A Great Idea for NFL Overtime...

Kosta · 02-01-2003, 09:40 PM

This comes not from me, but from Tracey Miller (yes a girl!) who posted this over at profootballweekly.com

I think it is excellent. Keeps the "leave OT alone" camp happy and also satisifies the "anti-coin toss deciding games" lobby...

cut and paste....

The consensus problem is clear: a toss of a coin shouldn't be a determining factor in the outcome of a game. However, none of the suggested 'solutions' directly address the problem. The obvious solution is to simply get rid of the coin toss. The last team to score in regulation should be forced to kickoff in overtime - SINCE THEY CAUSED THE TIE. This would force coaches to attempt to break ties rather than playing for overtime, or try to score touchdowns and two point conversions instead of field goals and extra points. In the rare cases of games still going to overtime, the team whose defense has been on the field for the most recent scoring drive would be able to rest, the momentum from the final scoring play wouldn't carry over to a win-the-coin-toss victory, thus the winner would be determined on the field rather than on the coin.

sabotai · 02-01-2003, 09:50 PM

What if it's a 0-0 tie?

Superman=#54 · 02-01-2003, 09:51 PM

Thats a good question but that hardly ever happens if it does happen the team that had the ball last kicks it off.

Draft Dodger · 02-01-2003, 10:21 PM

I think instead of overtime, we should have each cheerleading squad wrestle in a vat of jello to settle it.

or, better yet, have each team's OWNER wrestle in a vat of jello to settle it.

Superman=#54 · 02-01-2003, 10:31 PM

Now thats a great idea, the loser must take a lap around the field naked. I wonder waht would the Bears do since they have no cheerleaders the Honey Bears are gone nooooooo!

Craptacular · 02-01-2003, 10:34 PM

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Originally posted by Draft Dodger
I think instead of overtime, we should have each cheerleading squad wrestle in a vat of jello to settle it.

Now that would be a great contest! Who WOULDN'T want to watch that?!?!

Draft Dodger · 02-01-2003, 11:02 PM

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Originally posted by Craptacular
Now that would be a great contest! Who WOULDN'T want to watch that?!?!

Jeff Garcia?

(sorry, couldn't resist)

Iceberg · 02-02-2003, 12:38 AM

how about whoever had the ball at the end of regulation gets to keep it

Draft Dodger · 02-02-2003, 12:44 AM

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Originally posted by Iceberg
how about whoever had the ball at the end of regulation gets to keep it

nope. because then you wont see a team aggresively try to win it late in a tie game. they'll hold the ball, run out the clock, and wait for OT.

oykib · 02-02-2003, 12:47 AM

Now that's a good idea. They should just turn off the clock when there's a tie. Actually, they should maintain the fiftten minute time limit. But the overtime period shouldjust continue from the game situation.

To keep it fair in poor field conditions, hey could switch sides of the field when overtime starts. Then, they could do it again at 7:30.

sterlingice · 02-02-2003, 02:07 AM

I do like the legit suggestion for overtime, tho.

This one I like more:

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I think instead of overtime, we should have each cheerleading squad wrestle in a vat of jello to settle it.

or, better yet, have each team's OWNER wrestle in a vat of jello to settle it.

Well, at least the cheerleader half. Who wants to see Art Modell or Jerry Jones jello wrestling?!? EWWWW!

SI

cthomer5000 · 02-02-2003, 07:52 PM

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Originally posted by Superman=#54
Thats a good question but that hardly ever happens if it does happen the team that had the ball last kicks it off.

then you'd see teams punt on the last play of the game just to get the ball first in overtime.

Jets80 · 02-02-2003, 07:55 PM

Still do the coin flip.. just do best 2 out of 3.

DeToxRox · 02-02-2003, 09:13 PM

Better idea..

We go with the most democratic thing possible..

ROCK
PAPER
SCISSORS

ORRRRRR

The XFL's coin toss was actually intriguing. Let them mofos run and beat the tar out of each other to see who gets the ball..

But make all guys doing it 300 +lbs linemen who can't gobble up a ball to save their life, for entertainment.

mckerney · 02-02-2003, 11:26 PM

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Originally posted by Kosta
This comes not from me, but from Tracey Miller (yes a girl!) who posted this over at profootballweekly.com

I think it is excellent. Keeps the "leave OT alone" camp happy and also satisifies the "anti-coin toss deciding games" lobby...

cut and paste....

The consensus problem is clear: a toss of a coin shouldn't be a determining factor in the outcome of a game. However, none of the suggested 'solutions' directly address the problem. The obvious solution is to simply get rid of the coin toss. The last team to score in regulation should be forced to kickoff in overtime - SINCE THEY CAUSED THE TIE. This would force coaches to attempt to break ties rather than playing for overtime, or try to score touchdowns and two point conversions instead of field goals and extra points. In the rare cases of games still going to overtime, the team whose defense has been on the field for the most recent scoring drive would be able to rest, the momentum from the final scoring play wouldn't carry over to a win-the-coin-toss victory, thus the winner would be determined on the field rather than on the coin.

Uh, how can you say the team that scored last caused the tie? If the team that was ahead before hadn't scored, then the tie wouldn't have happened? What if there's a terrible defensive play that leads to a touchdown such as a corner falling down in coverage leading to a touchdown? It could then be said that he was to blame for the score so he CAUSED THE TIE. Fuck, no one team is to be blamed for a tie at the end of regulation, they both CAUSED it (whatever the hell that means).

