So does this make me Pro- Child molestor?

Glengoyne · 10-25-2009, 10:22 PM

While eating dinner tonight, the door bell rings. I answer, and there is a fellow there with a flier and a clip board. He's doing a petition for someone running for school board. Fair enough. I'm game.

He says he is a neighbor, just around the corner. I don't know him...So I'm not really sure. He jumps in asking if I have kids in the school district. He apparently knows already. Then he points to a letter that all parents in the school district received this last week. Actually we received four copies between our two kids.

So the letter...that is what actually got me headed off on this trajectory of opposition. Apparently the guy who has been directing traffic while parking cars at football games for a few years is on Megan's list. Someone pointed this out to the district a week or two ago. As a result...there have been meetings and letters, and who knows how many meetings about the letters. Public outrage rules, and we know that someone might sue...so we have to take action. Well, I think this is much ado about nothing. I don't know what the guy did, but I don't think it is likely that anyone was saved from anything.

Back to the front step.

Him: So my friend is a Sherrif, and he's the one who got the ball rolling on this. Now he's running for school board, and I'm getting signatures..

So here's where I let my opinion and my need to communicate it get way too much air time. "Oh yeah I did get that letter, I think the reaction of the district to a bunch of concerned citizens amounts to a huge waste of the school district's resources, and an unnecessary distraction to what they should be spending time on."

So now he's taken back. "Well you know what Megan's law is right?. He was on that list."

Me:"Yeah, I'm pretty sure the letter said he had committed a misdemeanor. I don't know what it was, but I'm not willing to jump to the conclusion that this guy was a danger to children. Other people do that"

"Well yeah but a misdemeanor sexual offense. You know when it comes down to it, it is just irresponsible that the district allowed this to happen. It is a matter of policy. That's why my friend and bunch of us sent that letter to the school"

Me: "Look, I don't want to argue with you about this. I'm just saying that I don't think the fact that a contracted security guard appears on this list is a sign that the district doesn't have policy in place."

At this point. I think the guy is incredulous. Yet he still wants to me sign his petition.

So I help him out. "I really don't think your friend is a hero over this, and I'm not big on him riding the coat-tails of this situation into some sort of public office. I'm not going to sign"

So now I'm positive I'm the first person to show any sign of resistance because he still tried to hand me a flier. He even tried to re-engage me in conversation.

At this point I'm torn between taking the flier, so I can tell him I " this way I won't forget who not to vote for" and just saying no again. I took the high road, and shut the door as I again said I wasn't interested.

SO all in all...Am I the pro child molestor guy in the neighborhood? I'm wondering if there are consequences to that label.

JediKooter · 10-25-2009, 10:33 PM

Like you said, what did the guy do to get on the list? Heck, people are having to register as sex offenders for the rest of their lives because they mooned someone.

TargetPractice6 · 10-25-2009, 10:35 PM

Yeah, a friend of mine got put on the sex offender list for streaking through his neighborhood in high school.

Tigercat · 10-25-2009, 10:58 PM

I echo those sentiments, just because someone committed an offense that was deemed as in the realm of sexual offenses doesn't mean he/she is a danger to children. That is like hiding children from someone who once upon a time committed assault in a bar fight because he might start randomly hitting children. The information on offenses is out there for a reason, so people know what they are dealing with and won't go irrationally ape shit. Of course it doesn't always work that way.

Karlifornia · 10-25-2009, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TargetPractice6

Yeah, a friend of mine got put on the sex offender list for streaking through his neighborhood in high school.

That is horrifying, and hits very close to home. One time I was playing Madden against this co-worker on his Gamecube. I never had a Gamecube, so it took a little while to get used to the controls. When I got used to the controls, I took a commanding 21 point lead. Midway through the 3rd quarter (we were using 5 minute quarters) he said something like "Get ready for the comeback". I was like "Yeah fucking right dude. If you come back and win, I'll run down the street naked.". Sure enough, I choked the lead away and lost the game in the final moments. Being a man of my word, I immediately stripped off all my clothes in front of him, my girlfriend, and our two roommates, went down the stairs, and ran down the street. I got about a half a block away, and then I saw a car coming, so I ran back towards the house. It was so cold that night.

