Tactics discussion

[Bahnzo]

So...anyone feel like talking tactics?

I'm really kind of lost right now. I like to play down the wings and either cut inside or put crosses into the box, but I'm finding that difficult so far. I'm mostly having trouble getting guys to go on runs forward. And even if I do get guys down the wings, there is often no one available for a cross into the box. Any ideas?

I've been messing with the strategy settings and trying different combinations of support and offensive stuff, but nothing really seems to work.

[steveeee]

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I was going to create a similar thread just now as I just got this game finally last night... I want to see what people use as far as formations with their MLO teams first starting out and what tactics.

I have only played 2 matches offline so far. I'm addicted to playing around with the MLO as I'm 3 - 5 - 0 while trying to figure out this game and proper tactics to use with my team starting out. Right now I been playing a 4 - 2 - 3 -1 with my starting lineup below with success.

.....................Nordstrand................... ......

.....................Grochamow.................... .....
..Ximelez..............................Joselito Vaca..

............D'agostino...........Edu.............. .....

.***skin.................................El Moubark...
................Stremer....Patazhentar..........

..........................Ivarov.................. ........


I pretty much have used used all the different tactics already but I like the ball possession ones and I'm fooling around with everything else. I just want opinions... I did start out with pressing on high but now I have it medium I believe. Although online does not seem to matter if your players fatigue like offline I noticed. Maybe I'm wrong.. but so far that is one of my minor complaints with MLO and the fact that I think the games are to short to really get a great real match in. However, I'm still addicted to this MLO just releasing and buying players.. lol

I do not get how to get into a competition though? I will post more later regarding tactics later... right now I'm still fooling around with things. but I want to hear what people like using or use so post here.

Does anyone know of a way we can match up with eachother with our MLO teams? we should try this as I rather play with my MLO team... I love seeing what my opponent has on their team and if one of their players impress me I take notice.

Thanks for creating thread Bahnzo

[ronaldo9]

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I think this is where the game shines. I just spent a half-hour in training mode tinkering with the strategies, and I noticed that if I pushed my defensive line up high and keep the closing down to standard, I was able to create 2-3 strong lines of defense that made it difficult for the computer to break down. I was getting frustrated with what another poster in the impressions thread talked about, the fact that through balls from the CPU weren't being played by your defenders - and this made the through ball less of a possibility.

I found that in earlier PES - like, the Winning Eleven series' on the PS2 - that I would assign a couple different strategies and formations for when I had the ball (more offensive), and one for without it (dropping guys back). It worked well, esp when simulating international football, in that there just wasn't space for the CPU to exploit and made sure your team wasn't just single-minded.

I'd love to hear what specific settings people like.

[ronaldo9]

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So...anyone feel like talking tactics?

I'm really kind of lost right now. I like to play down the wings and either cut inside or put crosses into the box, but I'm finding that difficult so far. I'm mostly having trouble getting guys to go on runs forward. And even if I do get guys down the wings, there is often no one available for a cross into the box. Any ideas?

I've been messing with the strategy settings and trying different combinations of support and offensive stuff, but nothing really seems to work.

This is what I mean for a couple different settings to use for your team. If you want to get some runs into the box for crosses, I think you'd need to turn the player support level down so they'd be further away (I can't remember the specific language for this, sorry!).

Try playing with Barca (I know, not fun). Their offensive settings are interesting - you can tell that their default setting in formation is more compact with the fwds not as high up the field - and the strategies I found a lot of guys making late runs forward into the box from midfield, allowing me to cut some passes from the wings instead of crosses to short players in the box, which is what Barca does.

[ezio]

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One thing I noticed when playing with Bayern Munich in the demo is that if I went to the strategies where you define how you want to play in the 15 minute increments and deleted everything they seemed to attack more.

[JRod]

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Do you guys do the defend/attack change in the game menu? If you are on offense I use this all the time to have players go forward and sit back when needed. I think it's L2 and R1. That's an old PES strategy to set the mindset of the game without having to edit your tactics.

[teambayern]

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Bahnzo, as for the players making runs issue, I solved this by editing the player support settings. I felt my wingers and CMF weren't getting forward enough, and found upping the level of support to make a world of difference. Boupa Dioup (CMF) now hovers above the 18 yard box, waiting to blast a crazy shot for a long range goal.

Btw, I highly recommend him for your ML. I took him on to shore up my DMF spot, but he has proved far more valuable. He is, quite simply, a beast. He stands tall and at 90 body balance, he'll win every header in sight in the middle. He also has 90s shot power, so can blast in long rangers as mentioned above. Probably the best, most impactful player I have, along with Shevchenko.