Plus, this does nothing to the main problem people are raising in that in overtime the team that gets the ball first has an unfair advantage.

College/High School style may seem cool, but it takes away the importance of special teams. If overtime has to be changed so badly, why not just go to a 15:00 or however long overtime period removing the sudden death aspect. What would be wrong with playing another period just the same as the ones before, it seems to work alright for basketball.

JimJam19 · 02-02-2003, 11:32 PM

What if they eliminated the coin toss and gave possession to the team that has the most total yardage, or something along those lines.....the team that has "outplayed" the other team for most of the game........probably a stupid idea, but im sure there is a way to figure out using stats who has outplayed the other team.....just a thought

Easy Mac · 02-02-2003, 11:37 PM

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Originally posted by mckerney
Uh, how can you say the team that scored last caused the tie? If the team that was ahead before hadn't scored, then the tie wouldn't have happened? What if there's a terrible defensive play that leads to a touchdown such as a corner falling down in coverage leading to a touchdown? It could then be said that he was to blame for the score so he CAUSED THE TIE. Fuck, no one team is to be blamed for a tie at the end of regulation, they both CAUSED it (whatever the hell that means).

Plus, this does nothing to the main problem people are raising in that in overtime the team that gets the ball first has an unfair advantage.

College/High School style may seem cool, but it takes away the importance of special teams. If overtime has to be changed so badly, why not just go to a 15:00 or however long overtime period removing the sudden death aspect. What would be wrong with playing another period just the same as the ones before, it seems to work alright for basketball.

The team that scores causes the tie. The only exception may be a safety. So lets say the team who gets the points that ties tihe game gets the ball. A reward for tying the game.

In your example of who gets the ball first, here's an answer.

Give it to no one first. Then no one can complain. Just don't give anyone the ball and let the cloc krun down. If no one scores, then thats how it was meant to be.

Samdari · 02-03-2003, 10:14 AM

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Originally posted by sabotai
What if it's a 0-0 tie?

They get one player from each team to sprint 20 yards to a football lying on the ground. The player that gets the ball gets possession for his team.

mckerney · 02-03-2003, 02:38 PM

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Originally posted by Easy Mac
The team that scores causes the tie.

Maybe it's just me, but the way I see it, neither team caused the tie. Both teams scored the same amount of points, so they both caused it. Sure, if the team that scores to tie the game hadn't a tie wouldn't have occurred, but a tie wouldn't have occured if the team that was previously ahead had scored more or fewer points.

Braggadocioussss · 02-03-2003, 02:40 PM

Overtime is fine the way it is.

mckerney · 02-03-2003, 03:02 PM

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Originally posted by Braggadocioussss
Overtime is fine the way it is.

Agreed. The only change I can see that would make sense and be much of a help is eliminating sudden death and just play the 15:00 quarter if the team that gets the ball first really does have such a huge advantage.

02-01-2003, 09:51 PM	#3
Superman=#54 High School Varsity Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Chicago, IL	Thats a good question but that hardly ever happens if it does happen the team that had the ball last kicks it off. __________________ New signature pending....

02-01-2003, 10:21 PM	#4
Draft Dodger Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Keene, NH	I think instead of overtime, we should have each cheerleading squad wrestle in a vat of jello to settle it. or, better yet, have each team's OWNER wrestle in a vat of jello to settle it. __________________ Mile High Hockey

02-02-2003, 12:47 AM	#10
oykib College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	Now that's a good idea. They should just turn off the clock when there's a tie. Actually, they should maintain the fiftten minute time limit. But the overtime period shouldjust continue from the game situation. To keep it fair in poor field conditions, hey could switch sides of the field when overtime starts. Then, they could do it again at 7:30. Last edited by oykib : 02-02-2003 at 12:48 AM.

02-01-2003, 09:50 PM	#2
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	What if it's a 0-0 tie?

02-01-2003, 10:31 PM	#5
Superman=#54 High School Varsity Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Chicago, IL	Now thats a great idea, the loser must take a lap around the field naked. I wonder waht would the Bears do since they have no cheerleaders the Honey Bears are gone nooooooo! __________________ New signature pending....

02-02-2003, 12:38 AM	#8
Iceberg H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Kensington, MD	how about whoever had the ball at the end of regulation gets to keep it

02-02-2003, 07:55 PM	#13
Jets80 High School Varsity Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Charlotte, NC	Still do the coin flip.. just do best 2 out of 3.

02-02-2003, 09:13 PM	#14
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Better idea.. We go with the most democratic thing possible.. ROCK PAPER SCISSORS ORRRRRR The XFL's coin toss was actually intriguing. Let them mofos run and beat the tar out of each other to see who gets the ball.. But make all guys doing it 300 +lbs linemen who can't gobble up a ball to save their life, for entertainment.

02-02-2003, 11:32 PM	#16
JimJam19 n00b Join Date: Jan 2003	What if they eliminated the coin toss and gave possession to the team that has the most total yardage, or something along those lines.....the team that has "outplayed" the other team for most of the game........probably a stupid idea, but im sure there is a way to figure out using stats who has outplayed the other team.....just a thought

02-03-2003, 02:40 PM	#20
Braggadocioussss In The Penalty Box Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phoenix, AZ	Overtime is fine the way it is.

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