It's terrible to think I'd have to register as a sex offender because my soft zone coverage was picked apart late.

tarcone · 10-25-2009, 11:03 PM

A guy I know is on the sex offenders list for peeing in public. He was in the bushes and got caught.

panerd · 10-25-2009, 11:05 PM

What about the children!!!!!

M GO BLUE!!! · 10-25-2009, 11:06 PM

Maybe he put his thumb up some chick's butt.

Tigercat · 10-25-2009, 11:14 PM

He may have once stalked a woman by scheduling appointments on Outlook against her will. That is the kind of character I would want away from my children.

JediKooter · 10-25-2009, 11:40 PM

This country is really embarassing sometimes. Pissing in the bushes, streaking, mooning or flashing some boobies isn't anything near a sexual offense. Cite them for something else, but sexual offender? Puhlease.

Glengoyne · 10-25-2009, 11:59 PM

There are lots of reasons that someone could appear on that list. I've heard anecdotal stories like many of those above. I don't know. I do know that recently a woman in Fresno was barred from helping in her child's school room because she was identified as being on Megan's list. Her offense. When she was 18, she had sex with her 16 year old boy friend. Statutory rape. That is something that will fall off of the radar of criminal background checks for employment and the like...but Megan's list. You're there for life.

Regarding the rent-a-cop. I gotta believe that to get that job you have to pass a criminal background check. I think that what I described above is probably what happened. Whatever offense he did didn't trigger a warning on the criminal background check. Most only go back seven or ten years.

Lathum · 10-26-2009, 12:15 AM

I agree that those are all bogus reasons for being on a sex offender list, but if I heard Megan's Law and my kids school in the same sentence i would probably want that person removed regardless.

I also don't thing it is a good idea to piss off the sheriff's department

Izulde · 10-26-2009, 12:50 AM

Megan's Law and the attached list is one that needs to be thrown out. It's a permanent scarlet letter, often for inconsequential things, as others have noted.

Even if the stupid things were stricken from the list-making and more serious crimes were the criteria as the list likely originally intended, I still say it should be revoked. If you want to rehabilitate people and re-integrate them into society, don't put them on a giant fucking blackball list.

Lathum · 10-26-2009, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Izulde

Megan's Law and the attached list is one that needs to be thrown out. It's a permanent scarlet letter, often for inconsequential things, as others have noted.

Even if the stupid things were stricken from the list-making and more serious crimes were the criteria as the list likely originally intended, I still say it should be revoked. If you want to rehabilitate people and re-integrate them into society, don't put them on a giant fucking blackball list.

Sorry but you are either a child molester or out of your fucking mind

stevew · 10-26-2009, 01:00 AM

Child molesters should be on a separate list from violent sex offenders. And then Minor deviants(streakers, etc) should be humiliated with their name in the paper(and summary fine) and nothing more.

stevew · 10-26-2009, 01:00 AM

yeah, Izulde, you're fucking insane.

Lathum · 10-26-2009, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Izulde

Even if the stupid things were stricken from the list-making and more serious crimes were the criteria as the list likely originally intended, I still say it should be revoked. If you want to rehabilitate people and re-integrate them into society, don't put them on a giant fucking blackball list.

I just re-read this and honestly, it makes me lose all respect for you as a human being.

Lathum · 10-26-2009, 01:03 AM

dola- I do agree there shouldn't be a list, anyone who molests a child or sexually abuses a person should just be executed and save us all the trouble

stevew · 10-26-2009, 01:03 AM

Izulde · 10-26-2009, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

dola- I do agree there shouldn't be a list, anyone who molests a child or sexually abuses a person should just be executed and save us all the trouble

You could make the argument that in some ways, execution is less cruel a punishment than this branding of the list.

stevew · 10-26-2009, 01:11 AM

Please.

Lathum · 10-26-2009, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Izulde

You could make the argument that in some ways, execution is less cruel a punishment than this branding of the list.

fine by me.

anyone that questions this law is bat shit insane, there are some things that don't deserve second chances. Fuck rehabilitation, I have zero sympathy for any of those people.

Izulde · 10-26-2009, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Please.

What? You don't think so? It's pretty damned hard to live a normal life when, if everywhere you go, everybody's going to be aware of that aspect of your past. The situation in the OP is a perfect example. Suddenly your job's being threatened, people are shunning you and treating you as a pariah and you can't go anywhere else in the United States because the same thing will happen no matter where you go.

