OT: Job-Related - Giving Notice with a "pending" offer

flere-imsaho · 07-25-2006, 11:20 AM

NOTE: This is not about me, but my wife.

She's gotten a job offer from a relatively big company who require a background check and drug test before the "official" job offer. In the meantime they give her an offer which says basically Job Offer for Position X, at salary Y, etc... contingent on a successful passing of drug test & background check.

The company says the two checks can take up to 10 business days, but she'd really like to give notice now. Also, neither of these checks will be any problem for her, so barring some sort of glitch, she'll pass both.

Based on this, should she give notice now? Or wait until it's all 100% official?

duckman · 07-25-2006, 11:23 AM

You're married?! Who would want a pinko commie bastard as a husband?

vtbub · 07-25-2006, 11:23 AM

I'd wait. While the chance of something bad happening is tiny, it is still there and it's important to cover the behind.

st.cronin · 07-25-2006, 11:24 AM

Definitely wait.

GrantDawg · 07-25-2006, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

NOTE: This is not about me, but my wife.

She's gotten a job offer from a relatively big company who require a background check and drug test before the "official" job offer. In the meantime they give her an offer which says basically Job Offer for Position X, at salary Y, etc... contingent on a successful passing of drug test & background check.

The company says the two checks can take up to 10 business days, but she'd really like to give notice now. Also, neither of these checks will be any problem for her, so barring some sort of glitch, she'll pass both.

Based on this, should she give notice now? Or wait until it's all 100% official?

If she wants to give them two weeks, and doesn't want to wait 24+ days to start, then yes. It is a risk, though. That is the situation I'm in. I went ahead and gave notice, and the background check and drug test went fine. But now I'm just waiting for administrative junk to get done before I start. So, I've got a couple of unpaid days off now waiting. The gut-wrencher is that now they have suddenly said it may be next week before I start because someone in HR went on vacation. Grrrrr...

Bee · 07-25-2006, 11:26 AM

Does she have an offer in writing? In the past, I've always given notice once I have an offer in writing. In my industry, background checks are usually done before the offer letter but the drug test after.

wade moore · 07-25-2006, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

NOTE: This is not about me, but my wife.

She's gotten a job offer from a relatively big company who require a background check and drug test before the "official" job offer. In the meantime they give her an offer which says basically Job Offer for Position X, at salary Y, etc... contingent on a successful passing of drug test & background check.

The company says the two checks can take up to 10 business days, but she'd really like to give notice now. Also, neither of these checks will be any problem for her, so barring some sort of glitch, she'll pass both.

Based on this, should she give notice now? Or wait until it's all 100% official?

As someone who has done hiring for a company that requires background tests and drug tests...

I would STRONGLY suggest that she not give notice at her current job.

wade moore · 07-25-2006, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Bee

Does she have an offer in writing? In the past, I've always given notice once I have an offer in writing. In my industry, background checks are usually done before the offer letter but the drug test after.

Not for us. We give offers before BC/Drug Tests.

Radii · 07-25-2006, 11:35 AM

I would definitely wait. Anything could happen and I couldn't imagine a much crappier situation than quitting on job and having the new one fall out from under you.

wade moore · 07-25-2006, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Radii

I would definitely wait. Anything could happen and I couldn't imagine a much crappier situation than quitting on job and having the new one fall out from under you.

I've seen it happen WAY too many times, this is why I say don't give notice.

flere-imsaho · 07-25-2006, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by duckman

You're married?! Who would want a pinko commie bastard as a husband?

Why, another pinko commie bastard, of course!

Back on-topic: thanks for all the replies, folks. It's good food for thought.

KWhit · 07-25-2006, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

As someone who has done hiring for a company that requires background tests and drug tests...

I would STRONGLY suggest that she not give notice at her current job.

I knew it! You guys just make up the results of those tests, don't you?

Desnudo · 07-25-2006, 11:44 AM

Definitely wait unless you can get by without her working.

Eaglesfan27 · 07-25-2006, 11:45 AM

I've seen things go wrong with the drug testing, background check, even on individuals that thought they were squeaky clean (mostly on the background check that they get hurt.) I'd say wait until it is a sure thing.

wade moore · 07-25-2006, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

I knew it! You guys just make up the results of those tests, don't you?

Haha.. it's usually the Background Check, not the Drug Test... The ones that fail the drug tests, well, they should have known better..

Depending on the company, the Background Check can reject you when you don't expect it - for us it's often due to poor credit, which doesn't even have to be THAT poor to get turned away.

flere-imsaho · 07-25-2006, 11:49 AM

Hrm - we just checked our individual credits, and we both have excellent credit - in the upper 700s. Also, if she fails the drug test, it will only be because of a mistake made by the agency administering the tests.

The company in question, however, is a major insurance agency. I guess the question here is how paranoid should we be?

GrantDawg · 07-25-2006, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg

If she wants to give them two weeks, and doesn't want to wait 24+ days to start, then yes. It is a risk, though. That is the situation I'm in. I went ahead and gave notice, and the background check and drug test went fine. But now I'm just waiting for administrative junk to get done before I start. So, I've got a couple of unpaid days off now waiting. The gut-wrencher is that now they have suddenly said it may be next week before I start because someone in HR went on vacation. Grrrrr...

