Something I find curious

[tessl]

I use manage mode. Defense auto. Default sliders. No edits. Press box view. Sometimes for certain players who have good power from only one side of the plate the outfield shifts deep opposite of what it says on the player card. For example Ryan Noda has 80's PWR L and 50's PWR R. Defense auto shifts deep for a right handed pitcher and normal for left handed pitcher. I had a list of players for whom this happens but somehow misplaced it. Only happens for a few players but with press view I see it when it happens.

That by itself isn't a big deal. I can manually adjust the depth but it makes me wonder if there is a larger problem. The defense is seeing something in the code to make it think he has power opposite of his player card. Were his numbers transposed somehow in the code and instead of 80's PWR L he actually has 80's PWR R and the player card isn't an accurate reflection? I've always been curious as to how things work and this is one such thing.

[countryboy]

Can you share a video/photos of this happening?

And are these odd shifts happening in the same situations? Same number of outs, some number of runners on base, etc

Does it happen every single time the batter comes up in those situations?

[tessl]

Can you share a video/photos of this happening?

And are these odd shifts happening in the same situations? Same number of outs, some number of runners on base, etc

Does it happen every single time the batter comes up in those situations?

Sure.

Shift?

I'll try to keep better track of when it happens but I see it once in a while. In this case just to test I inserted a LHP and the defense continued to shift deep. In other cases I see no shift for a player with good power. I was compiling a list but I must have thrown it away.

I'll track this for a while and submit a submit a bug report myself with multiple examples but I've never figured out what category to use for bug reports. Is it Franchise? Gameplay? I've submitted bug reports for minor issues in manage mode with no results likely because I didn't submit it under the correct category.

[countryboy]

Sure.

Shift?

I'll try to keep better track of when it happens but I see it once in a while. In this case just to test I inserted a LHP and the defense continued to shift deep. In other cases I see no shift for a player with good power. I was compiling a list but I must have thrown it away.

I'll track this for a while and submit a submit a bug report myself with multiple examples but I've never figured out what category to use for bug reports. Is it Franchise? Gameplay? I've submitted bug reports for minor issues in manage mode with no results likely because I didn't submit it under the correct category.

From what I can tell the defense didn't change positions between when Gonsolin (RHP) was in the game versus when Lynch (LHP) was in the game. Seemed the outfield depth was the same for both.

This should be submitted as a bug under gameplay

[MiracleMet718]

Doesn’t the shift have more to do with the pre-set push/pull/balanced setting for the batter and not the power rating? Asking since I thought that was what was the driver for the shifts.

[countryboy]

Doesn’t the shift have more to do with the pre-set push/pull/balanced setting for the batter and not the power rating? Asking since I thought that was what was the driver for the shifts.

Shifting to left or right is determined by the push/pull/balanced tendency of the batter.

Whether the outfield plays normal depth or deep is partly influenced by a hitter's power rating. But there are a few factors that are used to determine how the defense decides to play a hitter in a given situation.


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[tessl]

From what I can tell the defense didn't change positions between when Gonsolin (RHP) was in the game versus when Lynch (LHP) was in the game. Seemed the outfield depth was the same for both.

This should be submitted as a bug under gameplay

You are correct. Strange situation. I was wrong that it is transposed. It appears the two numbers are added together and divided by 2. The question then becomes whether the actual power LHP and RHP is also being added together and divided by 2 or whether it's only the defensive depth. In other words does handedness matter or is it combined into one number for both vs RHP and vs LHP. Another question before I submit a bug report is whether the developers already know this. It might not be a bug. This is manage mode. Perhaps the program it differently? What do you think? Should I submit a bug report?

Vid

Notice Paredes has 60's PWR L but they are deep. They also play deep vs RHP where he has 82 PWR R.

Depth

Notice Raley with 81 PWR R they don't play deep. His PWR L is 54 and the don't play deep vs LHP either.

[countryboy]

You are correct. Strange situation. I was wrong that it is transposed. It appears the two numbers are added together and divided by 2. The question then becomes whether the actual power LHP and RHP is also being added together and divided by 2 or whether it's only the defensive depth. In other words does handedness matter or is it combined into one number for both vs RHP and vs LHP. Another question before I submit a bug report is whether the developers already know this. It might not be a bug. This is manage mode. Perhaps the program it differently? What do you think? Should I submit a bug report?

Vid

Notice Paredes has 60's PWR L but they are deep. They also play deep vs RHP where he has 82 PWR R.

Depth

Notice Raley with 81 PWR R they don't play deep. His PWR L is 54 and the don't play deep vs LHP either.

In the Paredes video there are two runners on with 1 out. Could be the Padres decided to play no doubles defense to keep the runner from first from scoring on a ball over the outfielders head.

In the Raley video there is no one on base so could be the defense decided to play straight up.

I don't believe the numbers are being added together and then divided by two. My guess is there are multiple factors that go into how a defense decides to play a hitter in a given situation. Power is one of the factors.

