EA UFC Stat Change Request Discussion Thread

[aholbert32]

Quote: Originally Posted by Nugget7211

Okay, I've got a few Welterweight RDA- RDA has 90 Endurance when Woodley has 92 and Lawler has 95. RDA generally fights at a consistent 60-70 strikes a round or 12-14 strikes per minute pace, whereas Woodley fights at roughly 6-8 strikes per minute or 30-50 strikes a round and Lawler fights at 7-10 strikes per minute pace. I don't understand why a significantly higher paced fighter like RDA doesn't have that represented. I'm pretty sure Endurance affects between round recovery, and having fighters who take rounds off recover more than a man who pushes a consistent and quite high pace doesn't make much sense to me. I'd probably just swap his and Woodley's stats, bring RDA up to 92 and Woodley down to 90, and maybe also drop Lawler down to 93-94. I also think RDA's top game needs a buff from 89, which is 1 point lower than Cowboy, the same as Robbie Lawler, 2 points lower than Neil Magny and only 1 point higher than Wonderboy and Till, despite RDA's top game being arguably his best skillset and what's won him 2/3 of his welterweight fights as well as a bunch of his lightweight ones. His top game is also lower than both Magny and Cowboy's bottom game, both of whom he smushed when he got on top. I'd like to see it buffed to 91-92, which is still worse than the more proven welterweight grapplers like Usman, Woodley, Nelson and Maia, but does more to differentiate him for people like Lawler who don't really play on top all that much. Featherweight José Aldo- Aldo has 91 footwork, which is 5 points lower than Frankie Edgars, a man he basically out-footworked for 5 rounds a year and a half ago. I don't understand how you come out with this rating, although I am not 100% sure what the footwork is derived from, so maybe I'll reconsider if informed that it just affects lateral movement speed or something. Provided I don't rescind this request on finding out what the stat does, perhaps bumping Aldo up to 93 to just close the gap slightly, since Frankie Edgar should have a speed/movement advantage. Karolina Kowalkiewicz- her striking defence stats (both blocking and head movement). She has 11% worse striking defence than Joanna, but only 1 point lower block and equal head movement, whereas Claudia Gadelha who has 1% better striking defence than Karolina IRL has the same block as her but 4 points worse head movement. I'd probably leave KK's block alone but drop her head movement a point or 2 down to 91 or so as well as bump Gadelha up from 89 to 90 (I realise I snuck that in there) Mickey Gall- his bottom game. We just saw him get held down and do nothing for 2 rounds by a 4-2 in the UFC striker, but his bottom game is the same as Carlos Condit's and 2 points better than RDA's, I don't even, like, what? How? Also, how does submitting CM Punk and Sage Northcutt get you better submission stats than GSP? I'd like to see his bottom game dropped 2 points to 88 (if you want to give those points to RDA, that'd be cool) and his submissions stats (both offense and defense) dropped to about 90-91, which is a 2-3 point drop.

Thanks for this:

Gall/GSP: Gall is a BJJ guy. Thats what's he's known for. His ratings were done before the Brown fight but if there is anything he's good at its submission grappling. So at that time and even now I feel like his sub stats should be the one good thing.

Here is the counter to GSP. Before Nov. 4, Mickey Gall had the same number of submission victories as GSP......with 20 less fights. Now competition is a big part and GSP has fought SIGNIFICANTLY harder opponents but GSP has no submission grappling pedigree, hasnt finished a ton of fights with subs and has struggled to finish many subs (see Hardy fight). So imo, GSP is average when it comes to sub O which his stats show.

[Nugget7211]

Quote: Originally Posted by aholbert32

Thanks for this: Gall/GSP: Gall is a BJJ guy. Thats what's he's known for. His ratings were done before the Brown fight but if there is anything he's good at its submission grappling. So at that time and even know I'd agree that his sub stats should be the one good thing. Here is the counter to GSP. Before Nov. 4, Mickey Gall had the same number of submission victories as GSP......with 20 less fights. Now competition is a big part and GSP has fought SIGNIFICANTLY harder opponents but GSP has no submission grappling pedigree, hasnt finished a ton of fights with subs and has struggled to finish many subs (see Hardy fight). So imo, GSP is average when it comes to sub O which his stats show.