Personally, if I was ever put on Megan's List, I'd go live in another country.

EagleFan · 10-26-2009, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Izulde

Megan's Law and the attached list is one that needs to be thrown out. It's a permanent scarlet letter, often for inconsequential things, as others have noted.

Even if the stupid things were stricken from the list-making and more serious crimes were the criteria as the list likely originally intended, I still say it should be revoked. If you want to rehabilitate people and re-integrate them into society, don't put them on a giant fucking blackball list.

You could not be more wrong.

I had a longer post ready but really don't want to get into all that so I will leave it at my opening statement.

JonInMiddleGA · 10-26-2009, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Izulde

Personally, if I was ever put on Megan's List, I'd go live in another country.

And if you were on the list that's pretty much what a lot of people (and I might argue most) would really like for you to do, so it seems like we've got some common ground there.

Izulde · 10-26-2009, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

And if you were on the list that's pretty much what a lot of people (and I might argue most) would really like for you to do, so it seems like we've got some common ground there.

It does make me wonder what would happen if everyone currently on the list emigrated from the US.

JonInMiddleGA · 10-26-2009, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Izulde

It does make me wonder what would happen if everyone currently on the list emigrated from the US.

Other than people breathing just a little bit easier you mean?

Lathum · 10-26-2009, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Izulde

It does make me wonder what would happen if everyone currently on the list emigrated from the US.

would make it a much better place

Lathum · 10-26-2009, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Izulde

What? You don't think so? It's pretty damned hard to live a normal life when, if everywhere you go, everybody's going to be aware of that aspect of your past. The situation in the OP is a perfect example. Suddenly your job's being threatened, people are shunning you and treating you as a pariah and you can't go anywhere else in the United States because the same thing will happen no matter where you go.

Personally, if I was ever put on Megan's List, I'd go live in another country.

I had a long response typed up, but if you really are this ignorant no point in even trying to make sense of it to you.

Izulde · 10-26-2009, 01:42 AM

Okay, yeah, this is where I'm going to bow out of the thread. No one's going to change anyone's mind on this and it's only going to end badly.

It's a reason why I normally stay out of these kinds of threads.

Lathum · 10-26-2009, 01:59 AM

Probably a good idea, defending child molesters and sexual predators generally ends badly.

Shkspr · 10-26-2009, 02:11 AM

I think it's been pretty well established around here is that the only child molesters we are interested in defending are a) female, b) hot, and c) guilty of molesting only sexually mature teens.

M GO BLUE!!! · 10-26-2009, 02:50 AM

There should be two lists.

Naughty
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2.
3.
4.
5.

Nice
1.
2.

RainMaker · 10-26-2009, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Izulde

What? You don't think so? It's pretty damned hard to live a normal life when, if everywhere you go, everybody's going to be aware of that aspect of your past. The situation in the OP is a perfect example. Suddenly your job's being threatened, people are shunning you and treating you as a pariah and you can't go anywhere else in the United States because the same thing will happen no matter where you go.

Personally, if I was ever put on Megan's List, I'd go live in another country.

I can understand what you're saying. It's almost impossible to accilmate your way back into society.

Then again, I don't think that's a bad thing. What you are doing with the law is just informing people of the fact that you were convicted of something. Information is not bad and any issue you have with how these people are treated should be an issue with the people and not the law. Just as you believe that these people should have a chance to rehabilitate, the people in your neighborhood have the right to know. Is it a bad thing if you find out that the crossing guard was convicted of raping a girl your daughter's age?

If you don't want to be labeled a sex offender, don't become one. I think that's the simplest solution.

JediKooter · 10-26-2009, 02:59 AM

Steve Phillips should be on that list. What he did was seriously offensive...yuck!

Shkspr · 10-26-2009, 03:18 AM

On the original topic, the thing that might bother me is that if the neighbors are a particularly petty and Grundyish bunch, Glengoyne might well suffer the stigma of being labeled not just pro-child molester, but possibly a child molester himself. Why else wouldn't he sign the petition? It takes a certain amount of courage and conviction to stand up for someone you have no connection to and rail against the smallmindedness of society for equating crimes heinous and banal in their condemnation of that person. It takes much less courage on the part of others to assume Glengoyne had an ulterior motive, or a sympathy for the criminal, to make his stand.

