only decent CF out there.

tucker rocky · 07-31-2004, 02:21 PM

Alright Bowa, lets not leave Millwood in there to much longer...

mauchow · 07-31-2004, 02:24 PM

gg so far

tucker rocky · 07-31-2004, 02:26 PM

Oh no, why is Rheal Crummier into the game....alright Rheal, lets really get a SO!

tucker rocky · 07-31-2004, 02:27 PM

good, good, out of that inning.

mauchow · 07-31-2004, 03:09 PM

1 out left..

and it lies in the hands of a phillie-killer(a new name for him)

Vince · 07-31-2004, 03:38 PM

I think you guys got a pretty good deal with Felix Rodriguez. I have no idea why the Giants are trading away one of their best bullpen arms when it looks from my standpoint that they need help in the bullpen even WITH Felix Rodruguez back there.

Ledee is going to be a nice left-handed bat to protect Bonds (Giants have sucked against RHP this season), but man has our outfield been one giant clusterfuck this year.

EDIT - Anyone know who the minor leaguer is that was reportedly sent to the Giants with Ledee?

tucker rocky · 07-31-2004, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince

I think you guys got a pretty good deal with Felix Rodriguez. I have no idea why the Giants are trading away one of their best bullpen arms when it looks from my standpoint that they need help in the bullpen even WITH Felix Rodruguez back there.

Ledee is going to be a nice left-handed bat to protect Bonds (Giants have sucked against RHP this season), but man has our outfield been one giant clusterfuck this year.

EDIT - Anyone know who the minor leaguer is that was reportedly sent to the Giants with Ledee?

RHP Alfredo Simon

Vince · 07-31-2004, 05:07 PM

Any idea if he's any good? I'm going to go try to find some info on him.

Hm. He's apparently pretty good, but had some issues with having the wrong age on his Visa. He was 21 months older than the Phillies thought he was. Pretty strong numbers in A ball - Low 3 ERA, 107 Ks in 130 IP, 4 of 20 starts were complete games. I don't know much about pitching stats from lower leagues and how they translate to higher leagues (I know MUCH more about minor league hitting stats), but those are some promising numbers. Interestingly enough, I can't seem to find how old this kid is, even though I found a story saying that he was older than the Phillies thought.

pennywisesb · 07-31-2004, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince

I think you guys got a pretty good deal with Felix Rodriguez. I have no idea why the Giants are trading away one of their best bullpen arms when it looks from my standpoint that they need help in the bullpen even WITH Felix Rodruguez back there.

Ledee is going to be a nice left-handed bat to protect Bonds (Giants have sucked against RHP this season), but man has our outfield been one giant clusterfuck this year.

EDIT - Anyone know who the minor leaguer is that was reportedly sent to the Giants with Ledee?

Vince, I was just thinking this today. What were the Giants thinking in getting rid of Felix Rodriguez? He is one of your best setup guys and in return they get Ricky Ledee? Wow, I have no idea what Sabean was thinking. It just seems to me that they could have gotten someone better for Rodriguez.

Vince · 07-31-2004, 05:16 PM

More thoughts on Alfredo Simon - he's apparently 23 (ironically enough, born two months before me), and the visa problems weren't just with his age - he was apparently going by the name Carlos Cabrera. He pitched two consecutive complete game shutouts, and was considered to be one of the Phillies' top pitching prospects.

Josh - I have no idea. Like I said above, the Giants suck against right handed pitching, but I think Feel-Rod is a bit much to give up to fix this particular problem.

Vince · 07-31-2004, 05:17 PM

Dola - Heh, the fifth Google hit for his name is his player card from some OOTP league. That's kind of funny.

pennywisesb · 07-31-2004, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince

Dola - Heh, the fifth Google hit for his name is his player card from some OOTP league. That's kind of funny.

Stop it Vince, just stop it.

Crapshoot · 07-31-2004, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince

I think you guys got a pretty good deal with Felix Rodriguez. I have no idea why the Giants are trading away one of their best bullpen arms when it looks from my standpoint that they need help in the bullpen even WITH Felix Rodruguez back there.

Ledee is going to be a nice left-handed bat to protect Bonds (Giants have sucked against RHP this season), but man has our outfield been one giant clusterfuck this year.

