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Enigma Puzzle #34
A recently transcribed document reveals cryptic clues, in the grand tradition of Nostradamus, that lead us …one step at a time… where? To the next enigma solution, of course.
Two celebrated men of State, arose from greater fields than most Pictured together twice before, it’s the former that we seek The creator, whose name here far mightier than the sword Heads the group best known for its business The center of the group, renowned for his colors Used three initials, the middle name unique Spoken plainly, its word takes a familiar shape But here we seek only the male of the species History knows the name, raiding the high seas The color of his mount home to mountain waters Across the land, we curl with those metallic products Most of all, the one sloganed as a peculiar weapon That tool strikes rare deadly fear in those balladeered By a writer who urged we enjoy each and every one The peer who lent the name was born to another’s namesakes A more modern retelling made fearsome creatures of them Their rivals’ great hero took his name from the street Traced to earlier days, his leader hailed from the woods A high life reached low point, as tapes were rolling Find the target of this shame, and enigma is resolved!
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02-26-2005, 08:20 PM
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President Carter
Nuff Said!
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02-26-2005, 08:34 PM
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Oddly, my first guess would have been Nixon, not Carter...
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02-26-2005, 08:43 PM
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sorry I was just paying homage to another member here
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02-27-2005, 03:31 PM
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I'm thinking "…one step at a time…" in the lead means we are supposed to be looking at this as a multi-piece puzzle, rather than just one answer that connects to everything.
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02-27-2005, 04:33 PM
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Someone named Pen or Penn (William Penn?) |
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02-27-2005, 11:56 PM
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I agree with William Penn for the first one. And ETA Hoffman for the second? I think the last clue (not quoted) might be in reference to GWB and the recent tapes that were leaked ("high" life). |
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02-28-2005, 10:09 AM
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William Penn was a Quaker...perhaps "Heads the group best known for its business" might refer to Quaker Oatmeal?
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02-28-2005, 10:45 AM
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Could be, if these are quatrains that follow in a definite order. Like the "center of the group". Said group would probably have to be determined from the previous lines. That said...for whatever reason, the "center of the group" clue has me stuck on the famous WWII picture of Churchill, Roosevelt, and Stalin - and FDR of course was known by his initials, and had a very distinct middle name.
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03-01-2005, 08:04 AM
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When I read this, I just see a fairly obvious reference to "pen" after name. Perhaps it's William Penn, but a simpler explanation would be that this references a writer's pseudonym, or pen name. "The creator" doesn't seem to link to William Penn in any way that I can see. Maybe we aren't supposed to solve these in random order, but rather "one step at a time" like the lean-in references. Meaning, maybe, we need something from the first couplet before we can solve the second? |
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03-01-2005, 12:23 PM
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03-01-2005, 12:43 PM
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Battlefields? Military? Eisenhower? Grant? Collin Powell? Stormin' Norman? Just tossin' out ideas.
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03-01-2005, 02:42 PM
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I'm sure Powell and Schwartzkopf were pictured more than twice together, but I like the battlefield idea. Re: "Pictured" movies? "Patton" and the like? Re: "greater" would indicate larger wars. Or not.
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03-01-2005, 03:19 PM
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But former what? I mean is it pointing to the first picture taken of the two, which has something special about.
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03-01-2005, 03:27 PM
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The 'pictured together twice' could be something to do with films, and its the original rather than the sequel that's important?
Then the creator could be the director/producer...
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03-01-2005, 04:01 PM
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Way off on a tangent...but Morgan Freeman and Clint Eastwood have been in Million Dollar Baby and the Unforgiven together. Morgan Freeman played the President in Deep Impact. Clint Eastwood played a secret service agent in In the Line of Fire. (Two men of state) The Unforgiven was made before Million Dollar Baby. I'll stop now. I'm going nowhere fast. |
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03-01-2005, 05:05 PM
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further random thoughts that fit some of the puzzle but not others:
Arthur Penn (mightier than the sword) directed (created?) Bonnie & Clyde Gene Hackman was in Enemy of the State, was also in Bonnie & Clyde Clyde Barrow's was the centre of the group & his middle name was Chesnut (fairly unique) Warren Beatty made Reds B&C and Reds are the only films Hackman & Beatty have both been in: B&C was the first. As I say, can't see how this fits everything, but it does fit some of it...
