New Wrigley field screenshot!

[wrigleyville33]

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They have already stated numerous times that all 30 ballparks were built from scratch.

Are you calling them liars?

FWIW, the difference between PS3 and PS4 Wrigley is night and day, as anyone who has watched the IGN livestream video in 1080 will tell you.

Pretty harsh, first year in the new generation and a lot of complaints. Maybe next year they will have all your improvements but give them a pass this year.

Perhaps because I only see Wrigley field when the Cardinals play them, but I don't see anything that is jumping out and screaming what is wrong with it, post some pictures if you could on the things that are wrong. however, saying that the stadium looks like a port the only thing I can say about that is, it looks like Wrigley field, what difference are you wanting to see? To me every stadium is a exact replica of each real stadium minus new addition to the stadiums that were done over the off season or branding advertisements, so really what else can SCEA do to the stadiums? this saying gets thrown around a bit around here about the game but it does seem to fit in this case about the stadiums "you can't reinvent the wheel"

Any talk of any stadium looking like a port is craziness. It has already been stated multiple times that all stadiums were rebuilt from the ground up for PS4.

People just throw the word port around to justify that they are right and Devs are wrong. Probably helps those who say it sleep better at night I guess.

Oh boy. I wasn't attacking the developers, and I was just stating my opinion. I do certainly enjoy your responses. I am a Cubs fan, and I am just wanting Wrigley to be as accurate as possible. If it was ported, they built it from scratch without any of the improvements they could have made.

Here is what I posted three years ago (the links to the photos may be expired by this point), and I realize they implemented the division flags:

CUBS-WRIGLEY FIELD

While Wrigley was an improvement over 09, there are still a great amount of issues with the Wrigley in '10.

*1)Center Field:
First, the famous scoreboard of Wrigley. The division flags of each division of the national league are not included:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/symbiosis/4611547221/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/the_mel...37155/sizes/l/

Also, The entire scoreboard needs to be closer to the batter's eye, as in squashed down. It still looks weird, as does the entire bleacher area. Also, it would be awesome if there was the possibility of having more fans stand along the stair ways on t****zoid bleacher section (which needs to be squashed down with the scoreboard a tad):

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cjrphot...30101/sizes/l/

Also the numbers used for outs, balls, strikes, etc are not like that at all in real life. I have a picture with how it is in mlb '10 and real life. Also notice how the electronic board below the scoreboard isn't an led board, all it does is project the player at-bat, and his numbers. You will also notice how the puke green in mlb '10 does not correctly represent the dark ivy colored green found throughout the real Wrigley:

http://img35.imageshack.us/i/mlb10theshowa.png/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/chrisre...09096/sizes/l/

Another problem with the center field area is the area in mlb '10 with the concesion stand textures (or what ever it is) right above the batter's eye. That entire area needs to be completely squashed down. The walk way right in front of that "random textured area" shouldn't even be seen, as there should be an ivy green (or black) screen covering the walk way completely. Also notice how there are actual bush shrubbery in front of the batter's eye, unlike in mlb '10 how it is just a flat pale green grass texture.

http://img35.imageshack.us/i/mlb10theshowa.png/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/asmythi...13139/sizes/l/

*2) Bleachers:
Right Field:
First and most important, there NEEDS to be bleachers in the outfield stands, NOT seats. I realize there may be coding problems, but it would be that much more realistic with bleachers in the outfield (with exception to the far right section in right field with seats. Honestly, look at the difference between the real life photo and the game photo of the right field section:

http://img35.imageshack.us/i/mlb10theshowa.png/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jcio/3973659930/sizes/l/

What is with the wacked out fence behind the "seats" in mlb '10? Where are the light posts that should be behind the seats on the walk way? Also notice how the bricks right above the ivy are NOT seen in the far right right field section that has actual seats instead of bleachers. In the game, it has bricks on top of the ivy in that section.
What I think is problem with the bleacher section is that in the game the model created doesn't over hang over the street, it stops AT the fence which is right behind the right field bleachers, while it should overhang:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/symbiosis/4611547221/

Also, the bleachers appear to be too tall in mlb '10. There doesn't appear to be as many rows, and slant facing the field appears to be at an angle of 45 degrees, while in real Wrigley, the right field bleachers are more squashed down, and appear closer to a 30 degree plane towards the field:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/4037532...62599/sizes/l/

