OT:Heisman voters...

Cringer · 12-11-2004, 05:39 PM

Just a small venting.

I hate how guys refuse to say who they voted for or in what order they voted the guys. Why refuse to say? I see no problem with saying who you voted for.

rexallllsc · 12-11-2004, 06:02 PM

Because they'd have to defend their votes.

Cringer · 12-11-2004, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by rexallllsc

Because they'd have to defend their votes.

Which is stupid, because they are already sitting there on ESPN talking about the pros/cons of each guy. Annoying.

VPI97 · 12-11-2004, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Cringer

Just a small venting.

I hate how guys refuse to say who they voted for or in what order they voted the guys. Why refuse to say? I see no problem with saying who you voted for.

Andre Ware's doing the Valdosta State/Pittsburg State game and just said he voted for Jason White. (Also said he voted for Fitzgerald last year)

Just sayin'

Cringer · 12-11-2004, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by VPI97

Andre Ware's doing the Valdosta State/Pittsburg State game and just said he voted for Jason White. (Also said he voted for Fitzgerald last year)

Just sayin'

I saw that. I thought he was about to avoid it and then he said.

I understand some guys will say. Which makes me wonder more why others won't.

GrantDawg · 12-11-2004, 07:38 PM

Buck Belue voted for Pollack.

Deattribution · 12-11-2004, 07:43 PM

You really want to be on the commitee with a guy you voted 5th (publicly), but who won anyway?

Cringer · 12-11-2004, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Deattribution

You really want to be on the commitee with a guy you voted 5th, but who won anyway?

No one has won yet, announced later.

Young Drachma · 12-11-2004, 08:01 PM

What funny is, this year is the first year in a while that a previous winner is in the running for it again - and thus, has a vote.

GrantDawg · 12-11-2004, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

What funny is, this year is the first year in a while that a previous winner is in the running for it again - and thus, has a vote.

Yup, said he is voting for Pederson.

Deattribution · 12-11-2004, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Yup, said he is voting for Pederson.

Adrian Peterson is gonna be pissed

GrantDawg · 12-11-2004, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Deattribution

Adrian Peterson is gonna be pissed

Check the monicker. I knew was wrong but wasn't in the mood to google it to check.

Cringer · 12-11-2004, 08:56 PM

Matt Leinhart wins like I thought.

But was White tearing up?

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Cringer · 12-11-2004, 08:58 PM

dola- Matt Leinart.

Maybe an non-QB can win next year? Oh well..........

Sharpieman · 12-11-2004, 09:22 PM

Congrats Matt, your cursed.

Cringer · 12-11-2004, 09:23 PM

I am suprised no one is really commenting, not much interest in the Heisman Award?

Or are guys afraid their posts would be deleted if it was in a thread I started?

Young Drachma · 12-11-2004, 10:56 PM

Eh, I don't think the intrigue is there. I think I have a problem with an award like that always being awarded to a player that fits their conception of the Heisman winner, rather than to the best player in D-1A college football (let's face it, you're not gonna get a winner from any other level.)

Still, he's deserving I guess. But I'm sure Peterson will still do okay, provided he keeps racking up the numbers over the next few years. 2nd isn't exactly chopped liver as a freshman and beating out a former winner (even if he did vote for you)

Eaglesfan27 · 12-11-2004, 11:15 PM

The margin of victory was pretty much what I expected. I'm a little surprised Bush was 5th, but I think he will be much higher next year.

duckman · 12-11-2004, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Sharpieman

Congrats Matt, your cursed.

I know.

SunDancer · 12-11-2004, 11:20 PM

[quote=Dark Cloud]Eh, I don't think the intrigue is there. I think I have a problem with an award like that always being awarded to a player that fits their conception of the Heisman winner, rather than to the best player in D-1A college football (let's face it, you're not gonna get a winner from any other level.)
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What do you mean by this?

Young Drachma · 12-12-2004, 12:07 AM

I dunno. I was sleepy and I just got off work.

rexallllsc · 12-12-2004, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

The margin of victory was pretty much what I expected. I'm a little surprised Bush was 5th, but I think he will be much higher next year.