Myself, I probably would have shrugged, said, "I'm not really a petition guy, I just don't wanna get involved," and closed the door. That leaves a very different impression on the guy getting signatures.

SackAttack · 10-26-2009, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

If you don't want to be labeled a sex offender, don't become one. I think that's the simplest solution.

What other crime, though, do we make giant lists and hound people out of house, home, employment, and if we can get that far, town for their presence on said list, though?

Is there a murderer's list somewhere I don't know about? A spousal assault list?

With virtually any other crime, there isn't that "scarlet letter." You lose certain rights, possibly, like voting and gun ownership, but you aren't put in a position where you can only live in certain areas, and can be forced out of your residence because the city decided to build something you're not allowed near in the area you live, say.

Look, if anything, doesn't that kind of behavior encourage recidivism? If someone commits a crime that gets them labeled as a sex offender, pays whatever penal debt society has mandated for the crime, and then finds that the next 30 years bring no stability because people want him removed from his job or evicted from his home or forced to live...anywhere but near "me" because of an event 30 years in the past, isn't it reasonable to say that he/she might consider a repeat of the crime just to get back behind bars where there is a twisted kind of stability?

I mean, at some point you either have to say that sex criminals cannot be rehabilitated, and thus should not be set free on society after their imprisonment, or that they can be successfully rehabilitated, and should be allowed the opportunity to prove that rehabilitation. There really is no middle ground.

A hybrid half-assed approach that says "Sure, you can go live outside the barbed wire, but you can't ever be part of society again" isn't good either for the sex offender or for society. I just don't see where there's any benefit to either party in such an approach.

CraigSca · 10-26-2009, 08:33 AM

While I'm no expert, isn't being a sex offender just a bit different? I mean, is it possible to be into molesting girls (or boys) at one age and then in the future not have that as part of your psyche? If you have a sexual interest in children, I'm not sure you can turn that off fully, can you?

And really, I think it comes down to the right to know by parents to make a choice as to whether they want to live in an area/work in a job/etc. where there are people who might take an active, deviant interest in their children. Children cannot protect themselves, so we need to give the parents as much information as possible.

Frankly - I'm torn. If there's any such thing as a one strike and you're out law, child molestation is it. Can molesters really be rehabbed? I don't know.

And while Izulde roots for "let's take them off the list because they have no way of assimilating into society" - they had that opportunity before they made the choice to molest a child. They made their bed.

DaddyTorgo · 10-26-2009, 09:00 AM

the recidivism rate for pedophiles and violent sex offenders is massive. they can't reacclimate to society.

note that i'm not talking about all sex offenders (because as noted there are a lot of BS things that fall under "sex offender"), but certainly with pedophiles and violent sex offenders I think the solution is to lock them up and throw away the key.

stevew · 10-26-2009, 09:00 AM

I was under the impression that an offender had to register for X number of years after his offense? Not usually a lifetime.

Shkspr · 10-26-2009, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

the recidivism rate for pedophiles and violent sex offenders is massive. they can't reacclimate to society.

note that i'm not talking about all sex offenders (because as noted there are a lot of BS things that fall under "sex offender"), but certainly with pedophiles and violent sex offenders I think the solution is to lock them up and throw away the key.

Okay, then let's make that the solution. Let's not release them into society and then a) pass laws that they can't live within half a mile of a school/daycare center/park, b) find out where they live, and c) build schools/daycare centers/playgrounds so that they can't live there. Let's not make them live in town close enough to report to a parole officer and then not actually let them live in the town. Let's not make then completely unemployable so they can't afford to move the hell away from our kids.

If we want to kill the fuckers, or lock them up forever, that's fine. That's great. But I have a hard time believing that this bureaucratic "death by a thousand cuts" shit does a damned thing to help. I'm surprised, frankly, that the list doesn't qualify as "cruel and unusual".

molson · 10-26-2009, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

What other crime, though, do we make giant lists and hound people out of house, home, employment, and if we can get that far, town for their presence on said list, though?

Is there a murderer's list somewhere I don't know about? A spousal assault list?

With virtually any other crime, there isn't that "scarlet letter." You lose certain rights, possibly, like voting and gun ownership, but you aren't put in a position where you can only live in certain areas, and can be forced out of your residence because the city decided to build something you're not allowed near in the area you live, say.