Another view of the right field bleachers:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/joelieske/3935089981/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/4037532...62599/sizes/l/

Another view of the walk way behind the right field bleachers:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/notmargaret/4521777293/

Left Field:
Here is a great view of behind the bleachers in left. Notice how in the game, there doesn't really appear to be any walk way behind the left field bleachers, including that huge non existing fence behind them. In real life it appears as:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lizjury...63842/sizes/l/

compared to

http://img696.imageshack.us/i/mlb10theshow1.png/

Again, also notice the the light stands behind the bleachers. Also notice how in stead of that giant fence, there is a little walk way behind the bleachers, and how it is a little below the actual top of the bleachers, and also notice how there are rails, NOT a giant fence.

A general photo of the left field bleachers in the real Wrigley:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gelroda...86867/sizes/l/

*3) Misc. Issues:
The color of the grass in general looks way to pale, as the green is much more lush in real life. Also please tone down the size of the baskets, and it seems the height of the ivy colored walls still needs to be increased. Instead of using a static, flat ivy texture, it would be awesome if you gave the wall some depth, or even have it flutter in the wind a tad. I also hate how in mlb '10, the ball physics are the same with the ivy covered wall compared to regular padded walls. In real life, the ball should just die and fall right to the fielder's feet, as the ball has to go through all the leaves and vines. It would be incredible if some leaves would break off when a ball hits the wall.

The dugouts could have been 100% authentic year with the advertising of state farm. Look at the real Wrigley dugouts:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/oblik/3465135178/sizes/l/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattklitzke/4277786759/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattklitzke/4278534950/

Also the blue tarp should be on the first base side. Please make the advertisements on the outfield doors the same logo. I would be find if it just had a WHITE, not colored- cubs.com, on each door, or a similar logo to under armor, possibly even which the cubs logo in the game now, but smaller, with cubs.com right below it as sub text:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/4411045...58050/sizes/l/

For the foul poles, don't forget the retired number flags on each foul pole of left and right field. Also the inter fencing of each foul pole should be the ivy green color, NOT yellow like it is in mlb '10. The only yellow part is the actual pole, not the fence part (the part that actually extends out into play).
http://www.flickr.com/photos/klong35...01850/sizes/l/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thewest...21964/sizes/l/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/webdoyenne/485670905/

That's all I'm going to rant about tonight. Sorry for the long rambling... I really hope this helps your team Russ, but some major work needs to be done on Wrigley (yes, I'm bias). Hopefully these fixes will make it into mlb '11, and hopefully more Cubs' fans will contribute!

[merchant1874]

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Gameplay trumps minor stadium details any day in my opinion.

Some people need to re-evaluate their priorities.

Who says minor details are top of someone's priorities? Should mlb the show fans only talk about gameplay?

When the stadiums were rebuilt from scratch it is a little puzzling that some old stadium inaccuracies are still present. I like to study the stadiums every year and I'm definitely going to be going over them all with a fine tooth comb when ps4 version comes out.

[Drew127]

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Oh boy. I wasn't attacking the developers, and I was just stating my opinion. I do certainly enjoy your responses. I am a Cubs fan, and I am just wanting Wrigley to be as accurate as possible. If it was ported, they built it from scratch without any of the improvements they could have made.

Here is what I posted three years ago (the links to the photos may be expired by this point), and I realize they implemented the division flags:

CUBS-WRIGLEY FIELD

While Wrigley was an improvement over 09, there are still a great amount of issues with the Wrigley in '10.

*1)Center Field:
First, the famous scoreboard of Wrigley. The division flags of each division of the national league are not included:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/symbiosis/4611547221/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/the_mel...37155/sizes/l/

Also, The entire scoreboard needs to be closer to the batter's eye, as in squashed down. It still looks weird, as does the entire bleacher area. Also, it would be awesome if there was the possibility of having more fans stand along the stair ways on t****zoid bleacher section (which needs to be squashed down with the scoreboard a tad):

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cjrphot...30101/sizes/l/

Also the numbers used for outs, balls, strikes, etc are not like that at all in real life. I have a picture with how it is in mlb '10 and real life. Also notice how the electronic board below the scoreboard isn't an led board, all it does is project the player at-bat, and his numbers. You will also notice how the puke green in mlb '10 does not correctly represent the dark ivy colored green found throughout the real Wrigley:

http://img35.imageshack.us/i/mlb10theshowa.png/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/chrisre...09096/sizes/l/