The (strange) thing about Bush is...he looks awesome playing the game (I think he's amazing), but he only has 2 games over 100 yards rushing in his career, and 2 games with over 100 yards receiving.

miami_fan · 12-12-2004, 10:33 AM

For me, this year lacked that clear “Heisman” moment. The one moment where when you saw you said “there is your Heisman winner” I thought Adrian Peterson came the closest with his performance against OSU. It reminds me of the BCS. You had worthy candidates, all bunched together as far as their credentials. So how do you distinguish between these five candidates? I am surprised by the margin of victory however. I expected it to be much closer. I guess Adrian Peterson and Jason White pulled more votes from each other than Reggie Bush and Matt Leinart. I am happy to see that Peterson came in second at least. He would have been my choice but at least there was a blatant disregard for his season just because he was a freshman.

Samdari · 12-12-2004, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Cringer

not much interest in the Heisman Award?

Not really. It's pretty easy these days. Look at the #1 team. Their QB wins the Heisman.

flere-imsaho · 12-12-2004, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Cringer

I am suprised no one is really commenting, not much interest in the Heisman Award?

Caveat: I don't really follow College Football, sticking mostly to the NFL.

It seems to me that most of the time the Heisman ends up being awarded on the basis of a popularity contest. It seems that about 75% of the time the winner sinks without a trace once he enters the NFL. It also seems that by the time the Bowls come around, there's someone else who is performing way better in the really big games that matter.

That's why I generally don't comment.

Tekneek · 12-12-2004, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Buck Belue voted for Pollack.

For real? Did he make a good case for it, other than him being the best defensive player at UGA?

SunDancer · 12-12-2004, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

Caveat: I don't really follow College Football, sticking mostly to the NFL.

It seems to me that most of the time the Heisman ends up being awarded on the basis of a popularity contest. It seems that about 75% of the time the winner sinks without a trace once he enters the NFL. It also seems that by the time the Bowls come around, there's someone else who is performing way better in the really big games that matter.

That's why I generally don't comment.

The winner may sink when he enters the NFL but the Heisman awards the best player in college football that year, not the best prospect for the NFL. Bowl games matter, besides the BCS? Also, to judge the players on the performance on one game is not good. Look at the big games over the season, when games really do count.

GrantDawg · 12-12-2004, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Tekneek

For real? Did he make a good case for it, other than him being the best defensive player at UGA?

He said it was a protest vote because he is tired of the award simply being the QB on the best team, or the best offensive player on the best team. He didn't say that Pollock truly deserved the award. He just used him because he liked him.

flere-imsaho · 12-12-2004, 03:02 PM

Good points. I hadn't really thought of it that way.

ISiddiqui · 12-12-2004, 03:11 PM

Well usually most people would consider the most outstanding player as an offensive guy. Defense is more of a 'team' thing than an individual thing than Offense can be.

GrantDawg · 12-12-2004, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Well usually most people would consider the most outstanding player as an offensive guy. Defense is more of a 'team' thing than an individual thing than Offense can be.

It is all a team thing. It is a team game. If your going to have an award of the "Most Outstanding Player," then you have to consider both sides of the ball (and the O-line too). AND the most outstanding player doesn't have to be on a national championship contender, either. I believe the award is about as over rated as the MNC.

ISiddiqui · 12-12-2004, 03:25 PM

Yeah, but on offense, players can stand out more. You can see the impact of an offensive player much more than you can a single defensive player.

GrantDawg · 12-12-2004, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Yeah, but on offense, players can stand out more. You can see the impact of an offensive player much more than you can a single defensive player.

So? And QB's get all the pub, which is why most of the voters vote for them, even though many of them never even watch them play a game. It just underlines what a joke the award is.

Crapshoot · 12-12-2004, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg

So? And QB's get all the pub, which is why most of the voters vote for them, even though many of them never even watch them play a game. It just underlines what a joke the award is.

Aye- it seem inane. when Woodson won the award, I thought their was a genuine movement towards a best player, as opposed to best player on best team.

wbatl1 · 12-12-2004, 07:12 PM

I swear, the Heisman voters all watch the highlights(which show only the big teams) and they base their votes off the biased highlights and commentary going along with it.

12-11-2004, 07:43 PM	#7
Deattribution College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2003	You really want to be on the commitee with a guy you voted 5th (publicly), but who won anyway? Last edited by Deattribution : 12-11-2004 at 07:44 PM.