EDIT - Anyone know who the minor leaguer is that was reportedly sent to the Giants with Ledee?

the minor leaguer was the Phillies no 6 prospect, who just pitched 3 straight complete games- a damn nice arm. F-rod is not worth 3.15 million next year (his player option). in terms of pure talent, they won out IMO. but the fact is, their offense has been 3rd in the NL, while the "blowpen" had been well.... see the nomenclature.

JimboJ · 07-31-2004, 07:11 PM

It really doesn't matter whether Felix Rodroguez or Todd Jones are any good. They will end up on the DL within a few weeks anyway. I think its time for some kind of investigation as to why every single pitcher the Phillies bring in here ends up with arm trouble. And it's not this just year - it happens every season.

I don't think you can blame Bowa for this mess. Besides making out the lineups, and making substitutions during a game, a major league manager is pretty much irrelevent. If the players don't like his personality, who cares? Billy Wagner said it best, when he said they have too many players who are just too sensitive on that team.

And what they really lack more than anything is a vocal leader in the clubhouse. I was hoping it would be Thome, but apparently he doesn't have the personality for it.

And yes, Paul Abbot has to go. Figures he's the only one without some kind of arm trouble.

cuervo72 · 07-31-2004, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy Mac

Yes, a team is obviously shitty when they've won the past 12 division titles and have one of the best closers in baseball.

Hey, at least not all of those division titles were at the Phillies' expense.

Vince · 08-01-2004, 04:00 AM

The more I look at this trade, the more I am amazed by it. It seems like Sabean definitely got the best of Wade, but this move is completely the opposite of what the Giants need right now. The way the team is set up (read: Barry Bonds), our window of opportunity is really close to closing. We need ML-Ready players, not single-A studs who are going to be great.

The only thing I can think of was that this wasn't supposed to be the only move the Giants made, and that Simon was supposed to go somewhere else before the deadline.

Ben E Lou · 08-01-2004, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew

We have let the shitty Braves get up 4.5 games already.

Hey Easy, FBPro and the others...would this be the right time to tell them about Chipper learning the Jedi Mind Trick?

GrantDawg · 08-01-2004, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

Hey Easy, FBPro and the others...would this be the right time to tell them about Chipper learning the Jedi Mind Trick?

Chipper to the Phillies "You WILL fall apart mid-season..."

Ben E Lou · 08-01-2004, 06:14 PM

Make that 5.5 games.

Philliesfan980 · 08-01-2004, 06:27 PM

Today's game was yet another example of their incompetence. Bases loaded in the 8th inning, nobody out then..

Lieberthal strikes out
Utley strikes out
Michaels hits a weak popup to 2nd.

Pretty much sums up this team. No clutch performers whatsoever. Braves have a decent team, but won't get out of the first round. But hey, its better than what the Phillies can ever do.

Easy Mac · 08-01-2004, 07:08 PM

The Braves have the best pitching in baseball. (not that I think Cox can manage his way out of an upside down paper bag)

mauchow · 08-01-2004, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy Mac

The Braves have the best pitching in baseball.

HuH? I will be the first to say bull crap to that one.

Their ERA is 3.66 while the Cubs are right behind them with a 3.68.

Are you saying they have the best pitching because they're two points ahead of them, or because you're trying to be funny.

The Cubs easily have the best staff when healthy.

Plus, the Cubs have played better teams than the stinkin braves who play soc of crap teams.

07-31-2004, 11:41 AM	#4
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07-31-2004, 11:45 AM	#5
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07-31-2004, 03:38 PM	#34
Vince Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Willow Glen, CA	I think you guys got a pretty good deal with Felix Rodriguez. I have no idea why the Giants are trading away one of their best bullpen arms when it looks from my standpoint that they need help in the bullpen even WITH Felix Rodruguez back there. Ledee is going to be a nice left-handed bat to protect Bonds (Giants have sucked against RHP this season), but man has our outfield been one giant clusterfuck this year. EDIT - Anyone know who the minor leaguer is that was reportedly sent to the Giants with Ledee? __________________ Every time a Dodger scores a run, an angel has its wings ripped off by a demon, and is forced to tearfully beg the demon to cauterize the wounds.The demon will refuse, and the sobbing angel will lie in a puddle of angel blood and feathers for eternity, wondering why the Dodgers are allowed to score runs.That’s not me talking: that’s science. McCoveyChronicles.com. Last edited by Vince : 07-31-2004 at 03:39 PM.