Look, if anything, doesn't that kind of behavior encourage recidivism? If someone commits a crime that gets them labeled as a sex offender, pays whatever penal debt society has mandated for the crime, and then finds that the next 30 years bring no stability because people want him removed from his job or evicted from his home or forced to live...anywhere but near "me" because of an event 30 years in the past, isn't it reasonable to say that he/she might consider a repeat of the crime just to get back behind bars where there is a twisted kind of stability?

I mean, at some point you either have to say that sex criminals cannot be rehabilitated, and thus should not be set free on society after their imprisonment, or that they can be successfully rehabilitated, and should be allowed the opportunity to prove that rehabilitation. There really is no middle ground.

A hybrid half-assed approach that says "Sure, you can go live outside the barbed wire, but you can't ever be part of society again" isn't good either for the sex offender or for society. I just don't see where there's any benefit to either party in such an approach.

Every crime is public record. There's plenty of apartment complexes, HOAs, jobs that do criminal record checks and won't hire you/let you live there if you're a felon - any kind of felon.

With sex offenders, we just make that information a little more accessible, with is 100% appropriate when you consider the recidivism rates of those crimes.

Of course, even without a "sex offender registry", I guarantee that there would be civilian groups that would setup websites to track these people (I think there are anyway)

Being a felon limits your opportunities in life. Being a sex offender limits them even further. That's really the choice our society has made.

Marc Vaughan · 10-26-2009, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by M GO BLUE!!!

There should be two lists.

Naughty
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

Nice
1.
2.

And before anything is done - they don't just check it once they check it twice? .....

DaddyTorgo · 10-26-2009, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Shkspr

Okay, then let's make that the solution. Let's not release them into society and then a) pass laws that they can't live within half a mile of a school/daycare center/park, b) find out where they live, and c) build schools/daycare centers/playgrounds so that they can't live there. Let's not make them live in town close enough to report to a parole officer and then not actually let them live in the town. Let's not make then completely unemployable so they can't afford to move the hell away from our kids.

If we want to kill the fuckers, or lock them up forever, that's fine. That's great. But I have a hard time believing that this bureaucratic "death by a thousand cuts" shit does a damned thing to help. I'm surprised, frankly, that the list doesn't qualify as "cruel and unusual".

i wouldn't go so far as to say I have sympathy for the assholes, but i do understand what you're saying - WTF are they supposed to do, how are they supposed to live/work in normal society as it stands right now. like i said, not that i have sympathy, but i can imagine that it's got to be very very difficult in order to find places to live/work/shop that don't result in you breaking the conditions of your parole

Chubby · 10-26-2009, 09:53 AM

damn, isn't anyone else forced to watch SVU by their wife?

Airhog · 10-26-2009, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew

I was under the impression that an offender had to register for X number of years after his offense? Not usually a lifetime.

In oklahoma it depends on the offense. some offenses get you a lifetime, others a few years

Lathum · 10-26-2009, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i wouldn't go so far as to say I have sympathy for the assholes, but i do understand what you're saying - WTF are they supposed to do, how are they supposed to live/work in normal society as it stands right now. like i said, not that i have sympathy, but i can imagine that it's got to be very very difficult in order to find places to live/work/shop that don't result in you breaking the conditions of your parole

thankfully I have never been in that position, but before you think about how difficult it is for these people to live a normal life think about how difficult it is for the victims of their crimes to lead a normal life.

I have had people very close to me be sexually assaulted, and they were never the same again.

Subby · 10-26-2009, 10:41 AM

I can't handle people knocking on my door. It just feels like an invasion of privacy and I am automatically on the defensive when it happens.

Halloween would be an exception. Seriously, though....get the fuck off of my lawn.

Passacaglia · 10-26-2009, 10:41 AM

How many people check this list, anyway? For all I know, someone in the same building could be on it, and since I don't check, I have no idea.

A guy from my high school is on the list. I heard he changed his name because of the list, but it looks like the list has his new name, so that's cool. I thought he was kind of a creepy guy when I was in HS with him, but it's not like I suspected him or anything.

Passacaglia · 10-26-2009, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Subby

I can't handle people knocking on my door. It just feels like an invasion of privacy and I am automatically on the defensive when it happens.

Halloween would be an exception. Seriously, though....get the fuck off of my lawn.