Another problem with the center field area is the area in mlb '10 with the concesion stand textures (or what ever it is) right above the batter's eye. That entire area needs to be completely squashed down. The walk way right in front of that "random textured area" shouldn't even be seen, as there should be an ivy green (or black) screen covering the walk way completely. Also notice how there are actual bush shrubbery in front of the batter's eye, unlike in mlb '10 how it is just a flat pale green grass texture.

http://img35.imageshack.us/i/mlb10theshowa.png/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/asmythi...13139/sizes/l/

*2) Bleachers:
Right Field:
First and most important, there NEEDS to be bleachers in the outfield stands, NOT seats. I realize there may be coding problems, but it would be that much more realistic with bleachers in the outfield (with exception to the far right section in right field with seats. Honestly, look at the difference between the real life photo and the game photo of the right field section:

http://img35.imageshack.us/i/mlb10theshowa.png/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jcio/3973659930/sizes/l/

What is with the wacked out fence behind the "seats" in mlb '10? Where are the light posts that should be behind the seats on the walk way? Also notice how the bricks right above the ivy are NOT seen in the far right right field section that has actual seats instead of bleachers. In the game, it has bricks on top of the ivy in that section.
What I think is problem with the bleacher section is that in the game the model created doesn't over hang over the street, it stops AT the fence which is right behind the right field bleachers, while it should overhang:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/symbiosis/4611547221/

Also, the bleachers appear to be too tall in mlb '10. There doesn't appear to be as many rows, and slant facing the field appears to be at an angle of 45 degrees, while in real Wrigley, the right field bleachers are more squashed down, and appear closer to a 30 degree plane towards the field:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/4037532...62599/sizes/l/

Another view of the right field bleachers:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/joelieske/3935089981/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/4037532...62599/sizes/l/

Another view of the walk way behind the right field bleachers:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/notmargaret/4521777293/

Left Field:
Here is a great view of behind the bleachers in left. Notice how in the game, there doesn't really appear to be any walk way behind the left field bleachers, including that huge non existing fence behind them. In real life it appears as:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lizjury...63842/sizes/l/

compared to

http://img696.imageshack.us/i/mlb10theshow1.png/

Again, also notice the the light stands behind the bleachers. Also notice how in stead of that giant fence, there is a little walk way behind the bleachers, and how it is a little below the actual top of the bleachers, and also notice how there are rails, NOT a giant fence.

A general photo of the left field bleachers in the real Wrigley:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gelroda...86867/sizes/l/

*3) Misc. Issues:
The color of the grass in general looks way to pale, as the green is much more lush in real life. Also please tone down the size of the baskets, and it seems the height of the ivy colored walls still needs to be increased. Instead of using a static, flat ivy texture, it would be awesome if you gave the wall some depth, or even have it flutter in the wind a tad. I also hate how in mlb '10, the ball physics are the same with the ivy covered wall compared to regular padded walls. In real life, the ball should just die and fall right to the fielder's feet, as the ball has to go through all the leaves and vines. It would be incredible if some leaves would break off when a ball hits the wall.

The dugouts could have been 100% authentic year with the advertising of state farm. Look at the real Wrigley dugouts:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/oblik/3465135178/sizes/l/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattklitzke/4277786759/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattklitzke/4278534950/

Also the blue tarp should be on the first base side. Please make the advertisements on the outfield doors the same logo. I would be find if it just had a WHITE, not colored- cubs.com, on each door, or a similar logo to under armor, possibly even which the cubs logo in the game now, but smaller, with cubs.com right below it as sub text:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/4411045...58050/sizes/l/

For the foul poles, don't forget the retired number flags on each foul pole of left and right field. Also the inter fencing of each foul pole should be the ivy green color, NOT yellow like it is in mlb '10. The only yellow part is the actual pole, not the fence part (the part that actually extends out into play).
http://www.flickr.com/photos/klong35...01850/sizes/l/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thewest...21964/sizes/l/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/webdoyenne/485670905/

That's all I'm going to rant about tonight. Sorry for the long rambling... I really hope this helps your team Russ, but some major work needs to be done on Wrigley (yes, I'm bias). Hopefully these fixes will make it into mlb '11, and hopefully more Cubs' fans will contribute!