07-31-2004, 05:07 PM	#36
Vince Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Willow Glen, CA	Any idea if he's any good? I'm going to go try to find some info on him. Hm. He's apparently pretty good, but had some issues with having the wrong age on his Visa. He was 21 months older than the Phillies thought he was. Pretty strong numbers in A ball - Low 3 ERA, 107 Ks in 130 IP, 4 of 20 starts were complete games. I don't know much about pitching stats from lower leagues and how they translate to higher leagues (I know MUCH more about minor league hitting stats), but those are some promising numbers. Interestingly enough, I can't seem to find how old this kid is, even though I found a story saying that he was older than the Phillies thought. __________________ Every time a Dodger scores a run, an angel has its wings ripped off by a demon, and is forced to tearfully beg the demon to cauterize the wounds.The demon will refuse, and the sobbing angel will lie in a puddle of angel blood and feathers for eternity, wondering why the Dodgers are allowed to score runs.That’s not me talking: that’s science. McCoveyChronicles.com. Last edited by Vince : 07-31-2004 at 05:12 PM.

07-31-2004, 11:16 AM	#2
lynchjm24 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Hartford	They don't have good enough players.

07-31-2004, 11:35 AM	#3
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	Yes, a team is obviously shitty when they've won the past 12 division titles and have one of the best closers in baseball.

07-31-2004, 01:02 PM	#8
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	BOWA MUST GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He's a freaking cartoon character out there. His idiotic tantrums when getting thrown out of a game are pathetic to watch. He has lost the team, take him out of the equation.

07-31-2004, 01:13 PM	#9
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Err, I mean Paul Abbott, not Brian Powell. Same difference. He sucks. Remember when Myers was considered an ace in training? That seems like a long time ago.

07-31-2004, 01:14 PM	#10
tucker rocky Pro Rookie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Of no particular interest	The Phillies need top notch pitching to counteract the slumps that the Phillies hitters are prone to. Would a Steve Finley addition be viable? Maybe the Phillies should go after some more decent prospects. A catcher upgrade would be nice, 2b also. Players that can steal and play to Bowa's style might be needed.

07-31-2004, 01:17 PM	#12
tucker rocky Pro Rookie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Of no particular interest	Millwood also has his ups and downs. More downs than ups. Phils need to dump his ass after this season.

07-31-2004, 01:17 PM	#13
IMetTrentGreen College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Austin, Texas	any team that puts paul abbot in the rotation is not the kind that will end up winning many games

07-31-2004, 01:22 PM	#14
tucker rocky Pro Rookie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Of no particular interest	You would think with a line-up that has Thome, Abreu, Burrell, Bell, Liberthal, you would produce runs, and the pitching would do an adequate job. Millwood, Padilla, Wolf, Myers, and Milton all looked like a decent to solid rotation at start of the season. The injury bug has not been kind this season, Wagner, Thome, Bell, Padilla, Wolf, and maybe a few others.

07-31-2004, 01:39 PM	#18
tucker rocky Pro Rookie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Of no particular interest	Watching the Phils and Cubs....Millwood!...you suck also!

07-31-2004, 02:04 PM	#23
tucker rocky Pro Rookie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Of no particular interest	I'm looking at the Phillies page, and IMHO the Phils would be dumb to give up LH/1b Ryan Howard, 6-4 240 .298 37HRs 102RBI in 100 games, albeit he is still in AA ball and the majors is totally different.

07-31-2004, 02:15 PM	#26
tucker rocky Pro Rookie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Of no particular interest	Millwood!...you big dummy!

07-31-2004, 02:17 PM	#27
tucker rocky Pro Rookie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Of no particular interest	...a hard bunt into a DP.....Arrgh!

07-31-2004, 02:21 PM	#29
tucker rocky Pro Rookie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Of no particular interest	Alright Bowa, lets not leave Millwood in there to much longer...

