Broadcast TV switch to digital

stevew · 11-12-2007, 12:25 AM

[ rant]

I am tired of explaining the switchover to the uneducated people of America. I am tired of explaining how there are no longer vcr's that you can just screw in the cable and record. No I don't know how much a converter box is going to be. No idea what the cable company is going to do. I know you hate paying extra for a cable box. Yes, the traditional analog vcr is now illegal to make. No, I'm not lying to you.
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They have done a pisspoor job of explaining this thing to the majority of people I encounter every day. Granted I wonder how most of these people can even dress themselves.

I mean, if you were an antenna only person, this changeover thing is probably one the greatest things(ther than HD) since the inception of the TV.

molson · 11-12-2007, 12:44 AM

settle down

molson · 11-12-2007, 12:45 AM

Dola - I though full digital conversion wasn't until 2009 sometime?

14ers · 11-12-2007, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by molson

Dola - I though full digital conversion wasn't until 2009 sometime?

I read Feb 2009 somewhere.

I will not believe it until I see it. Too many little stations that will not be able to afford the new HD towers.

stevew · 11-12-2007, 01:10 AM

You should see how fucking pissed people get when I explain that they can't just buy a vcr, and that the only recorders with digital tuners are >200.

molson · 11-12-2007, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew

You should see how fucking pissed people get when I explain that they can't just buy a vcr, and that the only recorders with digital tuners are >200.

Really? I haven't used a VCR in a while, though I have a bunch of VHS tapes laying around. You're saying I couldn't use it on my relatively new TV?

This is seriously news to me.

stevew · 11-12-2007, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by molson

Really? I haven't used a VCR in a while, though I have a bunch of VHS tapes laying around. You're saying I couldn't use it on my relatively new TV?

This is seriously news to me.

I mean if you want something that records when plugged directely into a cable line, it's now upwards of 150-200 bucks. Stuff you have now still works fine, there's just no new stuff available to buy thats realitively cheap, and not "line in only."

Raiders Army · 11-12-2007, 07:54 AM

VCRs are dinosaurs. Go with DVRs.

JonInMiddleGA · 11-12-2007, 07:57 AM

Most people still can't make the clock on their VCR stop flashing.
Expecting them to understand any of this simply isn't realistic.

markprior22 · 11-12-2007, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Most people still can't make the clock on their VCR stop flashing.
Expecting them to understand any of this simply isn't realistic.

I consider myself to be at least average in understanding technology but I don't have a clue what is going on with TV's. I could sift through the volumes of information online about it but honestly I don't want to take the time. The other problem is that much of the info out there is conflicting. Hell, I heard 5 or more years ago that our TV'S wouldn't work any longer in about 2 years. To me, the info should be very cut and dried. It's like saying "in 2 years cars will no longer be allowed to use gasoline for fuel." The first concerns most people would have is "what about the car I have now? Will it be able to be modified, will I have to buy a new car, etc? Our family has 3 cars...will they all need to be replaced?" The people in the industry should be able to address these questions in a clear, concise manner but that just doesn't happen. Rumor and speculation run amuck and then you don't know what to believe.

I mean, I still don't know if I will have to buy new TV's. High def doesn't mean crap to me because my I'm just not the type of person that needs to see each individual blade of grass or each bead of sweat running down Shaq's crack. I will be perfectly happy if I can somehow keep my current TV's.

MikeVic · 11-12-2007, 09:01 AM

I'm really confused about all this too. I still record shows on my VCR, and I play video games with mono sound occasionally. So I really don't care about HD. If we're forced to get new TVs or some other bullshit, I'm not going to be happy.

Passacaglia · 11-12-2007, 09:11 AM

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the uneducated people of america

Just another example of how the public school system is failing.

MikeVic · 11-12-2007, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Just another example of how the public school system is failing.

There should be a class about HDTVs. I'm sure it would take up a whole term.

AZSpeechCoach · 11-12-2007, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Just another example of how the public school system is failing.

