Ot- Hattrick (sorry)

Qwikshot · 04-11-2003, 12:09 PM

Okay...I'm working with mybestteam.

I need help from all my hattrick comrades.

Lineup Strength=Am I looking for the highest rate here?

Lineup strength
Overall:37.83%
Left Defence:47.66%
Central Defence:38.77%
Right Defence:31.16%
Midfield:52.26%
Left Attack:19.7%
Central Attack:49.17%
Right Attack:19.53%

This is an altered 3-4-3
Should you have both your wingers at towards middle, would this severly kill your team (I have three solid defenders, two passable defending wingbacks) Would I be destroyed?!? My three passable forwards would look fantastic central attack, but could I be shut down vs a strong defense.

Lineup strength
Overall:43.23%
Left Defence:59.1%
Central Defence:55.28%
Right Defence:57.76%
Midfield:39.76%
Left Attack:16.66%
Central Attack:32.94%
Right Attack:19.59%

This is a 5-3-2, a better overall, but severe losses at defense and central attack (would I be praying for a goal here?)

Lineup strength
Overall:40.53%
Left Defence:47.33%
Central Defence:39.12%
Right Defence:31.71%
Midfield:58.59%
Left Attack:19.84%
Central Attack:37.96%
Right Attack:47.23%

My basic 3-5-2. Not as sound defensive, but the mids are dangerous. I have a right attack as well.

Finally:

Lineup strength
Overall:38.32%
Left Defence:47.33%
Central Defence:49.06%
Right Defence:45.47%
Midfield:63.18%

Left Attack:19.73%
Central Attack:19.37%
Right Attack:2.65%

4-5-1, this proves I need another winger badly. But here we have a dominant mid, and strong defense, but no way will be score goals unless the luck of the crawfish (er...) is upon us.

What I'm really asking is are left and right attack, the relation of wingers rather than forwards, is central attack mids and forwards?
Which is better to have (in relation to different tactics)?
When I do my bestteam, am I looking for a better overall, or a better mid since mid is so vital?
Should I also shoot for a strong central attack? or spread it out a little?

My opponent for this weekend :

Midfield: inadequate
Right Side Defence: inadequate
Central Defence: excellent
Left Side Defence: solid
Right Side Attack: inadequate
Central Attack: inadequate
Left Side Attack: passable

looks like I may want to use an asymetric 3-5-2 against this guy and pick apart the right side defense, would this be considered my best and only bet? (so move my one wingback I take it the left one, to midfield?!?)

Just figuring out my best chance against him, and then the really tough div3 team weds...grrrr.

bbor · 04-11-2003, 12:35 PM

4-5-1!!!!!!!

Qwikshot · 04-11-2003, 01:19 PM

This is what Ring of Fire did in his last league match...

WB Right -2.5 star - extra mid
CD1-1.5 star - normal
CD2-1.5 star -normal
WB Left - towards mid

Wingers set on offensive (right at 2 stars, left at 3)
Mids - normal (both 2's)

Forwards - normal (2 for the right, 2.5 left)

Should I attack his right, so I should up my left side?

As for the cup match:

Eructadores FC
Player rating and Team formation
Midfield: excellent
Right Side Defence: brilliant
Central Defence: outstanding
Left Side Defence: formidable
Right Side Attack: solid
Central Attack: solid
Left Side Attack: solid

(UGH)

My only hope is this...

Eructadores FC
Player rating and Team formation
Midfield: weak
Right Side Defence: formidable
Central Defence: excellent
Left Side Defence: solid
Right Side Attack: passable
Central Attack: passable
Left Side Attack: solid

He sends out his scrubs on Cup matchs...so I may have a chance. I would probably go 3-5-2 or 4-5-1...

Thanks for any advice, or help.