You can send your videos and thoughts to them as feedback to try to get a discussion started.

[tessl]

In the Paredes video there are two runners on with 1 out. Could be the Padres decided to play no doubles defense to keep the runner from first from scoring on a ball over the outfielders head.

In the Raley video there is no one on base so could be the defense decided to play straight up.

I don't believe the numbers are being added together and then divided by two. My guess is there are multiple factors that go into how a defense decides to play a hitter in a given situation. Power is one of the factors.

You can send your videos and thoughts to them as feedback to try to get a discussion started.

Both Paredes and Raley are on my team and the defense always does the same thing. Are you not seeing this in your franchise?

Are you suggesting filing a bug report or is there another way to give feedback? I'm not complaining. Just trying to figure out how the game is coded to use that information to make future personnel decisions.

[countryboy]

Both Paredes and Raley are on my team and the defense always does the same thing. Are you not seeing this in your franchise?

Are you suggesting filing a bug report or is there another way to give feedback? I'm not complaining. Just trying to figure out how the game is coded to use that information to make future personnel decisions.

Am I seeing what? You have two completely different scenarios in the videos. I could see the reasoning for Padres playing deep with men on 1st and 2nd to prevent a ball over the head allowing the runner on first to score.

Again there are likely multiple factors at play when it comes to the cpu positioning its defense as it does.

You can submit feedback without filing a bug report on the show website.


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[tessl]

Am I seeing what? You have two completely different scenarios in the videos. I could see the reasoning for Padres playing deep with men on 1st and 2nd to prevent a ball over the head allowing the runner on first to score.

Again there are likely multiple factors at play when it comes to the cpu positioning its defense as it does.

You can submit feedback without filing a bug report on the show website.


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Are you seeing what I showed in the video. Defense not playing deep for batters with a power rating vs handedness or playing deep for a player without power rating vs handedness.

[countryboy]

Are you seeing what I showed in the video. Defense not playing deep for batters with a power rating vs handedness or playing deep for a player without power rating vs handedness.

Your video showed a team playing no doubles defense with runners on first and second and one out. Your other video showed the defense playing normal depth against a hitter with decent pop.

I'm really not sure what you think you've uncovered or what you're trying to uncover or point out.

There are varying reasons for a team to decide to play a certain defensive positioning and/or depth based on the situation at hand such as the hitter at the plate, the number of outs, runners on base, etc...

You said you're trying to figure out how the game is coded to help you make future personnel decisions which honestly I don't understand what benefit you gain from the information you're apparently trying to obtain.

[tessl]

Your video showed a team playing no doubles defense with runners on first and second and one out. Your other video showed the defense playing normal depth against a hitter with decent pop.

I'm really not sure what you think you've uncovered or what you're trying to uncover or point out.

There are varying reasons for a team to decide to play a certain defensive positioning and/or depth based on the situation at hand such as the hitter at the plate, the number of outs, runners on base, etc...

You said you're trying to figure out how the game is coded to help you make future personnel decisions which honestly I don't understand what benefit you gain from the information you're apparently trying to obtain.

I apologize for doing a poor job of explaining the situation. Raley and Paredes are on my team. I'm in September 2026 and I sim nothing. Play every game in manage mode. In hundreds of plate appearances I've never seen an opposing team shift deep for Raley despite the fact he has 81 PWR R. I've never seen an opposing team play anything other than deep for Paredes despite the fact he has 66 PWR L. I previously had Bride. 75 PWR R. 35 PWR L. Teams always played deep for him despite his 35 PWR L.

It is relevant because I don't know whether the vs LHP and RHP attribute number is correct. Is it a bug with defense outfield depth or is it an accurate reflection of the batter's attributes. Especially players like Bride and Raley whose attributes indicate good from only one side of the plate and are in a platoon situation.

[countryboy]

I apologize for doing a poor job of explaining the situation. Raley and Paredes are on my team. I'm in September 2026 and I sim nothing. Play every game in manage mode. In hundreds of plate appearances I've never seen an opposing team shift deep for Raley despite the fact he has 81 PWR R. I've never seen an opposing team play anything other than deep for Paredes despite the fact he has 66 PWR L. I previously had Bride. 75 PWR R. 35 PWR L. Teams always played deep for him despite his 35 PWR L.

It is relevant because I don't know whether the vs LHP and RHP attribute number is correct. Is it a bug with defense outfield depth or is it an accurate reflection of the batter's attributes. Especially players like Bride and Raley whose attributes indicate good from only one side of the plate and are in a platoon situation.

If that is indeed the case then you need to document (video/photo) multiple at bats of those players against each handed pitcher and do so preferably with no one on base so that the situation (runners on base) doesn’t factor into how the defense positions itself.


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[tessl]

If that is indeed the case then you need to document (video/photo) multiple at bats of those players against each handed pitcher and do so preferably with no one on base so that the situation (runners on base) doesn’t factor into how the defense positions itself.


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I'll do it but I don't think it's a bug. I would think the developers know what's in their game.