Some Harris Voters hadn't even watched Utah play before last Friday

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  • fsquid
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    • Jul 2002
    • 17635

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    Some Harris Voters hadn't even watched Utah play before last Friday

    Thought this was enlightening.

    Utah out of sight, out of mind

    Why didn’t Utah merit consideration to play for the BCS national title?

    Why are the Utes, despite their 13-0 record, victories over four Associated Press top-25 teams and the champions of a conference that went 6-1 in the regular season against the Pac-10, watching one-loss teams Oklahoma and Florida play on Thursday?

    Just ask some of the voters in the Harris Interactive Poll, which helps determine the title-game matchup.

    “I did not see them play (in the regular season),” Bobby Aillet said.

    “I didn’t see any live games,” Lance McIlhenny said. “I just (saw) highlights.”

    “I don’t recall if I saw them play specifically during the regular season,” David Housel said. “I don’t remember a specific game.”

    Alliet, McIlhenny and Housel aren’t alone. It turns out there were a number of Harris Poll (and presumably coaches’ poll) voters who never saw Utah play this season. At least until the Utes manhandled Alabama in a way that Florida could only dream.

    That 31-17 victory in the Sugar Bowl didn’t just cap the program’s second perfect season in four years, it left people wondering why Utah wasn’t at least in the conversation for the title game.

    How did a team this good wind up a lowly sixth in the final BCS standings?

    The answer speaks to the illogical way college football crowns its champion, a system where perception, reputation and media hype can mean more than touchdowns and tackles.

    Utah could do the latter as well as anyone. It was non-competitive in the former – suffering from tired stereotypes, a lack of television exposure and the mind-numbing power of group think.

    Even by the absurd standards of the BCS, having voters not bother to watch an undefeated team play a single game is a new low.

    Whether Utah deserved to be ranked No. 1, 2 or 25 isn’t the point of this argument. The Utes deserved to have voters at least see them.

    The coaches and Harris polls make up two-thirds of the BCS rankings. The average of six computer formulas is the other third.

    Frustration with the BCS is often pointed at those faceless “computers.” It’s the human opinion polls, however, that are most subject to bias, laziness or disinterest.

    The computers can’t help but plug in Utah’s info. One of them even had the Utes ranked No. 2.

    The 61 voters in the coaches’ poll and 114 in the Harris weren’t as kind. They often voted on what they thought Utah might be, not what they saw Utah actually was. In a testament to copy-cat voting, almost everyone had the Utes between No. 7 and No. 10 in the polls.

    Then many tuned in Friday for what they admit was the very first time and saw reality wasn’t perception after all. This wasn’t some lucky mid-major team; the Utes were big, strong, fast and talented.

    “I wouldn’t say I probably was wrong. I was wrong,” said Housel, a former Auburn athletic director who had the Utes ranked 10th.

    Utah’s championship hopes for this season were dashed on July 1, 1978.

    That day the Pacific-8 Conference expanded. Rather than take Brigham Young and Utah, it went one state south and added Arizona and Arizona State.

    It cemented the opinion in the media – and thus the public and thus the coaches and Harris poll voters – that the only big-time sports league out west is the Pac-10. If you’re in it, you matter. If not, you might be a cute story, but you don’t.

    It’s the never-ending asterisk; one that Utah and the Mountain West Conference can’t seem to shake no matter how many perfect seasons, No. 1 draft choices of NFL MVPs it produces.

    It manifests itself not just in a skeptical eye of voters 30 years later, but in television contracts and media exposure.

    Utah played just one game on ESPN this season – a September victory at Michigan. It (and the rest of the leagues’) other games were carried on Versus and the league-owned MountainWest Sports Network., which reaches less than three million homes. Nationally, you needed a satellite system to watch the Utes.

    “I think you can find Utah if you want to find it,” Craig Thompson, the Mountain West commissioner, said.

    You can. And you’d think the BCS would require voters to do so. Naturally, it doesn’t.

    Instead, the BCS spreads the vote out to so many people while asking little in return. (One voter, NBC’s Don Criqui, didn’t even bother to cast a final ballot.)

    The BCS has no set rationale for how or why a school should be ranked – is it record, strength of schedule, whom it beat, whom it lost to, how it won, how it lost? The decision is up to each voter.

    The Harris voters are selected by conference offices. Most are media, former players or administrators. They are well-meaning but hold regular jobs and have their own busy schedules. This is a secondary (at best) thing and watching all the games is a challenge.

    “I don’t think I’m the only one that has that problem,” said Aillet, a retired SEC referee, who had Utah ranked ninth and said he might give up his vote next season. “I suspect most of the folks have that same problem.

    “It takes a lot of time to get it right, and sometimes I wonder if I’m doing it right.”

