World Class/Professional

[aarontab]

As noticed by many, there's a bit of an issue with Professional and World Class in terms of the jump between them. This has been an issue in my estimation for about 3-4 years and i think i know why after playing this year's game.

Fifa 16 is probably the best playing iteration we've had in some time and definitely the most realistic in terms of overall feel and everything. That makes the CPU unfairness stand out even more now when it occurs (which is thankfully much less than in years past). This is what makes World Class a terrible difficulty. It's clear that there are just stat boosts and mind-reading interceptions used to simulate difficulty. I don't care for that kind of stuff one bit.

What leads me to even post this is that i know i'm not alone - professional is too easy (like win the league every season with Liverpool easy) and World Class, while giving realistic outcomes, is simply boring/frustrating/artificial feeling. I miss opportunities based on things out of my control or literally by being cheated (although still less than in any Fifa game i've ever played) while on Professional i get to convert those and don't get robbed. Unfortunately, playing the perfect balance of Professional means i get to clobber my CPU opponent week in and week out regardless of talent i have on my team or who i'm facing.

What are you guys doing to overcome this dilemma?

[lgkeeper]

Re: World Class/Professional

I was in that boat. I simply adjusted the WC difficulty to make it a tad bit easier. I turned down AI pass accuracy and increased first touch error. About 8 matches into my EPL season I have THFC in 8th which is about right.

[L4velle]

Re: World Class/Professional

I was in that boat. I simply adjusted the WC difficulty to make it a tad bit easier. I turned down AI pass accuracy and increased first touch error. About 8 matches into my EPL season I have THFC in 8th which is about right.

What have you set your slider at for passing error for CPU mate?

[lgkeeper]

Re: World Class/Professional

What have you set your slider at for passing error for CPU mate?

I believe I had it at 43 (if it's accuracy) and 57 (if it's pass error). Don't remember which one it is but I know I moved it 7 clicks.

[aarontab]

Re: World Class/Professional

I'm going to have to try this i think. I hesitated to use sliders too much this year because i'm afraid of throwing off the balance of what amounts to a very well balanced game.

Just played a couple matches on Professional just to see where i'm at - the games are so much more evenly matched but there is just no way the CPU can score enough to beat me. Professional = 3-2, 3-1, 2-0 scorelines in my favor, World Class = 1-0, 0-0, 1-1 scorelines with a ton of grinding and possession.

[Wavebird99]

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As as a season player, 7 games in, I completely agree. World Class is basically what I play on FIFA, but in 14 and 15 I've adjusted sliders a bit too make the CPU play less well and I think it will happen again this year.

What I've noticed is the CPU this year is much better at reading passes, intercepting you, and getting the ball back in the midfield. This is actually kind of a good thing, as I think the single biggest issue with past FIFAs was the AI being too lax against me, allowing me to dominant the midfield and never really have them get into the game.


Thats not the same this year, which is great. But on default world class I'm getting my *** kicked a bit, and in ~7 games have only scored more than 1 goal in a game once. I think I see a really varied game here - but I still think I'm gonna adjust the CPU's man marking, boost their pass error slightly, and also perhaps increase the HUM pass accuracy.

The goalkeepers are also back to being great this year, after being incredibly poorly designed in 15. May need to drop down ability a tad though.

[aarontab]

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Does anybody actually score goals with feet from open play on World Class? I think of the goals i've scored, maybe 1-2 have been with feet on WC. It's all headers from corners, headers from crosses, and penalties. On Professional i get a ton of variety but anytime i shoot on WC, it's blocked or saved.

[SQI]

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I think I've scored just one goal in five games or so on WC. I conceded maybe 2 or 3. They are killing it with passes and they are much physically stronger than on professional. The only goal I've scored is a header.

No idea what I'm going to do but judging by your thoughts, playing on WC with default slider will never get better, no matter how good I am.

[Josam27o7]

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Does anybody actually score goals with feet from open play on World Class? I think of the goals i've scored, maybe 1-2 have been with feet on WC. It's all headers from corners, headers from crosses, and penalties. On Professional i get a ton of variety but anytime i shoot on WC, it's blocked or saved.

Yeh. I score plenty. I play full-manual. Try to get better at the game before critiquing it.

[aarontab]

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I think I've scored just one goal in five games or so on WC. I conceded maybe 2 or 3. They are killing it with passes and they are much physically stronger than on professional. The only goal I've scored is a header.

