The 2005 FOFC All-Pro Team

WSUCougar · 12-22-2005, 10:38 AM

Shall we?

Let's discuss this one position group at a time:

QB: Peyton Manning
RB: Shaun Alexander and Tiki Barber
WR: Steve Smith and Chad Johnson
TE: Antonio Gates
T: Walter Jones and ???
G (2)
C (1)
K (1)
P (1)
DE (2)
DT (2)
*** or DL (4)?
LB (3) or (4)?
CB (2)
S(2)
Coach (1)

Subby · 12-22-2005, 10:39 AM

Don't forget H-Back

WSUCougar · 12-22-2005, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris

Don't forget H-Back

Cooley beans!

Coffee Warlord · 12-22-2005, 10:40 AM

Which position to start at?

WSUCougar · 12-22-2005, 10:41 AM

digamma · 12-22-2005, 10:42 AM

QB?

Brady, Manning or Palmer, anyone?

WSUCougar · 12-22-2005, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by digamma

QB?

Brady, Manning or Palmer, anyone?

Which leads to the question of whether we want to go stats or "value" - Palmer is stats-worthy, but...

miami_fan · 12-22-2005, 10:44 AM

Manning
Palmer
Brady

In that order

rkmsuf · 12-22-2005, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

Manning
Palmer
Brady

In that order

agree

Raiders Army · 12-22-2005, 10:45 AM

Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer, and Drew Bledsoe.

scooper · 12-22-2005, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

Manning
Palmer
Brady

In that order

I agree. Manning is the best player on the best team in the league. And he's pretty much the offensive coordinator. There's no question he gets the nod here.

WSUCougar · 12-22-2005, 10:46 AM

As much as I love Drew, there's just no way he's a candidate, IMO.

WSUCougar · 12-22-2005, 10:46 AM

Anyone have an issue with listing Peyton Manning as our QB? (we can always revisit)

Subby · 12-22-2005, 10:47 AM

I think Carson Palmer is a better choice here...

WSUCougar · 12-22-2005, 10:47 AM

RB: Alexander & Tomlinson

WSUCougar · 12-22-2005, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris

I think Carson Palmer is a better choice here...

Sell us.

albionmoonlight · 12-22-2005, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by WSUCougar

RB: Alexander & Tomlinson

Alexander and Barber. Not to diss LT, but Barber has been amazing this year.

rkmsuf · 12-22-2005, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by WSUCougar

RB: Alexander & Tomlinson

Tiki is the only other possibility.

digamma · 12-22-2005, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

Tiki is the only other possibility.

I don't know, I think you might have to consider Larry Johson and possibly Edge.

I think Alexander is a lock, but I could see arguments for any of the other guys for that second spot.

albionmoonlight · 12-22-2005, 10:53 AM

Tomlinson has more touchdowns, but Barber has more rushing yards and receiving yards. And I think that he is more important to his team. I don't want to hold it against LT that he has a great QB and TE on his team, but Barber has been doing a lot of work on his own, despite the sudden love fest for Eli Manning.

Also, while I think that touchdowns are not an irrelevant stat, they are not as big of a deal, to me, as rushing yards. A coach who likes to put in a big back at the goal line or throw fades from the two yard line instead of running up the gut can affect that.

So, Barber gets my vote over LT.

WSUCougar · 12-22-2005, 10:53 AM

Tiki and LT have comparable receving stats. Tiki has the edge in rushing yardage and YPC, while LT has double the TDs (17 to 8).

I'm not ready to annoint Johnson yet, although statistically he's up there. I think Edge is a notch below Barber and LT.

rkmsuf · 12-22-2005, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by digamma

I don't know, I think you might have to consider Larry Johson and possibly Edge.

I think Alexander is a lock, but I could see arguments for any of the other guys for that second spot.

I don't. Edge and Johnson are a slight cut below based on just this season's performance.

Maybe if Johnson got a whole season starting it would be different. Edge has been a grinder and just isn't as explosive as the others. Still good though.

WSUCougar · 12-22-2005, 10:54 AM

I'll go with Tiki over LT.

albionmoonlight · 12-22-2005, 10:55 AM

http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFL/RYDS/2005/regular

FWIW.

Most suprising thing to me--Ruben Droughns is a 1,000 yard back after 14 games with Cleveland. I had no idea anyone playing for Cleveland was any good this year.

WSUCougar · 12-22-2005, 11:00 AM

WR?

I think Steve Smith's a no brainer. I see Holt a lot and he's a legitimate candidate. Fitz has been remarkable for the Cardinals.

Subby · 12-22-2005, 11:01 AM

I guess this is a little closer than I thought...almost a dead heat really.