    Meanwhile, college coaches are admittedly biased and have little time to scout any team not on their schedule.

    In contrast, the 10-member NCAA men’s basketball selection committee meets throughout the season to compare notes and stay on top of hot teams. It demands comprehensive scouting, sets common criteria and even asks committee members to get out and see teams in person. Then they all meet and hash it out.

    While not devoid of controversy, the system is about as good as you can design.

    The BCS might be the worst.

    Thompson could only shrug off the frustration. He believes a 12-0 team from a league such as his will one day play in the BCS title game. This was a step toward gaining long-term credibility with voters and opinion makers.

    “Even if we were on national television it’d still be a fight because we don’t have that history,” Thompson said.

    The Mountain West had three teams ranked in the top 16 of the final BCS poll (the ACC and Big East each had one). It scored a number of notable out-of-conference victories, including strong success against the Pac-10. Yet reputations die hard.

    “I just thought that the Mountain West is not as tough a conference (as others),” McIlhenny, a former SMU player, said. “Apparently I was wrong.”

    Thompson knows that if a team went 12-0 in one of the six BCS automatic qualifying conferences, even ones that ranked lower than the MWC, they’d have gotten in without debate.

    “Sooner or later they’ve got to take notice,” he said. “You can’t say the Pac-10 was stronger than the Mountain West. The Pac-10 went 5-0 in bowl games, but head-to-head (in the regular season) we went 6-1.

    “If they start drilling down on it there’s nothing to say.”

    Sure, if you think BCS voters bother to drill down.

    The Mountain West doesn’t just suffer from a lack of game coverage on national television. It suffers for the lack of overall attention. ESPN, the 800-pound gorilla of college football hype, is notorious for promoting the games and teams that it broadcasts. This year that meant lots of Big 12 talk.

    “There’s definitely some self-serving there,” Thompson said.

    Utah didn’t receive the same attention. Even after the Alabama win, part of the debate on Sunday’s “Sports Reporters” (the ultimate barometer of East Coast media thinking) was how Utah simply couldn’t be that good because, well, because it’s Utah.

    “They don’t play in a good conference,” Bob Ryan of the Boston Globe claimed.

    In the BCS chase, media is everything since the voters admit to taking their cues from highlight shows and articles.

    The networks aren’t above playing favorites. Back in 2006, the CBS broadcast crew for the SEC championship game campaigned relentlessly on the air for Florida to be selected over Michigan.

    Color commentator Gary Danielson later said CBS only did it because ESPN was doing the same for Michigan and the Big Ten.

    If the Utes had a broadcaster campaigning for them this year it wouldn’t have mattered.

    The BCS voters didn’t trouble themselves to watch anyway.
  • SuperBowlNachos
    All Star
    • Jul 2004
    • 10218

    #2
    Re: Some Harris Voters hadn't even watched Utah play before last Friday

    The main reason why the BCS sucks. People complain about the computers, but the computer is the only part that actually "watches" every single game played.

    Pathetic.

    can you post a link please?

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    • Cebby
      Banned
      • Apr 2005
      • 22327

      #3
      Re: Some Harris Voters hadn't even watched Utah play before last Friday

      Even if everyone in the country watched every Utah game 5 times, they still weren't going to be ranked higher than Florida.

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      • Sportsforever
        NL MVP
        • Mar 2005
        • 20368

        #4
        Re: Some Harris Voters hadn't even watched Utah play before last Friday

        I'm as big Utah as anyone...I think they should be the Champs. I watched them twice this year aside from the bowl game and came away VERY unimpressed. Their game against TCU was very uninspiring. I don't know that it would have mattered if folks had watched them.
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        • wookie48
          Banned
          • Apr 2007
          • 1842

          #5
          Re: Some Harris Voters hadn't even watched Utah play before last Friday

          WOW! That is crap! Love how an team and its athletes are measured on the factor if a voter was in the stands or watching the game. Playoffs are needed bad becasue this voter crap is out of control and putting sour tastes in every fans mouth

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          • J0nnD0ugh
            Hall Of Fame
            • Feb 2003
            • 16602

            #6
            Re: Some Harris Voters hadn't even watched Utah play before last Friday

            Big surprise. Not. There are approx. 120 FBS teams, potentially 60 games per week if no one played FPS schools. Times 12 weeks, plus conf title games. 700+ games a year. There's no way anyone could watch each team's games & make a fair assesment against a variety of opponents. Alot of us are jumping on the pollsters now, but when we were given our own chance to weigh in on Utah, we voted them 7th. http://www.operationsports.com/forum...2-08-08-a.html All this does is show the stupidity of letting opinions decide a "champion". Which is why I said earlier in the season, as far as I'm concerned, there's never been a national champion in football.
            Originally posted by VP Richard M. Nixon
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            • PSU_DW2
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              • Oct 2005
              • 1081

              #7
              Re: Some Harris Voters hadn't even watched Utah play before last Friday

              Originally posted by J0nnD0ugh
              All this does is show the stupidity of letting opinions decide a "champion". Which is why I said earlier in the season, as far as I'm concerned, there's never been a national champion in football.
              I agree that the BCS has created problems when it comes to voting. It's because the voting creates the matchups. It's not even about winning your conference on the field anymore, which is sad.