Nyarlahotep · 04-11-2003, 01:19 PM

Here are the rules that are relevant:

A normal case Part of team Factors (most important first)
Midfield:
Playmaking inner midfielders
Playmaking wingers
Attack Left wing:
Winger Left winger
Scoring forwards
Passing left winger
Passing left inner midfielder
Winger left wing back
Defence - Left wing:
Goaltending Goalkeeper
Defending left wing back
Defending left central defender
Defending Left winger
Defending left inner midfielder
Attack Centre:
Scoring forwards
Passing forwards
Passing Inner midfielders
Defence Centre:
Goaltending goalkeeper
Defending central defenders
Defending left- and right wing back
Defending inner midfielders
Defending left and right winger
Attack Right wing:
Winger right winger
Scoring forwards
Passing right winger
Passing inner midfielder
Winger right wing back
Defence Right wing:
Goalkeeping goalkeeper
Defending right wing back
Defending right central defender
Defending right winger
Defending right inner midfielder

Individual orders Position Tactics Effect
Wing back Offensive More Winger, an ounce of playmaking, less Defending
Defensive More Defending, less Winger
Centre More Defending to the middle, less Defending to the side, less Winger
Central defender Offensive A certain amount of Midfield, less Defending
Go wide Less Defending to the middle, more Defending to the side, a certain amount of Winger
Winger Offensive More Winger, less Defending
Defensive Less Winger, more Defending
Centre More Midfield, less winger
Inner midfielder Offensive More passing, less Defending
Defensive Less Passing, more Defending
Go wide Less midfield, more Winger
Forward Defensive A certain amount of Midfield, less Scoring

sterlingice · 04-11-2003, 01:56 PM

I've noticed that one of my attack sides is much stronger than the other solely because of my star winger being there and playing offensive so, yes, wingers contribute a lot. The forward in front of whichever wing I place him on will get 15 goals a year compared with a comprable talented forward getting 5 on the other side. Judge that for yourself.

I'm guessing you don't have any offensive guys on your wings, judging by those ratings so you are relying on your forwards to generate all of your offense. Make sure if you play something asymetrical that you remember his right side is weak so you can take defenders away and try to attack there.

Wow- that's a really tough cup team you're up against. He's strong across the board and, well, I hate to say it, but is probably going to beat you senseless unless he plays his scrubs. Heck, that team beats all but 2 or 3 FOFC'ers. Hell, his B team is a close game for my starters.

SI

Doug5984 · 04-11-2003, 03:38 PM

Since tactics are being discussed here...I thought this was as good a place as any to ask this question....
How would you go about defending against a 2-5-3, yes a 2-5-3...A team in my division has been running this formation for a few weeks now (it ruins his training correct?) but he also appears to be able to run this formation and it works pretty good...
Since he has been running this formation he has won his games 17-5, including a 8-1 win against a team in our division....
He has a wretched midfield, but puts up passable attack #s constantly.....
This is his team rankings from a recent game....
Player rating and Team formation
Midfield: wretched
Right Side Defence: poor
Central Defence: weak
Left Side Defence: inadequate
Right Side Attack: passable
Central Attack: passable
Left Side Attack: passable

I have put up a 44 on the NSI in my last 2 league games, should I even be worried about playing this guy? With my 4-5-1 my team does not score a lot so if the game were to turn into a shootout I have a feeling he would get the win....He uses the same 2 defenders everytime to go to midfield (left on the lineup screen), which side would I need to overload my attack to take advantage of this?

dacman · 04-11-2003, 04:01 PM

Doug --- if that's the same team I ran across last night he sets both of his central defender spots forward (one as a middie, one as a forward). I would attack this with a 3-5-2 if you can run it and set the opposite winger (opposite his pinched in wingback) offensive and put my best passing middie in central midfield and set him offensive as well. His central defense will be very weak so that's the spot to hammer him.

If it wasn't that team...well all of the above may be worthless. Eh.

Vince · 04-11-2003, 04:12 PM

Doug, in my opinion, if you run a 3-5-2, and your middies are any good, you'll slaughter him in the midfield if he's putting up wretched. Like dacman said, I'd set my guys to offensive where he pulls his defenders from...his defense will be so weak there that even in a 4-5-1 you could probably score at least a couple times.

And now for my own strategy question...

Luck and fortune have smiled upon me, as one of my middies popped to Solid playmaking this training period. Here he is:

Leo Beverly
43 000 US$, 20 years, poor form
Has disastrous experience and passable leadership abilities

Stamina: excellent Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: solid Passing: wretched
Winger: poor Defending: poor
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: inadequate

If only his form and passing were better...