No idea what I'm going to do but judging by your thoughts, playing on WC with default slider will never get better, no matter how good I am.

That's the information i'm trying to gather by playing on WC. It's starting to appear that even if i bought all the greatest attacking players money could buy, practiced *real hard* and kept at it, it's just going to be such a struggle to score goals it won't be fun.

Meanwhile, playing on Professional i'm crushing the CPU to the tune of 4-5 goals a game. It's worrying me because i LOVE the way the game plays and how organic the goals feel when they happen - but i gotta be able to score with my feet in WC (if at all) and not get unrealistic scorelines in Pro. I lost a match playing pro 4-3 on a comeback from the CPU - an exciting match, but not something i'll feel ok having happen week in, week out.

If i have to err one side or the other, i'm going to switch it to Professional and just win every game. If given the choice between WC cuckoldry and playing a "win simulator", i'm going win simulator. I didn't pay $60 to feel helpless (and watch my precious few attacks get killed by a pass to a player i didn't mean to pass to) in my own living room...

[aarontab]

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Yeh. I score plenty. I play full-manual. Try to get better at the game before critiquing it.

Wasn't much of a critique was it? More of a question, trying to see if it's a common occurrence. Try to get better at reading and comprehension before posting.

[aarontab]

Re: World Class/Professional

4-0 on Professional with default sliders, complete domination.

0-1 loss on WC, dead even across the board match statistics - also default sliders.

That's quite a gulf right? It doesn't matter the quality of the team i'm playing against, the results are always the same. Six-to-10 shots per match, 88% passing for both teams, 50/50 possession. Any and all goals i score are headers or penalties, any and all goals the CPU score are from the edge of the box and are never headed goals.

If that commonality exists, will it matter what players i buy? Or what level of competition i play against? In true FIFA fashion, i'm actually more likely to lose to teams in the bottom half of the table than elite level teams. My WC wins have all come against top 5 teams, while all my losses have been bottom half teams - with some draws peppered in for good measure.

This isn't a criticism, this is a genuine concern i have - i've played FIFA for enough years to be able to tell when something is just entrenched into the fabric of the game. I hate using sliders because they aren't "difficulty" sliders as much as they are "gameplay" sliders so it's easy to throw everything off, however it's looking like that's the only option to try to create a difficulty between WC and Pro. At least until i improve or find an exploit like every other year.

[buckeyezombie]

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Umm thats what slider are for. Put the CPU keeper ability at 5 and -2 for the rest of their sliders on WC. Keeper at 5 is still quality, but not the brick wall they are at 50

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[Zac]

Re: World Class/Professional

Aarontab, I would recommend making the switch to full manual on pro. That will be quit a challenge. You wont be scoring so much. CPU will still play the same. Your shots will be much harder. It will take time to get used to, but once you do, then it will be much better. You'll still be having the same chances as before, but you wont be seeing those incorrect passes to the wrong teammate, you will either make a bad pass or take the chance and take a bad shot, lol. At least you will be at fault, and not the cpu. Worth a shot.

I also made the switch to WC last night. In my first game I lost 5-0. I went to bed.

[aarontab]

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Aarontab, I would recommend making the switch to full manual on pro. That will be quit a challenge. You wont be scoring so much. CPU will still play the same. Your shots will be much harder. It will take time to get used to, but once you do, then it will be much better. You'll still be having the same chances as before, but you wont be seeing those incorrect passes to the wrong teammate, you will either make a bad pass or take the chance and take a bad shot, lol. At least you will be at fault, and not the cpu. Worth a shot.

I also made the switch to WC last night. In my first game I lost 5-0. I went to bed.

I used to play full manual and a couple years ago went back to assisted since lofted through balls were useless on manual (at least back then). The thought crossed my mind, although i'm working on something sliders-wise right now that seems to be helping. I'll probably come back with some findings after a couple more days of experimenting.

Maybe i'm the only one having this issue though? That thought has also crossed my mind.

EDIT: Also, another thing for clarification - i win more than i lose (8-4-3 record) on WC. That's not the issue. I also score a decent amount of goals (at least 1 per match) on WC - they are all headers or penalties though, and that's an issue that is non-existent on Pro. Issue is that and the fact that i'm 12-1-1 on Pro. That's not even fun tbh.