Seriously. The guy (according to Glengoyne) "jumps in" to his house, and expects people to be worried about someone *else*?

10-25-2009, 10:33 PM	#2
JediKooter Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: San Diego via Sausalito via San Jose via San Diego	Like you said, what did the guy do to get on the list? Heck, people are having to register as sex offenders for the rest of their lives because they mooned someone. __________________ I'm no longer a Chargers fan, they are dead to me Coming this summer to a movie theater near you: The Adventures of Jedikooter: Part 4

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Tigercat College Starter Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Federal Way, WA	I echo those sentiments, just because someone committed an offense that was deemed as in the realm of sexual offenses doesn't mean he/she is a danger to children. That is like hiding children from someone who once upon a time committed assault in a bar fight because he might start randomly hitting children. The information on offenses is out there for a reason, so people know what they are dealing with and won't go irrationally ape shit. Of course it doesn't always work that way. Last edited by Tigercat : 10-25-2009 at 11:00 PM.

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JediKooter Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: San Diego via Sausalito via San Jose via San Diego	This country is really embarassing sometimes. Pissing in the bushes, streaking, mooning or flashing some boobies isn't anything near a sexual offense. Cite them for something else, but sexual offender? Puhlease. __________________ I'm no longer a Chargers fan, they are dead to me Coming this summer to a movie theater near you: The Adventures of Jedikooter: Part 4

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Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I agree that those are all bogus reasons for being on a sex offender list, but if I heard Megan's Law and my kids school in the same sentence i would probably want that person removed regardless. I also don't thing it is a good idea to piss off the sheriff's department Last edited by Lathum : 10-26-2009 at 12:55 AM.

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Izulde Head Coach Join Date: Sep 2004	Megan's Law and the attached list is one that needs to be thrown out. It's a permanent scarlet letter, often for inconsequential things, as others have noted. Even if the stupid things were stricken from the list-making and more serious crimes were the criteria as the list likely originally intended, I still say it should be revoked. If you want to rehabilitate people and re-integrate them into society, don't put them on a giant fucking blackball list. __________________ 2006 Golden Scribe Nominee 2006 Golden Scribe Winner Best Non-Sport Dynasty: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty) Rookie Writer of the Year Dynasty of the Year: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty)

10-25-2009, 10:35 PM	#3
TargetPractice6 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Lexington, KY	Yeah, a friend of mine got put on the sex offender list for streaking through his neighborhood in high school.

10-25-2009, 11:03 PM	#6
tarcone Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pacific	A guy I know is on the sex offenders list for peeing in public. He was in the bushes and got caught.

10-25-2009, 11:05 PM	#7
panerd Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: St. Louis	What about the children!!!!!

10-25-2009, 11:06 PM	#8
M GO BLUE!!! Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2005	Maybe he put his thumb up some chick's butt.

10-25-2009, 11:14 PM	#9
Tigercat College Starter Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Federal Way, WA	He may have once stalked a woman by scheduling appointments on Outlook against her will. That is the kind of character I would want away from my children.

10-25-2009, 11:59 PM	#11
Glengoyne Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Fresno, CA	There are lots of reasons that someone could appear on that list. I've heard anecdotal stories like many of those above. I don't know. I do know that recently a woman in Fresno was barred from helping in her child's school room because she was identified as being on Megan's list. Her offense. When she was 18, she had sex with her 16 year old boy friend. Statutory rape. That is something that will fall off of the radar of criminal background checks for employment and the like...but Megan's list. You're there for life. Regarding the rent-a-cop. I gotta believe that to get that job you have to pass a criminal background check. I think that what I described above is probably what happened. Whatever offense he did didn't trigger a warning on the criminal background check. Most only go back seven or ten years.

10-26-2009, 01:00 AM	#15
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Child molesters should be on a separate list from violent sex offenders. And then Minor deviants(streakers, etc) should be humiliated with their name in the paper(and summary fine) and nothing more. Last edited by stevew : 10-26-2009 at 01:04 AM.

10-26-2009, 01:03 AM	#18
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	dola- I do agree there shouldn't be a list, anyone who molests a child or sexually abuses a person should just be executed and save us all the trouble

10-26-2009, 01:03 AM	#19
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	lol.

10-26-2009, 01:11 AM	#21
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Please.