I'm incredibly level of competition driven in my opinion of fighters. Looking decent against great fighters is more impressive to me than looking great against decent fighters, you know? I don't really mind him having good sub stats, it's just I don't think he should be anywhere close to as good a positional grappler as more proven guys like RDA (can you tell I like him yet?), Usman or Magny, because I guarantee you any of those guys would run the **** over anyone Gall has ever fought. Also, I'm assuming RDA stats are a little low because they were done before the Lawler fight, and maybe the Magny one?

Oh, and on the GSP comparison, it was more Gall being high than GSP being low. Like, seeing 4-1 Mickey Gall being ranked higher than the GOAT in anything is a very "Wait, wut?" moment haha

[Serengeti1]

Quote: Originally Posted by Nugget7211

Okay, I've got a few Welterweight RDA- RDA has 90 Endurance when Woodley has 92 and Lawler has 95. RDA generally fights at a consistent 60-70 strikes a round or 12-14 strikes per minute pace, whereas Woodley fights at roughly 6-8 strikes per minute or 30-50 strikes a round and Lawler fights at 7-10 strikes per minute pace. I don't understand why a significantly higher paced fighter like RDA doesn't have that represented. I'm pretty sure Endurance affects between round recovery, and having fighters who take rounds off recover more than a man who pushes a consistent and quite high pace doesn't make much sense to me. I'd probably just swap his and Woodley's stats, bring RDA up to 92 and Woodley down to 90, and maybe also drop Lawler down to 93-94.

Should Lawler even have a higher Endurance stat than RDA? Remember the Pettis fight? Swear he could have gone another 5 rounds lol.

I know Lawler goes hard in round 5 towards the end but that's because he takes rounds off and time off in a round.

At the least they should have a relatively even stat imo.

As for Woodley going down... I don't really ever remember seeing him tired... And if 90 is average it's a little low imo. Woodley is a guy who's just very efficient with energy more than anything though. He's very good at doing just enough. I'm starting to get the feeling that you don't like Woodley? Hm... I wonder why. lol : ).

If we're using Lawler logic... Woodley also has come out strong in the fifth and dominated it. It's also because he took time to rest in the fight but yeah. It's subjective tho. If 90 is average I'd say he should be 90-92 from what we've seen so far.

[Nugget7211]

Quote: Originally Posted by Serengeti95

Should Lawler even have a higher Endurance stat than RDA? Remember the Pettis fight? Swear he could have gone another 5 rounds lol. I know Lawler goes hard in round 5 towards the end but that's because he takes rounds off and time off in a round. At the least they should have a relatively even stat imo. As for Woodley going down... I don't really ever remember seeing him tired... And if 90 is average it's a little low imo. Woodley is a guy who's just very efficient with energy more than anything though. He's very good at doing just enough. I'm starting to get the feeling that you don't like Woodley? Hm... I wonder why. lol : ). If we're using Lawler logic... Woodley also has come out strong in the fifth and dominated it. It's also because he took time to rest in the fight but yeah. It's subjective tho. If 90 is average I'd say he should be 90-92 from what we've seen so far.

Endurance governs between round recovery of stamina, I think RDA should have a relatively high endurance due to the consistency of his pace, meaning you want him to recover like 95% of what he expended in any given round (not that exact number necessarily, just a lot) so he can maintain that pace for an entire fight.