12-11-2004, 08:01 PM	#9
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	What funny is, this year is the first year in a while that a previous winner is in the running for it again - and thus, has a vote. __________________ Current dynasty: OOTP25 Blitz: RTS meets Moneyball / Women's Basketball Alternate History \| OOTP Mod: Managerial Strategy Files \| GM Excel Competitive Balance Tax/Revenue Sharing Calc \| FBCB Mods on Github

12-11-2004, 09:23 PM	#16
Cringer Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edinburg,TX	I am suprised no one is really commenting, not much interest in the Heisman Award? Or are guys afraid their posts would be deleted if it was in a thread I started? Last edited by Cringer : 12-11-2004 at 09:23 PM.

12-11-2004, 10:56 PM	#17
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	Eh, I don't think the intrigue is there. I think I have a problem with an award like that always being awarded to a player that fits their conception of the Heisman winner, rather than to the best player in D-1A college football (let's face it, you're not gonna get a winner from any other level.) Still, he's deserving I guess. But I'm sure Peterson will still do okay, provided he keeps racking up the numbers over the next few years. 2nd isn't exactly chopped liver as a freshman and beating out a former winner (even if he did vote for you) __________________ Current dynasty: OOTP25 Blitz: RTS meets Moneyball / Women's Basketball Alternate History \| OOTP Mod: Managerial Strategy Files \| GM Excel Competitive Balance Tax/Revenue Sharing Calc \| FBCB Mods on Github

12-11-2004, 11:15 PM	#18
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	The margin of victory was pretty much what I expected. I'm a little surprised Bush was 5th, but I think he will be much higher next year. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

12-11-2004, 06:02 PM	#2
rexallllsc Banned Join Date: May 2003	Because they'd have to defend their votes.

12-11-2004, 07:38 PM	#6
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	Buck Belue voted for Pollack.

12-11-2004, 08:56 PM	#13
Cringer Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edinburg,TX	Matt Leinhart wins like I thought. But was White tearing up? -------------------------------- Commissioner of the Imperial Football League (sorry but I no longer allowed any kind of signature)

12-11-2004, 08:58 PM	#14
Cringer Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edinburg,TX	dola- Matt Leinart. Maybe an non-QB can win next year? Oh well..........

12-11-2004, 09:22 PM	#15
Sharpieman Greatly Missed. (7/11/84-06/12/05) Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Palo Alto, CA	Congrats Matt, your cursed.

12-11-2004, 11:20 PM	#20
SunDancer College Benchwarmer Join Date: Sep 2002	[quote=Dark Cloud]Eh, I don't think the intrigue is there. I think I have a problem with an award like that always being awarded to a player that fits their conception of the Heisman winner, rather than to the best player in D-1A college football (let's face it, you're not gonna get a winner from any other level.) QUOTE] What do you mean by this?

12-12-2004, 12:07 AM	#21
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	I dunno. I was sleepy and I just got off work. __________________ Current dynasty: OOTP25 Blitz: RTS meets Moneyball / Women's Basketball Alternate History \| OOTP Mod: Managerial Strategy Files \| GM Excel Competitive Balance Tax/Revenue Sharing Calc \| FBCB Mods on Github

12-12-2004, 10:33 AM	#23
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	For me, this year lacked that clear “Heisman” moment. The one moment where when you saw you said “there is your Heisman winner” I thought Adrian Peterson came the closest with his performance against OSU. It reminds me of the BCS. You had worthy candidates, all bunched together as far as their credentials. So how do you distinguish between these five candidates? I am surprised by the margin of victory however. I expected it to be much closer. I guess Adrian Peterson and Jason White pulled more votes from each other than Reggie Bush and Matt Leinart. I am happy to see that Peterson came in second at least. He would have been my choice but at least there was a blatant disregard for his season just because he was a freshman.

12-12-2004, 03:02 PM	#29
flere-imsaho Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicagoland	Good points. I hadn't really thought of it that way.

12-12-2004, 03:11 PM	#30
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Well usually most people would consider the most outstanding player as an offensive guy. Defense is more of a 'team' thing than an individual thing than Offense can be. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

12-12-2004, 03:25 PM	#32
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Yeah, but on offense, players can stand out more. You can see the impact of an offensive player much more than you can a single defensive player. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

12-12-2004, 07:12 PM	#35
wbatl1 High School Varsity Join Date: Jun 2003	I swear, the Heisman voters all watch the highlights(which show only the big teams) and they base their votes off the biased highlights and commentary going along with it. __________________ wbatl1

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