              Before the BCS, voting existed but it was separate from the game itself. There wasn't two precious spots that you had to be voted in to to be considered Champion. It didn't hinge on one matchup. Sometimes two or three New Year's Day Bowl Games determined the National Champion. Now it's so very different indeed. The bowls selected the matchups themselves back then. Sometimes the #1 and #2 teams didn't play in the same Bowl Game.

              But I disagree that there's never been a National Champion in college football. I think some years, more commonly before the BCS, there was one team that far and away ended up either undefeated, with a draw or with 1 loss but with enough top 10 wins to end up a unanimous #1.

              It didn't happen every year or even most years, but it's happened. This year is not one of those years.

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              • callmetaternuts
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                • Jul 2004
                • 7045

                #8
                Re: Some Harris Voters hadn't even watched Utah play before last Friday

                It's pretty disappointing to think that the people (Coaches and sportswriters alike) who think they know so much about every team havent seen them play. Very discouraging
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                • J0nnD0ugh
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 16602

                  #9
                  Re: Some Harris Voters hadn't even watched Utah play before last Friday

                  Originally posted by PSU_DW2
                  But I disagree that there's never been a National Champion in college football. I think some years, more commonly before the BCS, there was one team that far and away ended up either undefeated, with a draw or with 1 loss but with enough top 10 wins to end up a unanimous #1.

                  It didn't happen every year or even most years, but it's happened. This year is not one of those years.
                  There may have been a consensus on who was the best, but its never been proven who was the best. A champion proves he/she/they are the best by beating all comers on the field. Not by just looking good.
                  Originally posted by VP Richard M. Nixon
                  I always remember that whatever I have done in the past, or may do in the future, Duke University is responsible one way or the other.
                  -August 17, 1960
                  Thanks, dookies!

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                  • KG
                    Welcome Back
                    • Sep 2005
                    • 17583

                    #10
                    Re: Some Harris Voters hadn't even watched Utah play before last Friday

                    Originally posted by callmetaternuts
                    It's pretty disappointing to think that the people (Coaches and sportswriters alike) who think they know so much about every team havent seen them play. Very discouraging
                    Can you really expect them too though. Say you're Les Miles. Every week you're practicing and preparing your team for SEC Opponents. Why would you watch Utah play or anyone else that isn't on your schedule?

                    With all that coaches have on their schedules I doubt they sit down during the regular season and watch a lot of games that don't have some sort of impact on their team.
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                    • PSU_DW2
                      Banned
                      • Oct 2005
                      • 1081

                      #11
                      Re: Some Harris Voters hadn't even watched Utah play before last Friday

                      Originally posted by J0nnD0ugh
                      There may have been a consensus on who was the best, but its never been proven who was the best. A champion proves he/she/they are the best by beating all comers on the field. Not by just looking good.
                      Fair enough. I can respect that viewpoint. There are probably about 10 or so teams in 1-A college football this season that you could argue are national championship caliber. But until they play in some type of a playoff, it'll stay that way.

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                      • ehh
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Mar 2003
                        • 28962

                        #12
                        Re: Some Harris Voters hadn't even watched Utah play before last Friday

                        Not all that surprising, but ridiculous nonetheless.
                        "You make your name in the regular season, and your fame in the postseason." - Clyde Frazier

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                        • kaipo07
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                          • Aug 2007
                          • 657

                          #13
                          Re: Some Harris Voters hadn't even watched Utah play before last Friday

                          Originally posted by Cebby
                          Even if everyone in the country watched every Utah game 5 times, they still weren't going to be ranked higher than Florida.
                          No, but they're #1, hands down.

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                          • Freelance
                            Banned
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 7021

                            #14
                            Re: Some Harris Voters hadn't even watched Utah play before last Friday

                            Utah has a heck of an argument, although whoever watched the Utah-TCU game knows who controlled that game.

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                            • kaipo07
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                              • Aug 2007
                              • 657

                              #15
                              Re: Some Harris Voters hadn't even watched Utah play before last Friday

                              Utah, 0 losses. For all you youngsters, refer to the 84 national champions. Compare that team's schedule to Utah's.

                              Utah: National champions: hands down.
                              Last edited by kaipo07; 01-06-2009, 10:46 AM.

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