[steveeee]

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Do you guys do the defend/attack change in the game menu? If you are on offense I use this all the time to have players go forward and sit back when needed. I think it's L2 and R1. That's an old PES strategy to set the mindset of the game without having to edit your tactics.

in the game menu? I haven't did that yet.. but I do this while in match..this makes a big difference.. I couldn't do this sometimes when in matches but I figured it out if you have assisted controls on it will not let you manually do this in the match so I reccomend to take this off as this helps out a lot imo. but for individual players attack and defend like the old pes? also man mark settings? I think this is only avaible offline maybe but I can't figure how to do those things when playing MLO

[JRod]

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in the game menu? I haven't did that yet.. but I do this while in match..this makes a big difference.. I couldn't do this sometimes when in matches but I figured it out if you have assisted controls on it will not let you manually do this in the match so I reccomend to take this off as this helps out a lot imo. but for individual players attack and defend like the old pes? also man mark settings? I think this is only avaible offline maybe but I can't figure how to do those things when playing MLO

Not sure about MLO, but this is a WE must. It basically sets mentality and you can have super defensive to super aggressive. And yes it's in-game, you can do it manually as well.

[brewha202002]

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Does changing the captain on your team effect the teams performance in a negative or positive way?

[aloncho11]

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^Yes it does (not a in great deal, but yes). It's always good to choose a palyer with good teamwork and mentality stats.

Also guys, remember that tactics go hand in hand with players attributes and stats (special skills and player cards). So although tinkering with them is an option, it's not the same story to, for example play the same 4-2-3-1 with Inter with Pandev and Eto'o on the wings than with Liverpool with Joe Cole and Kuyt on the wings.

[BIG CAROLINA]

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Found this on the PES site:

Player support:

So this basically this dictates how teammates move around the ball carrier, so it's correct in it's called player support, where it's confusing is offensive and defensive.

So values 1-6, what they do is make players provide options sideways and many backwards 'safe options' to the ball carrier. So with Barca for example, this is set to 0, so it makes Barca play a lot of safe, backwards, sideways passes, So overall it means, 'slow orientated build up'.

values 7-13 (balanced) Just means teams will attack normally and player on the ball as standard look for options ahead of them unless the player isn't in clear space, teammates won't always run ahead of the ball carrier.

values 14-20 means fast attacking, team mates always look to get ahead of the ball carrier and the team is encourages to look only for forward passes!


Support Range:

Support range shows how close the players stay to around the ball carrier, so values 1-6 mean the players keep close together, (Barcelona Arsenal) it's useful for short passing game, tiki taka etc..

7-13 is standard

14-20 means players spread away from the ball carrier, this is useful for teams that counter, and teams like Stoke etc.. for long balls, Long passing game hoofball etc..

Position Switch

Position switch dictate how much freedom players have to temporarily play in different designated positions or switch places with players in similar positions.

1-6 means player rarley if ever switch positions (tactically disciplined)

7-13 means players will now and gain switch with players in a similar position, so for example the left central midfielder and right central midfielder or two strikers will change the sides they are playing, same with centre backs even.

14-20 is similar to that above but If a player finds himself out of postion he will then take up the nearest position designated for a while, the drop back to his designated position.

So for example i a center back charges forward, if he ends up in midfield he will stay there for a bit,t hen move back, same with striker coming back to defend. It's built to give you the option to give your players the choice to swap around a bit in bid to confuse the opposition and say if a center back is getting the better of a striker, maybe swap for a secound with a winger and see if it confuses him.

Attacking Style:

Attacking style is quite important for player runs and general player movement when attacking.

1-6 means players will drift and congregate out in wide positions to support he ball carrier in making attacking moves out wide

7-13 (balanced) players will maintain their shape

14-20 players will congregate more in the middle, and wide men for example will come inside to offer support through the middle.

Pressing

Pressing is both how intense your team presses the oppositions ball carrier and also i've noticed a zonal element to this.

1-6 (loose) makes players stand off the ball carrier and the player will focus much more and working with his teammates as a unit.

7-13 players, won't actively close down the opposition, they will tend to hod shape unless the opposing ball carrier enter is, well 'zone' (Zonal marking) Maybe.

14-20 tight players will actively close down the opposition, 14-20 dictates how intense they move out of their formations shape to meet the ball carrier

Defensive Line:

Self explanatory really

1-6 Deep

7-13 Normal

14-20 High

Compactiviness:

This dictates how closely compacted your team is when closing in around the ball carrier

1-6 The team forms up as a unit very tightly in the center of the pitch

7-13 Normal

14-20 The team spreads out around the ball carrier.

Finally you should now that: 1-6 and 14-20 dictate how extreme you want your team style to be for each parameter so 14 is say relatively far from the ball carrier and 20 is very far etc..

7-13 Dictates you want a balance but with a slight favor towards a parameter. So 7 or 8 would mean your players your players would move slightly out wide, and say 11 12 would make them move slightly towards the middle etc..

[Randiesel75]

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@BIG CAROLINA - great post

[BIG CAROLINA]

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@BIG CAROLINA - great post

I can only take credit for finding it and posting it here, this was info that was posted on another site that I found helpful.

[southernbelle]

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i just recently started playing this game as fifa Career Mode is ridiculously boring. so this has been a breath of fresh air. it is very complicated.

the first question i have is when starting a game, there is the three options of manager controls, then simple and manual... which are you guys using? i have been letting the manager run an offensive game.

also, i do like how the manager subs for me and i control the players... what do you guys think?