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03-01-2005, 09:47 PM
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How about The Longest Yard celebrated - celebrities like Burt Reynolds (roommate Corso perhaps) state - Florida State? Reynolds. . . field - football, obviously. Pictured twice - remake out. Where that puts me I'm not sure. Next.
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03-02-2005, 08:34 AM
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Good lead. Quote:
Right faith, wrong church, wrong pew. HINT: In retrospect, one could arguably capitalize a word in the first line to add a clue.
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03-02-2005, 09:08 AM
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Two men who slept with Sally Field??
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03-02-2005, 01:18 PM
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03-03-2005, 07:40 AM
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Well, I thought this was plenty of a hint in itself, but now it's been given to you above. You're on the right track to start at the beginning, and there are components of the guesses so far that get you pretty close to untangling the first segment.
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03-03-2005, 07:52 AM
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I suppose that was the obvious word to be capitalized... |
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03-03-2005, 05:02 PM
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"men of State" -- of you capitalize the word State, you make me think it references either:
The U.S. Department of State - so perhaps former Secteraries of State? or U.S. States themselves - so perhaps current or former governors? or people who share names with US States (e.g. Washington) Last edited by QuikSand : 03-03-2005 at 05:38 PM. |
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03-03-2005, 05:25 PM
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Gene Hackman has played President in Welcome to Mooseport and Absolute Power (Clint Eastwood). He was also in Unforgiven. |
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03-04-2005, 08:22 AM
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Looks like this is on life support. I'll admit, it's tough to know how hard these are to solve when you're creating them. Sorry if this one proved to be insurmountable.
Some help: -You're correct to be starting at the beginning -My earlier hint was trying to suggest that you were in the right general vicinity, but didn't have any of the specifics involved. The general notion of actors and their roles does play a part here, but it does not involved actors who played statesmen or politicial figures. -Capitalizing "State" was supposed to be a big clue -- in fact, I was reluctant to give it at all. I'm disappointed that it hasn't really started anything rolling... though there has been some worthwhile speculation. -I remain hopeful that once the first hurdle or two are cleared, the rest will fall more easily than this one. Please don't give up on this puzzle bcause you can't solve the third or last stanza... there ought to be a domino effect after you get soem momentum, I think (hope). -QS has had some good suggestions so far -- he was just voted "class clown" or something, after all... so he's got that going for him.
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03-04-2005, 08:47 AM
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Or perhaps a certain "State" university. Michigan State? Ohio State? |
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03-04-2005, 08:59 AM
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Actors/Performers gone politician?
Ronald Reagan? Clint Eastwood? Sonny Bono?
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03-04-2005, 11:15 AM
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I want to believe that general is italicized for a reason, possibly leading us to former generals who have either been a) presidents or b) Secretaries of State. This would bring up figures such as Washington, Jackson, Grant, Eisenhower, Powell (some of which have already been mentioned). But that has nothing to do with actors or roles, so I'm thinking that's probably a dead end.
The only other thought was that with State being possibly a state university, you could look for coaches, maybe even Penn State's Joe Paterno - linking with the possible Penn connection of the next clue. But I'm thinking that this is probably going in the wrong direction too. All this is probably reading into a clue that isn't...and neither have anything to do with films. *shurg*
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Sounds good... Quote:
Is that really the best you've got?
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03-04-2005, 01:42 PM
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Fred Thompson, current DA, on Law and Order?
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03-04-2005, 01:42 PM
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How about Arnold?
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03-04-2005, 01:43 PM
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Ugh...Schwarzenagger and Ventura - in The Running Man and Predator...both governors.