That is a very detailed list, and backs up your statements (notice the word choice, as opposed to "complaints"). You aren't complaining, you are raising your thoughts and pointing out things that can be improved.

You can't say anything around here without being attacked. I believe the common term to describe the behavior on here is "circle jerk".

[Turbojugend]

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**Wrigley observations**

Your attention to detail is impressive and I'm sure the game artists could learn a thing or two about Wrigley from your post, but I can only imagine what would happen if every teams' fans made similarly detailed observations about the nuances of every single MLB stadium. With the advancements in next-gen technology and greater attention to detail as a result, it's probably going to take several iterations to get everything nailed perfectly.

Just my opinion.

[ryanmc564]

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Wrigleyville33, That's was a perfect example of how to critique and show what needs to be fixed. I understand where you are coming from, there are a few things with Busch that I have noticed that I would like to see changed or fixed that others might not of noticed not being a fan of that team. I think a lot of people get annoyed when someone throws the word "port" around just because it looks similar and usually they offer no insight to what they want it to look like, which is all I meant by my response was that. Obvious this wasn't the case in your situation, you have a tremendous eye for detail. But for me even with the few things wrong with busch doesn't bother me because when I'm actually playing the game I don't even noticed them, its all game play.

[bcruise]

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Wrigleyville33, That's was a perfect example of how to critique and show what needs to be fixed. I understand where you are coming from, there are a few things with Busch that I have noticed that I would like to see changed or fixed that others might not of noticed not being a fan of that team. I think a lot of people get annoyed when someone throws the word "port" around just because it looks similar and usually they offer no insight to what they want it to look like, which is all I meant by my response was that. Obvious this wasn't the case in your situation, you have a tremendous eye for detail. But for me even with the few things wrong with busch doesn't bother me because when I'm actually playing the game I don't even noticed them, its all game play.

Same here, as one who "liked" Psycho's post. Very well thought out.

[Cubs1984Nostaglia]

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I loved that post. Please lets hope one of the devs or Russell will notice it.

[natejelinek]

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One thing that bothers me is the way the buildings in the background are presented. In The Show, the buildings are very big (HUGE COMPARED TO SCOREBOARD) and crisp looking-
http://www.operationsports.com/forum...99604858_n.jpg

In real life the buildings are a good distance away from the stadium and they look that way. The buildings should look kind of faded or more foggy I guess. (I think would make it look farther away) Plus, I don't even know where they are getting some of the buildings you can see in the game. This picture is from close to the same angle

http://www.kimvsgluten.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/IMG_1563.jpg

pic i took yesterday at the birthday game-

http://instagram.com/p/nKAQUzqghK/

I'm not trying to complain about something so small in this amazing game, but I'm just pointing out how they could make it look even better



EDIT- Also, look at the size of the scoreboard in the Show screenshot, then the second picture from the same angle. Compare the size of the board to the batters eye. The scoreboard is too big! The video ribbon on the bottom needs to only reach to the edges of where to bleachers come to the top. In the game, it hangs over quite a bit. Idk, put the two pictures in separate tabs and flip back and forth and see what ya think...

[Moegames]

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The flags......

The Buildings and Houses ...look much better now in the PS4 version..not just this shot but other pic's i noticed how the skylines are much more realistic looking..which to me is an important aspect to various ballparks

[Moegames]

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One thing that bothers me is the way the buildings in the background are presented. In The Show, the buildings are very big (HUGE COMPARED TO SCOREBOARD) and crisp looking-
http://www.operationsports.com/forum...99604858_n.jpg

In real life the buildings are a good distance away from the stadium and they look that way. The buildings should look kind of faded or more foggy I guess. (I think would make it look farther away) Plus, I don't even know where they are getting some of the buildings you can see in the game. This picture is from close to the same angle

http://www.kimvsgluten.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/IMG_1563.jpg

pic i took yesterday at the birthday game-

http://instagram.com/p/nKAQUzqghK/

I'm not trying to complain about something so small in this amazing game, but I'm just pointing out how they could make it look even better



EDIT- Also, look at the size of the scoreboard in the Show screenshot, then the second picture from the same angle. Compare the size of the board to the batters eye. The scoreboard is too big! The video ribbon on the bottom needs to only reach to the edges of where to bleachers come to the top. In the game, it hangs over quite a bit. Idk, put the two pictures in separate tabs and flip back and forth and see what ya think...