...and immediately after sending this I got the call. Sign final paperwork tomorrow and start Thursday or Friday. Yeah!

wade moore · 07-25-2006, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

Hrm - we just checked our individual credits, and we both have excellent credit - in the upper 700s. Also, if she fails the drug test, it will only be because of a mistake made by the agency administering the tests.

The company in question, however, is a major insurance agency. I guess the question here is how paranoid should we be?

I don't care how squeaky clean you guys think you are, there is no benefit to you as individuals to her giving notice now.

Many of us feel "guilt" when leaving a compnay. You can't do that in situations like this. She needs to be 100% sure she has this job before she takes another one, there's just no logical reason to take the risk no matter how sure you are of everyting going through.

Bee · 07-25-2006, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

Not for us. We give offers before BC/Drug Tests.

If that were the case, I'd probably wait for the background check.

In my last two jobs, I didn't take a drug test until I had been working for quite a while (my current job it was about 9 months after I had been working here).

wade moore · 07-25-2006, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Bee

If that were the case, I'd probably wait for the background check.

In my last two jobs, I didn't take a drug test until I had been working for quite a while (my current job it was about 9 months after I had been working here).

Well, you have to keep in mind that you also have to get an Interim Secret Clearance first for us also... So it's Drug Test, Company BC, and Interim DoD Secret Level Security Clearance...

Bee · 07-25-2006, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

Well, you have to keep in mind that you also have to get an Interim Secret Clearance first for us also... So it's Drug Test, Company BC, and Interim DoD Secret Level Security Clearance...

I actually had to get DoD Security Clearance as well, which was why they did the background check before they sent me the offer letter.

KWhit · 07-25-2006, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

So it's Drug Test, Company BC, and Interim DoD Secret Level Security Clearance...

But no Super Secret Security Clearance?

I'd be all right then.

wade moore · 07-25-2006, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Bee

I actually had to get DoD Security Clearance as well, which was why they did the background check before they sent me the offer letter.

I see...

...

Well, anyway, I can see both ways... some people might not want to go through the Drug Test, DoD paperwork, etc. without an offer letter first...

*shrug*

GrantDawg · 07-25-2006, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

I see...

...

Well, anyway, I can see both ways... some people might not want to go through the Drug Test, DoD paperwork, etc. without an offer letter first...

*shrug*

Actually, I think some companies wait to do that paperwork because they don't want to go through the expense if they have no interest in actually hiring you. I've seen companies do it both ways, and had one tell me directly (actually the one I was just hired by) that they don't spend the money unless they believe you would be a good fit.

Eaglesfan27 · 07-25-2006, 12:08 PM

Congrats on the new job Grantdawg.

wade moore · 07-25-2006, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Actually, I think some companies wait to do that paperwork because they don't want to go through the expense if they have no interest in actually hiring you. I've seen companies do it both ways, and had one tell me directly (actually the one I was just hired by) that they don't spend the money unless they believe you would be a good fit.

Well, we don't just go and do it for every Joe Shmoe. But yes, this is a good point. Why spend the money when someone hasn't even signed an offer letter?

GrantDawg · 07-25-2006, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Congrats on the new job Grantdawg.

Threadjack warning...

Thanks. I'm psyched. Working 80 hours a week was killing me. This job is perfect for me (40 hours a week, plus if I want to make a little extra. Company vehicle. No nights. No weekend unless a volunteer. Rapidly expanding company with plenty of upward mobility.) I've been dancing on the clouds since last week.

flere-imsaho · 07-25-2006, 12:45 PM

They've told her they can expedite the background check & drug test to a 5-day turnaround, so she's going to wait until then to give notice. Better safe than sorry. Thanks again to all for your good advice.

07-25-2006, 11:23 AM	#3
vtbub College Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burlington, VT USA	I'd wait. While the chance of something bad happening is tiny, it is still there and it's important to cover the behind. __________________

07-25-2006, 11:24 AM	#4
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Definitely wait. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

07-25-2006, 11:45 AM	#14
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	I've seen things go wrong with the drug testing, background check, even on individuals that thought they were squeaky clean (mostly on the background check that they get hurt.) I'd say wait until it is a sure thing. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

07-25-2006, 12:08 PM	#25
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	Congrats on the new job Grantdawg. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

07-25-2006, 11:26 AM	#6
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	Does she have an offer in writing? In the past, I've always given notice once I have an offer in writing. In my industry, background checks are usually done before the offer letter but the drug test after.

07-25-2006, 11:35 AM	#9
Radii Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I would definitely wait. Anything could happen and I couldn't imagine a much crappier situation than quitting on job and having the new one fall out from under you.

07-25-2006, 11:44 AM	#13
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	Definitely wait unless you can get by without her working.

07-25-2006, 11:49 AM	#16
flere-imsaho Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicagoland	Hrm - we just checked our individual credits, and we both have excellent credit - in the upper 700s. Also, if she fails the drug test, it will only be because of a mistake made by the agency administering the tests. The company in question, however, is a major insurance agency. I guess the question here is how paranoid should we be?

07-25-2006, 12:45 PM	#28
flere-imsaho Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicagoland	They've told her they can expedite the background check & drug test to a 5-day turnaround, so she's going to wait until then to give notice. Better safe than sorry. Thanks again to all for your good advice.

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