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Old 03-07-2012, 09:59 PM   #1
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Hello again ol' friend: Simcity 5 introduced

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Nearly 10 years after the last major SimCity release, Maxis Emeryville and EA unveiled information yesterday about SimCity 4's upcoming successor.

The fifth version of the iconic SimCity is due in 2013, and features a large range of graphic and gameplay improvements over previous generations. One major new feature is multiplayer region support (for up to 16 players). Playing with friends enables challenges such as leaderboards and the ability to "launch a space shuttle or build magnificent wonders," according to EA.

Multiplayer relationships go much deeper, though. For example, you can send fire trucks to another region in a massive crisis. If your city turns into a smog-filled re-creation of Los Angeles, then Sims in a friend's area suffer and experience health problems.

City architects can also choose a theme for each city, such as a casino-heavy Vegas layout, an educational college town, or manufacturing mecca. These choices carry great influence over the "look, feel and core personality of your city," the official Web site says.

Another interesting tidbit about the new SimCity: builders can lay curvy roads, a capability the series sorely lacked prior.

We also see a great deal of chatter in the details about greatly enhanced Sims (due to an enhanced simulation engine called GlassBox): "Now every Sim has a purpose in the SimCity world, a home to go to, a job to work at, even stores to shop in." We hope this doesn't translate into endless pop-up messages during gameplay from concerned or annoyed citizens.

A preorder page for SimCity on Origin confirms several things: a $59.99 baseline retail cost, average system requirements, and a special digital deluxe version for $20 more.


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Old 03-07-2012, 10:28 PM   #2
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Graphically, very impressive. Haven't played SimCity since SimCity 2000.
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Old 03-08-2012, 07:14 AM   #3
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Might be the first PC game I buy since, well, Sim City 2000 (not counting text sims).
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Old 03-08-2012, 07:25 AM   #4
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I just watched the video.

I am completely nerding out.
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Old 03-08-2012, 07:32 AM   #5
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I haven't played this game since, I guess, the original version? It was definitely during college, so in the 1990-93 range. I don't think I ever revisited the game, or at least, I didn't get as absorbed by it as I was back then.
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Old 03-08-2012, 08:23 AM   #6
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Cannot wait to get this.
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Old 03-08-2012, 08:24 AM   #7
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Does anyone else take issue with the fact they've ALREADY announced varying levels of content for Deluxe / Limited Edition copies? Don't wanna shell out 80+ bucks for the game? No Euro style buildings for you. Superhero lairs? C'mon.

I worry this is gonna go the Sims route: 50 billion expansions and a very stripped down game that requires a buttload of DLC.
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Old 03-08-2012, 08:30 AM   #8
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Does anyone else take issue with the fact they've ALREADY announced varying levels of content for Deluxe / Limited Edition copies? Don't wanna shell out 80+ bucks for the game? No Euro style buildings for you. Superhero lairs? C'mon.

I worry this is gonna go the Sims route: 50 billion expansions and a very stripped down game that requires a buttload of DLC.

I'm sure you are right but one thing that would be great - and Maxis has done in the past - is to release mod tools for the game. They did it for SimCity 4 and the community has created a million things Maxis never built and are absolutely free.
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Old 03-08-2012, 08:47 AM   #9
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I'm sure you are right but one thing that would be great - and Maxis has done in the past - is to release mod tools for the game. They did it for SimCity 4 and the community has created a million things Maxis never built and are absolutely free.

How do you get that stuff? Thinking about firing up SimCity 4 this weekend.
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Old 03-08-2012, 08:48 AM   #10
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Sounds very interesting. Looking forward to MP with you guys.
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Old 03-08-2012, 08:50 AM   #11
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Usually at http://www.simtropolis.com but it is down this morning. Should be back up later today according tio twitter. Also, I just saw an article about modding on SimCity 5 and they said it would be fully supported.

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Old 03-08-2012, 08:52 AM   #12
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I'm sure you are right but one thing that would be great - and Maxis has done in the past - is to release mod tools for the game. They did it for SimCity 4 and the community has created a million things Maxis never built and are absolutely free.

Which is what scares me. The modding community ROCKED for Sim City 4, I'm worried that EA is going to go so heavy on DLC that they are gonna make it a colossal pain to mod. (I won't say impossible, because people will figure it out, but it will almost certainly restrict what is and isn't feasible).

Edit: Ah, read the above about them saying modding will be supported. Here's hoping. I'm still nervous though - this is EA.

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Old 03-08-2012, 09:08 AM   #13
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I haven't played this game since, I guess, the original version? It was definitely during college, so in the 1990-93 range. I don't think I ever revisited the game, or at least, I didn't get as absorbed by it as I was back then.