Passing Statistics
NAME	CMP	ATT	YDS	CMP%	YDS/A	LNG	TD	TD%	INT	INT%	SACK	YDS	RAT
Carson Palmer	315	465	3516	67.7	7.56	70	30	6.5	10	2.2	18	96	102.6

Passing Statistics
NAME	CMP	ATT	YDS	CMP%	YDS/A	LNG	TD	TD%	INT	INT%	SACK	YDS	RAT
Peyton Manning	295	439	3626	67.2	8.26	80	28	6.4	10	2.3	16	81	104.3

digamma · 12-22-2005, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

I don't. Edge and Johnson are a slight cut below based on just this season's performance.

Maybe if Johnson got a whole season starting it would be different. Edge has been a grinder and just isn't as explosive as the others. Still good though.

I'd eliminate James first, but I think there is something to be said for his durability and reliability.

I'm not ready to give up Johnson yet, though. I think he's probably been the league MVP over the second half of the season. He's has fewer carries than the other guys, but is right up there in terms of yards and touchdowns. He has 7 straight 100 yard games, and 8 on the season (Tiki has 7 on the season, Tomlinson has 5). At the very least, he belongs in the discussion.

albionmoonlight · 12-22-2005, 11:02 AM

Steve Smith and then there are several guys, any of whom could go in that #2 spot.

Raiders Army · 12-22-2005, 11:02 AM

Steve Smith and Joey Galloway.

Coffee Warlord · 12-22-2005, 11:05 AM

I hate his guts, but props for Chad Johnson alongside Smith.

streetballer22 · 12-22-2005, 11:05 AM

You have to have Steve Smith as the top wideout and then it could be Chad Johnson, Marvin Harrison, or even Santana Moss.

scooper · 12-22-2005, 11:06 AM

I'll go with the #'s 1 & 2 guys yardage-wise. Steve Smith and Chad Johnson.

streetballer22 · 12-22-2005, 11:07 AM

Not to go ahead but do we even have to ask who the TE is going to be?

WSUCougar · 12-22-2005, 11:07 AM

I could live with Chad Johnson over Holt, but not Galloway (who came out fast but faded) or Moss (very good season, but not in Torry's class IMO). Harrison is a tough call for me.

digamma · 12-22-2005, 11:08 AM

Continuing my lobbying for an All-Johnson team. WR: Chad.

digamma · 12-22-2005, 11:09 AM

Dola.

Actually, check that. I vote for Calvin. Johnson.

WSUCougar · 12-22-2005, 11:12 AM

Anyone want to argue against Steve Smith and Chad Johnson at WR?

streetballer22 · 12-22-2005, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by WSUCougar

Anyone want to argue against Steve Smith and Chad Johnson at WR?

Works for me

WSUCougar · 12-22-2005, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by streetballer22

Not to go ahead but do we even have to ask who the TE is going to be?

Antonio Gates is obvious, but Chris Cooley has rather quietly had a killer season.

scooper · 12-22-2005, 11:16 AM

Gates. Has to be.

streetballer22 · 12-22-2005, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by WSUCougar

Antonio Gates is obvious, but Chris Cooley has rather quietly had a killer season.

Cooley has been good but in one less game Gates has 18 more receptions for 300 more yards and 3 more TDs.

Bee · 12-22-2005, 11:18 AM

Can we put Cooley in as a FB?

scooper · 12-22-2005, 11:42 AM

Big Willie Anderson at OT.

albionmoonlight · 12-22-2005, 11:46 AM

I have to sit out the O-line discussion. I have not paid enough attention this season to have anything like an informed opinion.

scooper · 12-22-2005, 11:48 AM

At the other spot, my heart says Levi Jones, but Walter Jones should get the nod.

Draft Dodger · 12-22-2005, 11:54 AM

I thought this was going to somehow rank the top posters at the FOFC. I just clicked to see a trainwreck, but it looks like you guys are working on something legit here.

*slowly backs out of thread*

WSUCougar · 12-22-2005, 12:56 PM

Yeah, I think Walter Jones is a must. Any more thoughts on the other tackle?

sachmo71 · 12-22-2005, 01:36 PM

T = Willie Roaf. Consistantly good, and helped Mr. Johnson get to 1000 yards in less than a full season.

scooper · 12-22-2005, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sachmo71

T = Willie Roaf. Consistantly good, and helped Mr. Johnson get to 1000 yards in less than a full season.

Willie's good, but should a guy who missed close to half the season make an all-pro team?

sachmo71 · 12-22-2005, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by scooper

Willie's good, but should a guy who missed close to half the season make an all-pro team?

I think he should make it on past accomplishments and name recognition.