My question lies in the importance of secondary attributes. How much would you worry about his Wretched passing and/or Poor defending? With Excellent Stamina and Solid Playmaking, I'd think he could be a 3* Inner Mid, which might be enough to push me into the 'inadequate' or 'passable' midfield range. Without him, I'm getting 'Weak' regularly (his form makes him a B squad player). However, since he's only 20 and Solid, I could probably sell him for a good chunk of change, right? I've got a bunch of money from a recent transfer (hell yeah Jeff Gooden

), so I'm sitting at $180,000 right now. If I sell him, I can expand my stadium without even going into debt. The way things look in my league, I'm going to contend for promotion this season (I've acquired 50 new Supporters in the last 2 weeks, for a total of 550).

So after this long winded discussion...

What kind of performance should I expect out of him as an inner mid?
How much should I get for him on the transfer market if I decide to sell him?
Should I keep him or sell him?

EDIT: I know passable leadership isn't so much, but he's also a Popular guy...so he could be a clown on a team that lacks a solid leader.

EDIT PART DEUX: Sorry to threadjack...there's just so many threads about Hattrick that I cringe about creating new ones.

04-11-2003, 12:35 PM	#2
bbor Pro Starter Join Date: May 2001 Location: toronto	4-5-1!!!!!!! __________________ Pumpy Tudors Now that I've cracked and made that admission, I wonder if I'm only a couple of steps away from wanting to tongue-kiss Jaromir Jagr and give Bobby Clarke a blowjob.

04-11-2003, 01:19 PM	#3
Qwikshot Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: ...down the gravity well	This is what Ring of Fire did in his last league match... WB Right -2.5 star - extra mid CD1-1.5 star - normal CD2-1.5 star -normal WB Left - towards mid Wingers set on offensive (right at 2 stars, left at 3) Mids - normal (both 2's) Forwards - normal (2 for the right, 2.5 left) Should I attack his right, so I should up my left side? As for the cup match: Eructadores FC Player rating and Team formation Midfield: excellent Right Side Defence: brilliant Central Defence: outstanding Left Side Defence: formidable Right Side Attack: solid Central Attack: solid Left Side Attack: solid (UGH) My only hope is this... Eructadores FC Player rating and Team formation Midfield: weak Right Side Defence: formidable Central Defence: excellent Left Side Defence: solid Right Side Attack: passable Central Attack: passable Left Side Attack: solid He sends out his scrubs on Cup matchs...so I may have a chance. I would probably go 3-5-2 or 4-5-1... Thanks for any advice, or help. __________________ "General Woundwort's body was never found. It could be that he still lives his fierce life somewhere else, but from that day on, mother rabbits would tell their kittens that if they did not do as they were told, the General would get them. Such was Woundwort's monument, and perhaps it would not have displeased him." Watership Down, Richard Adams

04-11-2003, 01:19 PM	#4
Nyarlahotep College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2003	Here are the rules that are relevant: A normal case Part of team Factors (most important first) Midfield: Playmaking inner midfielders Playmaking wingers Attack Left wing: Winger Left winger Scoring forwards Passing left winger Passing left inner midfielder Winger left wing back Defence - Left wing: Goaltending Goalkeeper Defending left wing back Defending left central defender Defending Left winger Defending left inner midfielder Attack Centre: Scoring forwards Passing forwards Passing Inner midfielders Defence Centre: Goaltending goalkeeper Defending central defenders Defending left- and right wing back Defending inner midfielders Defending left and right winger Attack Right wing: Winger right winger Scoring forwards Passing right winger Passing inner midfielder Winger right wing back Defence Right wing: Goalkeeping goalkeeper Defending right wing back Defending right central defender Defending right winger Defending right inner midfielder Individual orders Position Tactics Effect Wing back Offensive More Winger, an ounce of playmaking, less Defending Defensive More Defending, less Winger Centre More Defending to the middle, less Defending to the side, less Winger Central defender Offensive A certain amount of Midfield, less Defending Go wide Less Defending to the middle, more Defending to the side, a certain amount of Winger Winger Offensive More Winger, less Defending Defensive Less Winger, more Defending Centre More Midfield, less winger Inner midfielder Offensive More passing, less Defending Defensive Less Passing, more Defending Go wide Less midfield, more Winger Forward Defensive A certain amount of Midfield, less Scoring Last edited by Nyarlahotep : 04-11-2003 at 01:22 PM.