Because God knows that in between preparing the kids for the next standardized test, educating students on the latest TV technology is the highest priority in my English class.

DanGarion · 11-12-2007, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

There should be a class about HDTVs. I'm sure it would take up a whole term.

And I'm sure the general public would ignore it.

DanGarion · 11-12-2007, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew

[ rant]

I am tired of explaining the switchover to the uneducated people of america. I am tired of explaining how there are no longer vcr's that you can just screw in the cable and record. No I don't know how much a converter box is going to be. No idea what the cable company is going to do. I know you hate paying extra for a cable box. Yes, the traditional analog vcr is now illegal to make. No, I'm not lying to you.
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They have done a pisspoor job of explaining this thing to the majority of people I encounter every day. Granted I wonder how most of these people can even dress themselves.

I mean, if you were an antenna only person, this changeover thing is probably one the greatest things(ther than HD) since the inception of the TV.

FYI, my understanding is that cable providers are required to offer analog content for a couple years after the digital change. Which sucks because that is a whole bunch of MHz that we will be wasting at 6 MHz a TV station.

JonInMiddleGA · 11-12-2007, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by AZSpeechCoach

Because God knows that in between preparing the kids for the next standardized test, educating students on the latest TV technology is the highest priority in my English class.

Y'know, I'm pretty sure that sound was the education crack passing right over your head.

Look at the quoted phrase again, see if you spot anything amiss.

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uneducated people of america

JediKooter · 11-12-2007, 02:12 PM

I think most consumers could care less about the technical details. Plain and simple, consumer Joe just wants to buy something they can plug in and be done with and not have to deal with some matrix on what will/wont work with what they currently have.

DanGarion · 11-12-2007, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JediKooter

I think most consumers could care less about the technical details. Plain and simple, consumer Joe just wants to buy something they can plug in and be done with and not have to deal with some matrix on what will/wont work with what they currently have.

Fortunately for Joe Customer, if they buy a TV today it will work.

ThunderingHERD · 11-12-2007, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

I'm really confused about all this too. I still record shows on my VCR, and I play video games with mono sound occasionally. So I really don't care about HD. If we're forced to get new TVs or some other bullshit, I'm not going to be happy.

If you're not getting your programming over the air you won't be affected. The transition isn't really about HDTV--digital broadcasts need not be HD--it's about freeing up radio frequencies by using more efficient digital transmissions.

If you want to use your old (analog) TV to pick up over-the-air broadcasts after the analog transmissions are shut off you'll need to have it hooked up to a digital tuner.

JediKooter · 11-12-2007, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by dangarion

Fortunately for Joe Customer, if they buy a TV today it will work.

That would be me

Well, a few months ago actually.

14ers · 11-13-2007, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by dangarion

Fortunately for Joe Customer, if they buy a TV today it will work.

I challenge this statement.

I do not think every new TV sold today comes with a built in HD tuner, and a built in HD antenna.

Never gonna happen. This whole change over reminds me of when the US had a mandate to change over to the metric system in the 70s. That never happened and this never will either.

ISiddiqui · 11-13-2007, 07:08 AM

IIRC, there is no need for a built in HD tuner. It is only a need for digital tuner... which is definately not the same as HD.

And you are incorrect about the comparison to metric switch over. This will happen. The TV companies are already gearing up for it. If you buy a new TV, it has a digital tuner.

DanGarion · 11-13-2007, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by 14ers

I challenge this statement.

I do not think every new TV sold today comes with a built in HD tuner, and a built in HD antenna.

Never gonna happen. This whole change over reminds me of when the US had a mandate to change over to the metric system in the 70s. That never happened and this never will either.

You fail to understand the change. All TVs sold in the US require a digital tuner not an HD tuner. Manufactures are already required to do this and places that sale TVs have been getting fined for selling older TVs that don't have them. This is a lot different then the metric system. Billions of dollars have already been spent by everyone to do this.

lighthousekeeper · 11-13-2007, 09:49 AM

The conversion to metric would have worked if every American were forced to buy a new $700 ruler.