Yeah, I remember playing the original in college back in 1990, on a Tandy 1000. My roommate watched me play, and called it the stupidest thing he'd ever seen. He sat down and gave it a try, and didn't stop playing until 4am.
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Old 03-08-2012, 11:02 AM   #14
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Old 03-08-2012, 07:59 PM   #15
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Old 03-08-2012, 08:00 PM   #16
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What's getting me a little twitchy is that they seem to be pushing the whole eco-"Inconvenient Truth" endorsement angle a lot in the early press. Makes me think the game isn't going to be a game, but a tool to push a viewpoint and that it will mean that a successful city will only be achieved through specific approaches, no matter that they couldn't be achieved in the real world or not. For example, someone in one of the articles mentioned that people in your city would be unhappy if you built a coal plant. Fine, understandable. But, does the game consider the costs involved in trying to do things cleaner and will the citizens be unhappy if those costs are put back on them in the form of an increased tax burden or some other balancing mechanic, for example? Cities are the way they are for a reason. We may not be happy that we don't have a pristine environment, but we also aren't going to pay through the nose to get it, either. I worry that there will be this sort of utopian approach and that doing it any other way will be seen in some way as doing the misanthropic thing.
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Old 03-08-2012, 08:15 PM   #17
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Still doesn't look like you can grow from a small, agricultural trading village to a medium-sized industrial city to a modern high-tech city. I guess that would still be my dream SimCity game, as oppose to having to plan out a modern city right from the beginning.
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Old 03-08-2012, 08:16 PM   #18
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Old 03-08-2012, 08:22 PM   #19
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They're not going to fool me into this one. No matter what it looks like, it's still SimCity. Which means after about 15 minutes I'll realize that it is zero fun.
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Old 03-09-2012, 06:54 AM   #20
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Fired up SimCity 4 last night.

Can't wait for this game!
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Old 03-09-2012, 09:46 AM   #21
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please be on Mac, please be on Mac, please be on Mac...

My understanding is it will be on Mac and PC

I don't preorder games and I doubt I'll change that stance for this when there's a chance to do so...but I will certainly want to own it given I 've spent countless hours over the past near decade with SC4.
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Old 03-15-2012, 12:04 AM   #22
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So I noticed you can now preorder this on Impulse with an expected delivery date of 12/31/2013? Am I just naive or is this completely insane? For all I know EA could take my $60, use it on hookers and blow tomorrow for an employee party and then deliver a bat file that says "hello world" to my inbox in January 2014.

I guess it's no different than I do for OOTP most years, but at least there's not 18 months of development time in between for things to go horribly wrong and Markus is at least providing screenshots and some evidence that he's actually developing a new game, beyond some concept art and some youtube videos.
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Old 03-15-2012, 12:11 AM   #23
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For all I know EA could take my $60, use it on hookers and blow tomorrow for an employee party and then deliver a bat file that says "hello world" to my inbox in January 2014.

Short of maybe Rockstar, EA /is/ the company most likely to do that

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Old 03-15-2012, 06:14 AM   #24
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So I noticed you can now preorder this on Impulse with an expected delivery date of 12/31/2013? Am I just naive or is this completely insane? For all I know EA could take my $60, use it on hookers and blow tomorrow for an employee party and then deliver a bat file that says "hello world" to my inbox in January 2014.

This was my first thought as well.. anything can happen in 18 months.. just look at Diablo 3, i know guys who have had that on pre-order for over 6 months, and they just announced that it wont initially ship with PvP, which is 80% the reason people want the game!

Not to mention the recent furore of EA announcing some purchase DLC for The Sims Social which people purchased based on the item description, just to find it did absolutely nothing like what it was described to do after purchasing the item.....

i cant wait for the game being a huge sim city fan, but when i can pick up the copy and play it, i will buy it...

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Old 03-15-2012, 06:47 AM   #25
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I don't think I've played this game since I was about 12 years old. Gotta think it would be a very different experience than playing as an approaching 30 yo.
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Old 03-16-2012, 12:31 AM   #26
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i am over 30, and still get alot of enjoyment out of Sim City 4 when i fire it up.. i think as a 12 year old, you simply do not understand the strategy a game like sim city can offer..
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Old 03-16-2012, 08:39 AM   #27
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I still have my original Sim City box (1989) and have purchased every single version since. I think I posted a picture on here years ago of that original box (I'm a pack rat if you haven't guessed). I love this series and am hopeful they will do a great job with it. My expectations are high and there is great potential for them to make this a game I won't enjoy but I will definitely be getting this the minute it is out. I am dubious with all the DLC stuff but I do realize they need to make money so that the next version gets green-lighted.
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Old 03-20-2012, 09:42 AM   #28
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new video.