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03-04-2005, 01:44 PM
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Actors turned politicians
Ronald Reagan - Governor of California, POTUS Fred Thompson - Tennesse Senator Sonny Bono - California Congressman Fred Grandy - Iowa Congressman Jesse Ventura - Minnesota Governor Ben Jones - Georgia Congressman Clint Eastwood - Mayor of Carmel Jerry Springer - Mayor of Cincinnati and TV anchorman who later gained national fame with his syndicated chat show. Shirley Temple Black - ran for congress and was defeated, but she was later a delegate to the UN, and served as Ambassador to Ghana and Ambassador to Czechoslovakia.
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03-04-2005, 01:51 PM
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Sounds promising! Heads of State. Heads of Calif. and Minn. Hence the capitalization of State. Now, would the former be "Running Man" since it came out first? Or Ventura since he was the Gov. first?
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03-04-2005, 01:57 PM
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*If* this continues along an entertainment vein, it could be possible that the second line refers not to William Penn but to someone like Sean Penn maybe? He wrote a couple of screenplays including The Crossing Guard, but I'm not sure how that may tie into the previous clue or the second line of that particular clue.
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03-04-2005, 02:02 PM
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Scratch what I just said about Sean Penn...
If Buzzbee is right, the enigma may indeed be speaking of Running Man, the former of the movies. This is just a wild guess, but maybe we're looking for the author of the book, which would be Stephen King. Now, King is a part of the "group" the Rock Bottom Remainders, along with guys like Dave Barry, Matt Groenig, etc. I don't know if he leads them, but maybe this is the next step...and if so, who else in the group is reknown for his colors and has an odd middle name?
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03-04-2005, 02:06 PM
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The creator, whose name here far mightier than the sword
Heads the group best known for its business Not sure how, but could this in some way be related to Planet Hollywood? When I think of actors and business, that is usually what I think of. Ahnold, Sly and Bruce Wills? Weren't they the founders? Although it seems to falter if we try to stretch it to the next clue.
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03-04-2005, 02:56 PM
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Ok ok ok...disregard my other ramblings.
Assuming we are looking for Stephen King...I guess it is worth noting that he wrote Running Man under a pseudonym or pen name - Richard Bachman. Now...if we're looking for a group involving Bachman instead of King, I'd submit Bachman Turner Overdrive, who happened to produce the song Taking Care of Business.
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03-04-2005, 03:06 PM
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If it is Bachman Turner Overdrive, would the next clue
The center of the group, renowned for his colors Used three initials, the middle name unique point to C.F. Turner? He seems to be the only one with a middle initial. |
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03-04-2005, 03:19 PM
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Yeah, this is what I was trying to look up on...Turner could be considered the "center" of BTO I suppose, and does have three initials. I have no idea what the 'F' stands for though other than "Fred". The only relation to "color" that I came across was his song Blue Collar, but that part seems like a tenuous reference.
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03-04-2005, 03:21 PM
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Crossword puzzles and other word games often use descriptions like head, front, or top to mean first letter or word of a series. So, I suppose center here could just mean the word in the middle of the BTO group name, just as Bachman "heads" the group.
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Even if it isn't correct, this is great deductive reasoning. Edgar Allan Poe would be proud.
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03-04-2005, 04:02 PM
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Also, could 'center' simply reference the name Turner, rather than specifically C.F. Turner? Ted Turner comes to mind, although I can't see how he is renowned for his colors.
Can anyone think of a painter or animator named Turner? Someone famous for using colors? Just tossin' out ideas.
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03-04-2005, 04:06 PM
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Ted Turner is famous for colorizing black and white films.
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EDIT: However, Robert Edward Turner. Nothing unique about that. I also thought of TNT, CNN, TBS, but nothing unique there either.
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Joseph Mallord Turner was a painter that played with colors. My wife likes his work. I think it looks silly. Quote:
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Sir Francis Drake?
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03-04-2005, 04:24 PM
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Damn! Huck jumps in with a splash!
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03-04-2005, 04:27 PM
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Ted Turner and his tampering with films came to mind for me on the way home, but I think Huck is onto it with his line of thinking and getting to Drake.
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Dola - Drake captained the Golden Hind when he circumnavigated the world. This could point to Golden, Colorado.
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