Woodley is not particularly consistent in pace, like in his last 3 5 round fights he's thrown anything between between 12 and 53 strikes a round which is pretty dramatic range, and for Lawler in his past 5 round fights he's thrown between 17 and 92 which is an even more insane range. Now, RDA's range is 32-99, but 12 of the 15 rounds in those 3 fights are between 49-72, which is extraordinarily consistent (if you're curious for the tighter groupings for Lawler and Woodley it's 9 rounds between 20-50 for Lawler and 8 rounds between 30-50 for Woodley)

I threw a lot of numbers out there, and feel free to argue their relevance, but my point is that RDA fights at a consistently higher pace than either Woodley or Lawler and that's not represented accurately in their stats. If you think Woodley doesn't need to go down, fair enough, it's just aholbert said small changes are more likely, so I tried not to go beyond 2-3 point changes in my recommendation, which I would've needed to do to get the required gap (IMO) between Woodley and RDA with moving Woodley down, which is the same reason I didn't recommend dropping Lawler further than I did.

Oh, and I don't like Woodley (not for that reason), and he got tired in the Rory and Marquardt fights I'm pretty sure, been a while since I've watched either thought

[Serengeti1]

Quote: Originally Posted by Nugget7211

Endurance governs between round recovery of stamina, I think RDA should have a relatively high endurance due to the consistency of his pace, meaning you want him to recover like 95% of what he expended in any given round (not that exact number necessarily, just a lot) so he can maintain that pace for an entire fight. Woodley is not particularly consistent in pace, like in his last 3 5 round fights he's thrown anything between between 12 and 53 strikes a round which is pretty dramatic range, and for Lawler in his past 5 round fights he's thrown between 17 and 92 which is an even more insane range. Now, RDA's range is 32-99, but 12 of the 15 rounds in those 3 fights are between 49-72, which is extraordinarily consistent (if you're curious for the tighter groupings for Lawler and Woodley it's 9 rounds between 20-50 for Lawler and 8 rounds between 30-50 for Woodley) I threw a lot of numbers out there, and feel free to argue their relevance, but my point is that RDA fights at a consistently higher pace than either Woodley or Lawler and that's not represented accurately in their stats. If you think Woodley doesn't need to go down, fair enough, it's just aholbert said small changes are more likely, so I tried not to go beyond 2-3 point changes in my recommendation, which I would've needed to do to get the required gap (IMO) between Woodley and RDA with moving Woodley down, which is the same reason I didn't recommend dropping Lawler further than I did. Oh, and I don't like Woodley (not for that reason), and he got tired in the Rory and Marquardt fights I'm pretty sure, been a while since I've watched either thought

Idk tbh. Ideally I'd have RDA at like 95/96. Lawler at like 94. And Woodley at 91. Woodley is a hard one because you can argue his fighting style and output is the reason he manages to conserve so much energy. I think it's partly that but I think going 5 rounds 3 times recently and not getting tired should make him slightly above average.

[Nugget7211]

Quote: Originally Posted by Serengeti95

Idk tbh. Ideally I'd have RDA at like 95/96. Lawler at like 94. And Woodley at 91. Woodley is a hard one because you can argue his fighting style and output is the reason he manages to conserve so much energy. I think it's partly that but I think going 5 rounds 3 times recently and not getting tired should make him slightly above average.

I wouldn't be opposed to 91 for Woodley, I just threw 90 out there for the reasons I explained about not wanting to throw out huge number increases. Bare in mind that 5-6 points for RDA is 25% of the range and might make him a Max Holloway type dude by mistake, you know?

[Papadoc60]

Honestly, I'm not happy at all with the way RDA is represented in this game. He just seems to come out as being barely above average for both LW and WW weight classes when compared to the rest of the divisions when he was a dominant champ at LW and hasn't lost at WW either, even beating Robbie Lawler handily.

[Dave_S]

Quote: Originally Posted by Papadoc60

Honestly, I'm not happy at all with the way RDA is represented in this game. He just seems to come out as being barely above average for both LW and WW weight classes when compared to the rest of the divisions when he was a dominant champ at LW and hasn't lost at WW either, even beating Robbie Lawler handily.

They killed him at lightweight, lol.