The faded and smoggy look depends on where your sitting and how many are grilling outside of the stadium. I know i go to cubs games all year long....the two pic's you posted are from far different view points too.

I do know this...same days the background buildings are less visible than other days when its crystial clear and the sun is at a specific point in the sky...this is from two things...the fog from Lake Michigan sometimes puts a smoggy effect over the city and 2nd as i mentioned...the amount of people grilling outside of the stadium is ridiculous and of course gives off that smoggy look from the distance from inside the stadium looking to the outside of stadium.

In my honest opinion...The dev's hit the nail on the head with Wrigley Field. I know that stadium so well..like i said im there at atleast half of all home games.

[wrigleyville33]

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Your attention to detail is impressive and I'm sure the game artists could learn a thing or two about Wrigley from your post, but I can only imagine what would happen if every teams' fans made similarly detailed observations about the nuances of every single MLB stadium. With the advancements in next-gen technology and greater attention to detail as a result, it's probably going to take several iterations to get everything nailed perfectly.

Just my opinion.

Why I do think it would be quite the task, I think stadium accuracy would be well worth it. The Show is all about the "little things." That is what the game's brand has become. Then again, I don't know how many stadium artists they have. When I was working on my 2009 Tropicana Field stadium mod for mvpmods, I was working on my own schedule which let me nail all the fine details. However, I had no idea the difficulty of importing all of my changes back into the game (like collision detection, etc.), which ultimately brought my progress to a halt. For all I know, they might have already tried to incorporate my changes, but it may have screwed up other aspects of the game. I just thought going into the next generation would be a big step in the right direction, and next year might be different.

[Cubs1984Nostaglia]

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As a Cubs fan I find it awesome there is a huge thread just talking about Wrigley

[thaSLAB]

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One thing that bothers me is the way the buildings in the background are presented. In The Show, the buildings are very big (HUGE COMPARED TO SCOREBOARD) and crisp looking-
http://www.operationsports.com/forum...99604858_n.jpg

In real life the buildings are a good distance away from the stadium and they look that way. The buildings should look kind of faded or more foggy I guess. (I think would make it look farther away) Plus, I don't even know where they are getting some of the buildings you can see in the game. This picture is from close to the same angle

http://www.kimvsgluten.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/IMG_1563.jpg

pic i took yesterday at the birthday game-

http://instagram.com/p/nKAQUzqghK/

I'm not trying to complain about something so small in this amazing game, but I'm just pointing out how they could make it look even better



EDIT- Also, look at the size of the scoreboard in the Show screenshot, then the second picture from the same angle. Compare the size of the board to the batters eye. The scoreboard is too big! The video ribbon on the bottom needs to only reach to the edges of where to bleachers come to the top. In the game, it hangs over quite a bit. Idk, put the two pictures in separate tabs and flip back and forth and see what ya think...

Actually it's not necessarily the scoreboard, but the stands underneath are too narrow. Overall, I thinks it's a good representation of Wrigley. Not perfect but now that the foundations are laid, they should continue to improve.

FYI, I've noted you guys concerns for next the CD.

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[GruffyMcGuiness]

New Wrigley field screenshot!

In games that are a blowout, fans do leave early. I've had games where attendance would be full at the start and if I was winning by a lot (or losing) the attendance would cut to half or less by the 7th and this was on MLB 13. But you don't really get to SEE them get up and leave, which would be cool.

I think they need to add a feature where after all the Nationals fans have left in the 7th when being blow out by the Braves, the remaining fans do the tomahawk chop like in real life

Trollin'

[SoxFan01605]

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EDIT- Also, look at the size of the scoreboard in the Show screenshot, then the second picture from the same angle. Compare the size of the board to the batters eye. The scoreboard is too big! The video ribbon on the bottom needs to only reach to the edges of where to bleachers come to the top. In the game, it hangs over quite a bit. Idk, put the two pictures in separate tabs and flip back and forth and see what ya think...

I agree. IMO this has been a common occurrence with the stadiums in general. I'm not sure if it's the actual object scale or relation to the cameras used, but the stadiums seem to appear small at times compared to the real thing, which can make things (like the Wrigley scoreboard) seem big or close.

I have literally zero programming knowledge beyond what I hear regurgitated here, so I have no idea how simple something like that is to adjust (i.e. if it's as simple as relative scaling or actually rescaling the objects themselves) but I think that would go a long way towards accuracy for a lot of people.