07-31-2004, 02:24 PM	#30
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	gg so far

07-31-2004, 02:26 PM	#31
tucker rocky Pro Rookie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Of no particular interest	Oh no, why is Rheal Crummier into the game....alright Rheal, lets really get a SO!

07-31-2004, 02:27 PM	#32
tucker rocky Pro Rookie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Of no particular interest	good, good, out of that inning.

07-31-2004, 03:09 PM	#33
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	1 out left.. and it lies in the hands of a phillie-killer(a new name for him)

07-31-2004, 05:16 PM	#38
Vince Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Willow Glen, CA	More thoughts on Alfredo Simon - he's apparently 23 (ironically enough, born two months before me), and the visa problems weren't just with his age - he was apparently going by the name Carlos Cabrera. He pitched two consecutive complete game shutouts, and was considered to be one of the Phillies' top pitching prospects. Josh - I have no idea. Like I said above, the Giants suck against right handed pitching, but I think Feel-Rod is a bit much to give up to fix this particular problem. __________________ Every time a Dodger scores a run, an angel has its wings ripped off by a demon, and is forced to tearfully beg the demon to cauterize the wounds.The demon will refuse, and the sobbing angel will lie in a puddle of angel blood and feathers for eternity, wondering why the Dodgers are allowed to score runs.That’s not me talking: that’s science. McCoveyChronicles.com.

07-31-2004, 05:17 PM	#39
Vince Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Willow Glen, CA	Dola - Heh, the fifth Google hit for his name is his player card from some OOTP league. That's kind of funny. __________________ Every time a Dodger scores a run, an angel has its wings ripped off by a demon, and is forced to tearfully beg the demon to cauterize the wounds.The demon will refuse, and the sobbing angel will lie in a puddle of angel blood and feathers for eternity, wondering why the Dodgers are allowed to score runs.That’s not me talking: that’s science. McCoveyChronicles.com. Last edited by Vince : 07-31-2004 at 05:17 PM.

07-31-2004, 07:11 PM	#42
JimboJ High School Varsity Join Date: Aug 2003	It really doesn't matter whether Felix Rodroguez or Todd Jones are any good. They will end up on the DL within a few weeks anyway. I think its time for some kind of investigation as to why every single pitcher the Phillies bring in here ends up with arm trouble. And it's not this just year - it happens every season. I don't think you can blame Bowa for this mess. Besides making out the lineups, and making substitutions during a game, a major league manager is pretty much irrelevent. If the players don't like his personality, who cares? Billy Wagner said it best, when he said they have too many players who are just too sensitive on that team. And what they really lack more than anything is a vocal leader in the clubhouse. I was hoping it would be Thome, but apparently he doesn't have the personality for it. And yes, Paul Abbot has to go. Figures he's the only one without some kind of arm trouble.

08-01-2004, 04:00 AM	#44
Vince Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Willow Glen, CA	The more I look at this trade, the more I am amazed by it. It seems like Sabean definitely got the best of Wade, but this move is completely the opposite of what the Giants need right now. The way the team is set up (read: Barry Bonds), our window of opportunity is really close to closing. We need ML-Ready players, not single-A studs who are going to be great. The only thing I can think of was that this wasn't supposed to be the only move the Giants made, and that Simon was supposed to go somewhere else before the deadline. __________________ Every time a Dodger scores a run, an angel has its wings ripped off by a demon, and is forced to tearfully beg the demon to cauterize the wounds.The demon will refuse, and the sobbing angel will lie in a puddle of angel blood and feathers for eternity, wondering why the Dodgers are allowed to score runs.That’s not me talking: that’s science. McCoveyChronicles.com.

08-01-2004, 06:14 PM	#47
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	Make that 5.5 games. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

08-01-2004, 06:27 PM	#48
Philliesfan980 Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Exton, PA	Today's game was yet another example of their incompetence. Bases loaded in the 8th inning, nobody out then.. Lieberthal strikes out Utley strikes out Michaels hits a weak popup to 2nd. Pretty much sums up this team. No clutch performers whatsoever. Braves have a decent team, but won't get out of the first round. But hey, its better than what the Phillies can ever do.

08-01-2004, 07:08 PM	#49
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	The Braves have the best pitching in baseball. (not that I think Cox can manage his way out of an upside down paper bag)

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