12-22-2005, 10:41 AM	#5
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	QB __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

12-22-2005, 10:46 AM	#12
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	As much as I love Drew, there's just no way he's a candidate, IMO. __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

12-22-2005, 10:46 AM	#13
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	Anyone have an issue with listing Peyton Manning as our QB? (we can always revisit) __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

12-22-2005, 10:47 AM	#14
Subby lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: sans pants	I think Carson Palmer is a better choice here... __________________ Superman was flying around and saw Wonder Woman getting a tan in the nude on her balcony. Superman said I going to hit that real fast. So he flys down toward Wonder Woman to hit it and their is a loud scream. The Invincible Man scream what just hit me in the ass!!!!! I do shit, I take pictures, I write about it: chrisshue.com

12-22-2005, 10:47 AM	#15
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	RB: Alexander & Tomlinson __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

12-22-2005, 10:39 AM	#2
Subby lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: sans pants	Don't forget H-Back __________________ Superman was flying around and saw Wonder Woman getting a tan in the nude on her balcony. Superman said I going to hit that real fast. So he flys down toward Wonder Woman to hit it and their is a loud scream. The Invincible Man scream what just hit me in the ass!!!!! I do shit, I take pictures, I write about it: chrisshue.com

12-22-2005, 10:40 AM	#4
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Which position to start at?

12-22-2005, 10:42 AM	#6
digamma Torchbearer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: On Lake Harriet	QB? Brady, Manning or Palmer, anyone?

12-22-2005, 10:44 AM	#8
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	Manning Palmer Brady In that order

12-22-2005, 10:45 AM	#10
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer, and Drew Bledsoe.

12-22-2005, 10:53 AM	#20
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	Tomlinson has more touchdowns, but Barber has more rushing yards and receiving yards. And I think that he is more important to his team. I don't want to hold it against LT that he has a great QB and TE on his team, but Barber has been doing a lot of work on his own, despite the sudden love fest for Eli Manning. Also, while I think that touchdowns are not an irrelevant stat, they are not as big of a deal, to me, as rushing yards. A coach who likes to put in a big back at the goal line or throw fades from the two yard line instead of running up the gut can affect that. So, Barber gets my vote over LT.

12-22-2005, 10:54 AM	#23
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	I'll go with Tiki over LT. __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

12-22-2005, 10:55 AM	#24
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFL/RYDS/2005/regular FWIW. Most suprising thing to me--Ruben Droughns is a 1,000 yard back after 14 games with Cleveland. I had no idea anyone playing for Cleveland was any good this year.

12-22-2005, 11:00 AM	#25
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	WR? I think Steve Smith's a no brainer. I see Holt a lot and he's a legitimate candidate. Fitz has been remarkable for the Cardinals. __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

12-22-2005, 11:02 AM	#28
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	Steve Smith and then there are several guys, any of whom could go in that #2 spot.

12-22-2005, 11:05 AM	#30
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	I hate his guts, but props for Chad Johnson alongside Smith.

12-22-2005, 11:05 AM	#31
streetballer22 Mascot Join Date: Feb 2005	You have to have Steve Smith as the top wideout and then it could be Chad Johnson, Marvin Harrison, or even Santana Moss.

12-22-2005, 11:06 AM	#32
scooper College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cinn City	I'll go with the #'s 1 & 2 guys yardage-wise. Steve Smith and Chad Johnson.

12-22-2005, 11:07 AM	#33
streetballer22 Mascot Join Date: Feb 2005	Not to go ahead but do we even have to ask who the TE is going to be?

12-22-2005, 11:08 AM	#35
digamma Torchbearer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: On Lake Harriet	Continuing my lobbying for an All-Johnson team. WR: Chad.

12-22-2005, 11:09 AM	#36
digamma Torchbearer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: On Lake Harriet	Dola. Actually, check that. I vote for Calvin. Johnson.

12-22-2005, 11:12 AM	#37
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	Anyone want to argue against Steve Smith and Chad Johnson at WR? __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

12-22-2005, 11:16 AM	#40
scooper College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cinn City	Gates. Has to be.

12-22-2005, 11:18 AM	#42
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	Can we put Cooley in as a FB?

12-22-2005, 11:42 AM	#43
scooper College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cinn City	Big Willie Anderson at OT.

12-22-2005, 11:46 AM	#44
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	I have to sit out the O-line discussion. I have not paid enough attention this season to have anything like an informed opinion.

12-22-2005, 11:48 AM	#45
scooper College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cinn City	At the other spot, my heart says Levi Jones, but Walter Jones should get the nod.

12-22-2005, 11:54 AM	#46
Draft Dodger Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Keene, NH	I thought this was going to somehow rank the top posters at the FOFC. I just clicked to see a trainwreck, but it looks like you guys are working on something legit here. slowly backs out of thread __________________ Mile High Hockey

12-22-2005, 12:56 PM	#47
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	Yeah, I think Walter Jones is a must. Any more thoughts on the other tackle? __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

12-22-2005, 01:36 PM	#48
sachmo71 The boy who cried Trout Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: TX	T = Willie Roaf. Consistantly good, and helped Mr. Johnson get to 1000 yards in less than a full season.

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