MikeVic · 11-13-2007, 09:54 AM

Just switch to metric right now.

Pumpy Tudors · 11-13-2007, 10:00 AM

"...and Vinatieri is on to try a 43-meter field goal..."

SnDvls · 11-13-2007, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Just another example of how the public school system is failing.

well only because it should be The U.S. Americans

14ers · 11-13-2007, 07:55 PM

Maybe I am confused; Who is going to pay to replace all those Antennas that are mounted to the roofs of all those homes in the country? I thought you would need to replace your old roof mounted antenna, and that all TV stations would also be forced into buying new digital antennas.

My parents live in a town that still gets its TV signal from a roof mounted antenna. No fiber-optic cable companies, No digital signals, just small town TV stations rebroadcasting a signal that was transmitted miles away. These little TV stations are nothing more than simple amplifiers that do not even have a local news department.

I can't imagine the government forcing millions of people, especially the elderly, to give up their TVs. Especially in remote agricultural areas of the US.

Chuck · 11-13-2007, 08:03 PM

This may help explain the process.

http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/digitaltv.html

MikeVic · 11-13-2007, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

"...and Vinatieri is on to try a 43-meter field goal..."

Excellent.

MikeVic · 11-13-2007, 08:05 PM

Hey, can you change the system in Maximum Football?

davidlando1 · 11-13-2007, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

"...and Vinatieri is on to try a 43-meter field goal..."

"You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in Paris?"

14ers · 11-13-2007, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck

This may help explain the process.

http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/digitaltv.html

What does this mean?

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On February 17, 2009, federal law requires that all full-power television broadcast stations stop broadcasting in analog format and broadcast only in digital format. Here’s what these requirements will mean for you and your television viewing.

What is full-power?

Is this going to be a loop hole for all the small town TV stations out there?

DanGarion · 11-13-2007, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 14ers

Maybe I am confused; Who is going to pay to replace all those Antennas that are mounted to the roofs of all those homes in the country? I thought you would need to replace your old roof mounted antenna, and that all TV stations would also be forced into buying new digital antennas.

My parents live in a town that still gets its TV signal from a roof mounted antenna. No fiber-optic cable companies, No digital signals, just small town TV stations rebroadcasting a signal that was transmitted miles away. These little TV stations are nothing more than simple amplifiers that do not even have a local news department.

I can't imagine the government forcing millions of people, especially the elderly, to give up their TVs. Especially in remote agricultural areas of the US.

FYI, the only people telling you that you need a special antenna are the ones that sell you the TVs at Best Buy, etc.

The government is doing it, and they are going to offer vouchers for people to get the digital tuner equipment.

If you want to compare this to something the best comparison would be when we dropped the use of leaded gasoline. The old cars that needed the lead tend to have issues with valves, so people have to make upgrades or use additives to resolve the problem.

I can't think of any other analogy off the top of my head at this time.

ISiddiqui · 11-13-2007, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 14ers

What is full-power?

Is this going to be a loop hole for all the small town TV stations out there?

Your small town TV stations are going to be full power stations. Low power stations are basically public access:

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The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) created the Low Power Television (LPTV) service in 1982 to provide opportunities for locally-oriented television service in small communities. These communities may be in rural areas or may be individual communities within larger urban areas.

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LPTV stations are operated by diverse groups and organizations - high schools and colleges, churches and religious groups, local governments, large and small businesses and individual citizens. LPTV modes of operation and programming vary widely. These include satellite-delivered programming services,syndicated programs, movies and a wide range of locally-produced programs. LPTV stations sometimes tailor program segments or entire schedules to specific viewer groups (on the basis of age, language or particular interest).

http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/lptv.html

Raiders Army · 01-26-2009, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 14ers

I read Feb 2009 somewhere.

I will not believe it until I see it. Too many little stations that will not be able to afford the new HD towers.

QFT.

Fucking Obama. He got his Barackberry and now he hates technology.

