EA UFC Stat Change Request Discussion Thread

[Serengeti1]

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Question: How should we be rating fighters? Should we be looking at their overall body of work or should we give greater weight to what happens head to head?

For example, I've watched damn near every Diaz, Cerrone and RDA WEC and UFC fight. Based on their body of work, I'd find it hard to argue that RDA is better off of his back than Cerrone and Diaz.

You are right that RDA dominated Diaz on the ground but thats more of an argument for a top control buff than a bottom one (especially given that was the worse Nick Diaz I've ever seen).

So should we increase stats simply because someone dominated another fighter?

I've seen this argument a few times "fighter X KO'd fighter Y so he should have a higher power rating!" But that doesnt make much sense to me. That would be like saying Matt Serra should have a higher power rating than GSP simply because he knocked him out.

When have you seen Diaz control someone on the ground on top tho? I cannot recall rn. He occasionally hurts someone and subs them but yeah.

We've seen RDA control people with his top game on multiple occasions though. I don't really ever recall seeing much of Cerrone's top game either. Bottom game is obviously solid though. Diaz and Cerrone aren't big strong guys. Top control isn't really part of their game. They should both have a higher rating off their back than RDA tho.

[Phillyboi207]

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Ok lets slow down. He wasnt a dominant champion at LW. He beat Pettis and Cerrone. He was then KO'd by Eddie and lost convincingly to Tony. People also seem to forget that he was dominated by Khabib. Thats 3 of the top 4 LWs right there.

At WW, keep in mind that when the ratings were finalized it was before the Lawler fight. With that said, I dont know want to completely overreact to the Lawler fight given that Robbie hasnt looked great in his last 3 fights.

I think he needs a buff but its not an easy one. I think he is arguably a better LW than a WW but he is also maybe the 5th best LW currently while he is probably the 3rd or 4th best WW so he needs to be rated accordingly.

I'm loving all of the input guys keep it coming.

Not sure I agree with you dismissing Robbie

He lost a quick fight to Woodley. Beat Cowboy(looked good), and got beat soundly by RDA. Before that he was on a great streak against elite opponents.

[Find_the_Door]

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No response on the Big Nog request?

[aholbert32]

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Hardcores know RDA passed out weight cutting for the Alvarez fight and TKO'd on his feet, not KO'd. He fought Tony 5 hard rounds in the sky at Mexico City. The Khabib fight, he wasn't even living in the US yet. He changed his whole life and training after that. It's more than just wins and losses aholbert


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So I'm not a "hardcore" now? LOL.

Stop making excuses. A loss is a loss. I dont give a **** if he wasnt living in the states. He got dominated by Khabib. I dont care if he had a rough weight cut (most fighters do). He got finished by Eddie. Tony won that fight handily and he had to deal with the same high altitude.

Come better than that. If you are going to give him credit for his wins...dock him for his losses too.

[SMOKEZERO]

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No response on the Big Nog request?

Did you see the tuner thread bro


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[aholbert32]

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Not sure I agree with you dismissing Robbie

He lost a quick fight to Woodley. Beat Cowboy(looked good), and got beat soundly by RDA. Before that he was on a great streak against elite opponents.

I didnt think he looked great against Cowboy to be honest. It was a solid fight but he appeared to be a step slower. Just my opinion though.

[Find_the_Door]

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Did you see the tuner thread bro


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For stat changes I'm saying

[Serengeti1]

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Hardcores know RDA passed out weight cutting for the Alvarez fight and TKO'd on his feet, not KO'd. He fought Tony 5 hard rounds in the sky at Mexico City. The Khabib fight, he wasn't even living in the US yet. He changed his whole life and training after that. It's more than just wins and losses aholbert


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The Alvarez fight can legitimately be looked at as unfortunate for RDA. But it would be speculation. The rest of what you're talking about is speculation too. You can make excuses for any fighter's loss. The excuse for the Khabib loss is particularly naive. He was on a 5 fight win streak when he lost to him.

The performances he had in those fights is pretty much all we can look at. Otherwise things get silly. The idea that Cain would beat Werdum at sea level is another one. The idea that GSP only gassed because of carrying extra weight or because he was ill is more speculation. We can't make decisions based on things like that.

[Dave_S]

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So I'm not a "hardcore" now? LOL.

Stop making excuses. A loss is a loss. I dont give a **** if he wasnt living in the states. He got dominated by Khabib. I dont care if he had a rough weight cut (most fighters do). He got finished by Eddie. Tony won that fight handily and he had to deal with the same high altitude.

Come better than that. If you are going to give him credit for his wins...dock him for his losses too.

I'm totally okay with docking him for his loses, but you gotta realize he's not the same fighter that fought Khabib. He's much better now.

[aholbert32]

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When have you seen Diaz control someone on the ground on top tho? I cannot recall rn. He occasionally hurts someone and subs them but yeah.

We've seen RDA control people with his top game on multiple occasions though. I don't really ever recall seeing much of Cerrone's top game either. Bottom game is obviously solid though. Diaz and Cerrone aren't big strong guys. Top control isn't really part of their game. They should both have a higher rating off their back than RDA tho.

I agree about the top game. I'm not disagreeing with that and I'm going to submit that to the team.

I dont necessarily agree about the bottom game.

[aholbert32]

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I'm totally okay with docking him for his loses, but you gotta realize he's not the same fighter that fought Khabib. He's much better now.

I'm sure he is and if I was rating a game after the Khabib fight he would likely be much lower. I just dont know if there is much of an argument that he would be a top 4 LW right now. Especially because 3 of the 4 handily beat him.

[Dave_S]

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I'm sure he is and if I was rating a game after the Khabib fight he would likely be much lower. I just dont know if there is much of an argument that he would be a top 4 LW right now. Especially because 3 of the 4 handily beat him.

Total speculation but I'd have him ranked 4 between Alvarez and Edson. Since he doesn't fight at LW anymore I'm not expecting changes to him at LW as far as stats go.

[Serengeti1]

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I'm sure he is and if I was rating a game after the Khabib fight he would likely be much lower. I just dont know if there is much of an argument that he would be a top 4 LW right now. Especially because 3 of the 4 handily beat him.

Bro why are you ducking my request for Diaz's straight punch animations to be changed?

Also, Khabib would ragdoll RDA again imo. Yeah, he's better but not better than Khabib. Slightly off topic for a second... I've thought about how interesting some of the wins/losses are for guys who change weight classes recently. Like RDA is having real success at WW but would get wrecked by a lot of the top LW's again imo. Whittaker got starched by Thompson. There were a few other examples I thought of earlier but I've forgotten them. The idea that weight is everything has kinda been dispelled recently.

[aholbert32]

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Total speculation but I'd have him ranked 4 between Alvarez and Edson. Since he doesn't fight at LW anymore I'm not expecting changes to him at LW as far as stats go.

That would make him the 5th best LW because Conor is the champ.

[aholbert32]

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Bro why are you ducking my request for Diaz's straight punch animations to be changed?

Also, Khabib would ragdoll RDA again imo. Yeah, he's better but not better than Khabib. Slightly off topic for a second... I've thought about how interesting some of the wins/losses are for guys who change weight classes recently. Like RDA is having real success at WW but would get wrecked by a lot of the top LW's again imo. Whittaker got starched by Thompson. There were a few other examples I thought of earlier but I've forgotten them. The idea that weight is everything has kinda been dispelled recently.

Ducking? I dont do movesets. Post it in the thread and the devs will see it.