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Old 03-20-2012, 10:05 AM   #29
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Old 03-20-2012, 10:25 AM   #30
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If they do it it right, very excited about the addition of resources. That's basically a whole new game right there and I think will help it become more of a challenge and less of a sandbox
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Old 03-20-2012, 10:37 AM   #31
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That would still be an improvement over New Jersey.
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Old 03-28-2012, 07:37 AM   #32
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internet connection required to play

Doesn't bother me I use Steam all the time. Others may be upset.

Good news: If you want to download SimCity somewhere other than Origin, you'll have the option to do so. An EA representative confirmed with Joystiq that the title would be available for purchase on other digital distribution platforms, though a list of stores has yet to be finalized. SimCity is arriving sometime in 2013.

Lead designer Stone Librande confirmed that SimCity would be an internet-dependent experience. Players will need to be online on Origin while playing, even if that wasn't the point of purchase. The always-on connection becomes necessary with the game's emphasis on multiplayer and regional impact, and the use of a global economy that all players can influence.

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Old 03-28-2012, 09:20 AM   #33
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The always-on connection becomes necessary with the game's emphasis on multiplayer and regional impact, and the use of a global economy that all players can influence.

This takes me from first day purchase to wait and see.
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Old 03-28-2012, 01:15 PM   #34
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yeah...this has made me probably wait for a bargain bin sale. I hated Ubisoft for this doing this crap with their games and don't like this. Why can't they just make it a damn option? my internet is very unreliable and if it's anything like what Ubisoft did, the game won't work when it goes out.

Only EA could screw up Simcity this bad. I can't wait to see how they nickel and dime us with the DLC.
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The always-on connection becomes necessary with the game's emphasis on multiplayer and regional impact, and the use of a global economy that all players can influence.

I can think of few games that need a multiplayer option less than Sim City.

Sigh. Will not buy now.
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Old 03-28-2012, 02:16 PM   #36
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Yeah, I'll reserve judgement but it certainly doesn't sound like they are prioritizing anything that would make me want to buy the game
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Old 03-28-2012, 03:35 PM   #37
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The regions thing in SC4 was ok because i could build into other regions if I wanted to. But the way they are moving in development is just annoying. The great thing for me in sim city was that you got to build a city, solve it's problems, get it running properly, then encounter totally new problems as it got bigger and bigger. Having the region dependence lessened that enjoyment for me and having to depend on other players in the SC universe just about kills it. I hope there's like a curmudgeon mode for people who just want to build a city, one, simple city.
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Old 03-28-2012, 03:54 PM   #38
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I'm sure all the pirated copies won't require an Internet connection.

I can't believe this stuff still flies in 2012.
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Old 03-28-2012, 05:19 PM   #39
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In reality, I don't think this will be a problem for me. Hopefully I can just team up with my brother and build a region together. In principle, I freaking hate it when companies do this.
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I generally don't care, but civ and sim are exactly the type of games I play on my laptop without Internet.
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sounds a lot like the resource trading in Cities XL. I didn't spend much time playing that game, but IIRC you didn't HAVE to go online to trade with other region owners...but you wouldn't be able to max out your city without it.

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I can think of few games that need a multiplayer option less than Sim City.

Sigh. Will not buy now.

I think providing it as an option is great, but there's no way it should be required.
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I'm sure all the pirated copies won't require an Internet connection.

I can't believe this stuff still flies in 2012.

It's amazing that companies are still creating situations where people who pirate are going to be able to have a better experience than people who pay for the game.
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Also, what happens in a couple years when they shut down the servers(like for Madden, Tiger Woods,etc) How will we play this game 10 years down the line?
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Old 10-09-2012, 02:54 PM   #46
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That is a really, really depressing list, CW.
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Not being able to save your maps on the hard drive (you will not be able to reload the city to a stage prior to disasters).

Seriously?? Why must this game or any SP games for that matter depend upon an internet connection while playing? I understand for licensing and updates but all SP games should be able to play in off-line mode.
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Not being able to save your maps on the hard drive (you will not be able to reload the city to a stage prior to disasters).

Seriously?? Why must this game or any SP games for that matter depend upon an internet connection while playing? I understand for licensing and updates but all SP games should be able to play in off-line mode.

Because if you're not connected to EA's servers you might be able to install mods, and if you install a subway mod you won't need to buy the subway DLC for $9.99.
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Because if you're not connected to EA's servers you might be able to install mods, and if you install a subway mod you won't need to buy the subway DLC for $9.99.

Firaxis and Civ5 seem to do quite well playing offline while including mods and very popular DLCs.
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