Senate passes bill to delay digital TV switch - Tech and gadgets- msnbc.com

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WASHINGTON - The Senate on Monday voted unanimously to postpone the upcoming transition from analog to digital television broadcasting by four months to June 12.

The vote is a big victory for the Obama administration and Democrats in Congress, who have been pushing for a delay amid growing concerns that too many Americans won't be ready for the currently scheduled Feb. 17 changeover.

The Nielsen Co. estimates that more than 6.5 million U.S. households that rely on analog television sets to pick up over-the-air broadcast signals could see their TV sets go dark next month if the transition is not postponed.

"Delaying the upcoming DTV switch is the right thing to do," said Senate Commerce Committee Chairman Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., author of the bill to push back the deadline. "I firmly believe that our nation is not yet ready to make this transition at this time."

The issue now goes to the House. House Commerce Committee Chairman Henry Waxman, D-Calif., has scheduled a committee vote Tuesday on his own proposal to delay the digital transition.

President Barack Obama earlier this month called for the transition date to be postponed after the Commerce Department hit a $1.34 billion funding limit for government coupons that consumers may use to help pay for digital TV converter boxes. The boxes, which generally cost between $40 and $80 each and can be purchased without a coupon, translate digital signals back into analog ones for older TVs.

The National Telecommunications and Information Administration, the arm of the Commerce Department administering the program, is now sending out new coupons only as older, unredeemed ones expire and free up more money for the program. The NTIA had nearly 2.6 million coupon requests on a waiting list as of last Wednesday.

Jonathan Collegio, vice president for the digital television transition for the National Association of Broadcasters, argues that the Nielsen numbers may overstate the number of viewers who are not ready for the digital transition. He noted that the numbers exclude consumers who have already purchased a converter box but not yet installed it, as well as those who have requested coupons but not yet received them.

What's more, consumers who subscribe to cable or satellite TV service or who own a TV with a digital tuner will not lose reception.

Still Gene Kimmelman, vice president for federal policy at Consumers Union, argues that millions of Americans — particularly low-income and elderly viewers — will pay the price because "the government has failed to deliver the converter boxes these people deserve just to keep watching free, over-the-air broadcast signals."

In 2005, Congress required broadcasters to switch from analog to digital signals, which are more efficient, to free up valuable chunks of wireless spectrum to be used for commercial wireless services and interoperable emergency-response networks.

Republicans in both the House and Senate have raised concerns that a delay would confuse consumers, burden wireless companies and public safety agencies waiting for the airwaves that will be vacated and create added costs for television stations that would have to continue broadcasting both analog and digital signals.

Paula Kerger, president and CEO of the Public Broadcasting Service, estimates that delaying the digital TV transition to June 12 would cost public broadcasters $22 million.

But Rockefeller managed to ease some of these concerns by allowing broadcast stations to make the switch from analog to digital signals sooner than the June deadline if they choose and by permitting public safety agencies to take over vacant spectrum that has been promised to them as soon as it becomes available.

Take a page from Nike and just fucking do it. Barack Hussein Obama.

Raiders Army · 01-26-2009, 08:32 PM

You know, screw those 6.5 million households that couldn't get off their ass to switch over. That's what they deserve.

Oh, I forgot. We're in the era of mess up and it's okay. The government will make everything better.

PurdueBrad · 01-26-2009, 08:32 PM

Oh boy, can I please, please, please see more of those f-ing commercials warning us of the impending switch!?! Agreed, just do it, this has been a long time coming, if you're not there, you're S.O.L.

stevew · 01-26-2009, 08:35 PM

Motherfuckers

I had heard it might happen but was hoping iit would not.

DanGarion · 01-26-2009, 08:37 PM

Weird the news I heard earlier was that it was only extended 90 days, this appears to be the old bill that was delaying till June 12th... I'll have to look deeper into this if I get some time.

DanGarion · 01-26-2009, 08:42 PM

FYI...