10-26-2009, 01:42 AM	#30
Izulde Head Coach Join Date: Sep 2004	Okay, yeah, this is where I'm going to bow out of the thread. No one's going to change anyone's mind on this and it's only going to end badly. It's a reason why I normally stay out of these kinds of threads. __________________ 2006 Golden Scribe Nominee 2006 Golden Scribe Winner Best Non-Sport Dynasty: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty) Rookie Writer of the Year Dynasty of the Year: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty)

10-26-2009, 01:59 AM	#31
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Probably a good idea, defending child molesters and sexual predators generally ends badly.

10-26-2009, 02:11 AM	#32
Shkspr College Benchwarmer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Amarillo, TX	I think it's been pretty well established around here is that the only child molesters we are interested in defending are a) female, b) hot, and c) guilty of molesting only sexually mature teens.

10-26-2009, 02:50 AM	#33
M GO BLUE!!! Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2005	There should be two lists. Naughty 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. Nice 1. 2.

10-26-2009, 02:59 AM	#35
JediKooter Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: San Diego via Sausalito via San Jose via San Diego	Steve Phillips should be on that list. What he did was seriously offensive...yuck! __________________ I'm no longer a Chargers fan, they are dead to me Coming this summer to a movie theater near you: The Adventures of Jedikooter: Part 4

10-26-2009, 03:18 AM	#36
Shkspr College Benchwarmer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Amarillo, TX	On the original topic, the thing that might bother me is that if the neighbors are a particularly petty and Grundyish bunch, Glengoyne might well suffer the stigma of being labeled not just pro-child molester, but possibly a child molester himself. Why else wouldn't he sign the petition? It takes a certain amount of courage and conviction to stand up for someone you have no connection to and rail against the smallmindedness of society for equating crimes heinous and banal in their condemnation of that person. It takes much less courage on the part of others to assume Glengoyne had an ulterior motive, or a sympathy for the criminal, to make his stand. Myself, I probably would have shrugged, said, "I'm not really a petition guy, I just don't wanna get involved," and closed the door. That leaves a very different impression on the guy getting signatures.

10-26-2009, 08:33 AM	#38
CraigSca Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Not Delaware - hurray!	While I'm no expert, isn't being a sex offender just a bit different? I mean, is it possible to be into molesting girls (or boys) at one age and then in the future not have that as part of your psyche? If you have a sexual interest in children, I'm not sure you can turn that off fully, can you? And really, I think it comes down to the right to know by parents to make a choice as to whether they want to live in an area/work in a job/etc. where there are people who might take an active, deviant interest in their children. Children cannot protect themselves, so we need to give the parents as much information as possible. Frankly - I'm torn. If there's any such thing as a one strike and you're out law, child molestation is it. Can molesters really be rehabbed? I don't know. And while Izulde roots for "let's take them off the list because they have no way of assimilating into society" - they had that opportunity before they made the choice to molest a child. They made their bed. __________________ She loves you, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah! She loves you, yeah! how do you know? how do you know?

10-26-2009, 09:00 AM	#39
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	the recidivism rate for pedophiles and violent sex offenders is massive. they can't reacclimate to society. note that i'm not talking about all sex offenders (because as noted there are a lot of BS things that fall under "sex offender"), but certainly with pedophiles and violent sex offenders I think the solution is to lock them up and throw away the key. __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature.

10-26-2009, 09:53 AM	#45
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	damn, isn't anyone else forced to watch SVU by their wife?

10-26-2009, 10:41 AM	#48
Subby lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: sans pants	I can't handle people knocking on my door. It just feels like an invasion of privacy and I am automatically on the defensive when it happens. Halloween would be an exception. Seriously, though....get the fuck off of my lawn. __________________ Superman was flying around and saw Wonder Woman getting a tan in the nude on her balcony. Superman said I going to hit that real fast. So he flys down toward Wonder Woman to hit it and their is a loud scream. The Invincible Man scream what just hit me in the ass!!!!! I do shit, I take pictures, I write about it: chrisshue.com

10-26-2009, 10:41 AM	#49
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	How many people check this list, anyway? For all I know, someone in the same building could be on it, and since I don't check, I have no idea. A guy from my high school is on the list. I heard he changed his name because of the list, but it looks like the list has his new name, so that's cool. I thought he was kind of a creepy guy when I was in HS with him, but it's not like I suspected him or anything.

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