04-11-2003, 01:56 PM	#5
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	I've noticed that one of my attack sides is much stronger than the other solely because of my star winger being there and playing offensive so, yes, wingers contribute a lot. The forward in front of whichever wing I place him on will get 15 goals a year compared with a comprable talented forward getting 5 on the other side. Judge that for yourself. I'm guessing you don't have any offensive guys on your wings, judging by those ratings so you are relying on your forwards to generate all of your offense. Make sure if you play something asymetrical that you remember his right side is weak so you can take defenders away and try to attack there. Wow- that's a really tough cup team you're up against. He's strong across the board and, well, I hate to say it, but is probably going to beat you senseless unless he plays his scrubs. Heck, that team beats all but 2 or 3 FOFC'ers. Hell, his B team is a close game for my starters. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

04-11-2003, 04:01 PM	#7
dacman College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: speak to the trout	Doug --- if that's the same team I ran across last night he sets both of his central defender spots forward (one as a middie, one as a forward). I would attack this with a 3-5-2 if you can run it and set the opposite winger (opposite his pinched in wingback) offensive and put my best passing middie in central midfield and set him offensive as well. His central defense will be very weak so that's the spot to hammer him. If it wasn't that team...well all of the above may be worthless. Eh. __________________ No signatures allowed.

04-11-2003, 03:38 PM	#6
Doug5984 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Louisiana	Since tactics are being discussed here...I thought this was as good a place as any to ask this question.... How would you go about defending against a 2-5-3, yes a 2-5-3...A team in my division has been running this formation for a few weeks now (it ruins his training correct?) but he also appears to be able to run this formation and it works pretty good... Since he has been running this formation he has won his games 17-5, including a 8-1 win against a team in our division.... He has a wretched midfield, but puts up passable attack #s constantly..... This is his team rankings from a recent game.... Player rating and Team formation Midfield: wretched Right Side Defence: poor Central Defence: weak Left Side Defence: inadequate Right Side Attack: passable Central Attack: passable Left Side Attack: passable I have put up a 44 on the NSI in my last 2 league games, should I even be worried about playing this guy? With my 4-5-1 my team does not score a lot so if the game were to turn into a shootout I have a feeling he would get the win....He uses the same 2 defenders everytime to go to midfield (left on the lineup screen), which side would I need to overload my attack to take advantage of this?

04-11-2003, 04:12 PM	#8
Vince Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Willow Glen, CA	Doug, in my opinion, if you run a 3-5-2, and your middies are any good, you'll slaughter him in the midfield if he's putting up wretched. Like dacman said, I'd set my guys to offensive where he pulls his defenders from...his defense will be so weak there that even in a 4-5-1 you could probably score at least a couple times. And now for my own strategy question... Luck and fortune have smiled upon me, as one of my middies popped to Solid playmaking this training period. Here he is: Leo Beverly 43 000 US$, 20 years, poor form Has disastrous experience and passable leadership abilities Stamina: excellent Keeper: disastrous Playmaking: solid Passing: wretched Winger: poor Defending: poor Scoring: weak Set Pieces: inadequate If only his form and passing were better... My question lies in the importance of secondary attributes. How much would you worry about his Wretched passing and/or Poor defending? With Excellent Stamina and Solid Playmaking, I'd think he could be a 3* Inner Mid, which might be enough to push me into the 'inadequate' or 'passable' midfield range. Without him, I'm getting 'Weak' regularly (his form makes him a B squad player). However, since he's only 20 and Solid, I could probably sell him for a good chunk of change, right? I've got a bunch of money from a recent transfer (hell yeah Jeff Gooden ), so I'm sitting at $180,000 right now. If I sell him, I can expand my stadium without even going into debt. The way things look in my league, I'm going to contend for promotion this season (I've acquired 50 new Supporters in the last 2 weeks, for a total of 550). So after this long winded discussion... What kind of performance should I expect out of him as an inner mid? How much should I get for him on the transfer market if I decide to sell him? Should I keep him or sell him? EDIT: I know passable leadership isn't so much, but he's also a Popular guy...so he could be a clown on a team that lacks a solid leader. EDIT PART DEUX: Sorry to threadjack...there's just so many threads about Hattrick that I cringe about creating new ones. __________________ Every time a Dodger scores a run, an angel has its wings ripped off by a demon, and is forced to tearfully beg the demon to cauterize the wounds.The demon will refuse, and the sobbing angel will lie in a puddle of angel blood and feathers for eternity, wondering why the Dodgers are allowed to score runs.That’s not me talking: that’s science. McCoveyChronicles.com. Last edited by Vince : 04-11-2003 at 04:24 PM.

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