FrogMan · 01-26-2009, 09:08 PM

I hate hulu... "We're sorry, currently our video library can only be streamed within the United States."

bleh

FM

MJ4H · 01-26-2009, 09:39 PM

That's too bad because that video is hilarious.

DanGarion · 01-26-2009, 09:52 PM

Yeah it's a followup to the original DTV one that they did. It's hilarious.

MrDNA · 01-26-2009, 10:14 PM

6.5 million people can't be wrong?

DanGarion · 01-26-2009, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MrDNA

6.5 million people can't be wrong?

When it's less then 2% of the population...

ISiddiqui · 01-26-2009, 10:30 PM

Hell, when 62,040,610 people were so wrong...

( United States presidential election, 2004 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )

DanGarion · 01-26-2009, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Hell, when 62,040,610 people were so wrong...

( United States presidential election, 2004 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )

But were they really?

stevew · 01-26-2009, 10:39 PM

The coupon program was an abject failure. For starters, they issued way too many coupons in the beginning. Which lead to not enough boxes. And because of the demand many people were unable to use theirs before it expired. Then you had a ton of people buying the boxes who didn't need them. We would get 3 to 4 dozen in and they would be gone in a day.

People were constantly mad that we were out of stock. And everyone else was out. Way too much of a hassle. Plus the shitty magnavox ones broke at a much higher rate than other electronic items.

This would hav worked much better as a mail in rebate program or as a one coupon at a time thing

Or no fuckin coupons at all for that manner. This whole thing is just a big clusterfuck

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molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	settle down

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molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	Dola - I though full digital conversion wasn't until 2009 sometime?

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stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	You should see how fucking pissed people get when I explain that they can't just buy a vcr, and that the only recorders with digital tuners are >200.

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MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	I'm really confused about all this too. I still record shows on my VCR, and I play video games with mono sound occasionally. So I really don't care about HD. If we're forced to get new TVs or some other bullshit, I'm not going to be happy.

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MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	Just switch to metric right now.

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14ers High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2006	Maybe I am confused; Who is going to pay to replace all those Antennas that are mounted to the roofs of all those homes in the country? I thought you would need to replace your old roof mounted antenna, and that all TV stations would also be forced into buying new digital antennas. My parents live in a town that still gets its TV signal from a roof mounted antenna. No fiber-optic cable companies, No digital signals, just small town TV stations rebroadcasting a signal that was transmitted miles away. These little TV stations are nothing more than simple amplifiers that do not even have a local news department. I can't imagine the government forcing millions of people, especially the elderly, to give up their TVs. Especially in remote agricultural areas of the US. __________________ I like the company I keep when I am alone. 'The Blonde Bomber'

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Chuck n00b Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Louisville, KY (actually Southern Indiana)	This may help explain the process. http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/digitaltv.html

11-13-2007, 08:05 PM	#32
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	Hey, can you change the system in Maximum Football?

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Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	You know, screw those 6.5 million households that couldn't get off their ass to switch over. That's what they deserve. Oh, I forgot. We're in the era of mess up and it's okay. The government will make everything better.

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PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Oh boy, can I please, please, please see more of those f-ing commercials warning us of the impending switch!?! Agreed, just do it, this has been a long time coming, if you're not there, you're S.O.L.

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stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Motherfuckers I had heard it might happen but was hoping iit would not.

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stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	The coupon program was an abject failure. For starters, they issued way too many coupons in the beginning. Which lead to not enough boxes. And because of the demand many people were unable to use theirs before it expired. Then you had a ton of people buying the boxes who didn't need them. We would get 3 to 4 dozen in and they would be gone in a day. People were constantly mad that we were out of stock. And everyone else was out. Way too much of a hassle. Plus the shitty magnavox ones broke at a much higher rate than other electronic items. This would hav worked much better as a mail in rebate program or as a one coupon at a time thing Or no fuckin coupons at all for that manner. This whole thing is just a big clusterfuck Last edited by stevew : 01-26-2009 at 10:43 PM.

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