This game feels so scripted at times

[spitoon]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

I think one of the issues is that people start trying to force their way out of a bad inning/jam and forget to "pitch". They start trying to quickly get through the rough stretch, throw more hittable pitches and then everything snowballs from there.

This.

I have to catch myself quite often trying to just 'get through' an inning.

This is one of the great things about this game. If you don't focus, it will make you pay. I think its a good representation of MLB baseball...these guys are the best in the world at what they do, there are no easy outs, and if you don't bear down you will be in trouble.

Example:

I don't get a lot of time to play so generally I get up before everyone else in my house on the weekends and get a game or two in. Last Saturday, I'm in the 6th inning of a 1-0 game and my wife comes down from the bedroom earlier than she normally would on a weekend. She grabs a coffee and just sits on the sofa and has some idle chit chat with me while I'm playing. Before the end of the inning I'm trailing 6-1. I thought I was still focusing on the game and I went through a couple relievers to get the right match-ups etc, but I know I wasn't focused on the game as much as I should have. It happens.

[extremeskins04]

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I think one of the issues is that people start trying to force their way out of a bad inning/jam and forget to "pitch". They start trying to quickly get through the rough stretch, throw more hittable pitches and then everything snowballs from there.

I hear you but honestly I'm even more careful about picking my spots when the 8th inning starts, etc. It just seems like a lot of games are close calls or as soon as we put in a reliever all hell breaks loose.

Now granted I know that relievers can be hit or miss but even relievers like David Robertson, Venters, Storen or those guys end up getting smoked in late innings.

I don't mind some games that are close, but honestly I would rather get shutout 12-0 in some games over always have close call games like 4-3, 3-2, etc.

My point is that always having close games or even being up 5-0 and in the 8th when a reliever comes in..end up losing 6-5 is just crap. Sure it happens sometimes, but not every other game.

[TheFlamingWeazel]

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Why does every game have to turn into a nail biter at the end? There's been so many occasions where I dominate the CPU (pitching-wise) only to have them pull some miraculous feat at the end to tie it up.

It's baseball... it's going to happen every once in a while. But it's gotten to the point where it's at least every other game in my franchise.

No it simply isn't, I get blown out and blow others out all the time, I am 11-6 in my chise had 3 close ga,mes.... It's too small a sample size, and it means the AI is picking up on patterns, or you struggle to hit thus keeping scores close. It's a you issue not the game.

[allstardad]

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I hear you but honestly I'm even more careful about picking my spots when the 8th inning starts, etc. It just seems like a lot of games are close calls or as soon as we put in a reliever all hell breaks loose.

Now granted I know that relievers can be hit or miss but even relievers like David Robertson, Venters, Storen or those guys end up getting smoked in late innings.

I don't mind some games that are close, but honestly I would rather get shutout 12-0 in some games over always have close call games like 4-3, 3-2, etc.

My point is that always having close games or even being up 5-0 and in the 8th when a reliever comes in..end up losing 6-5 is just crap. Sure it happens sometimes, but not every other game.

Believe me, getting shutout 12-0 is not fun..LOL

I'm in mid-June and I've seen a wide variety of games. I've blown out the opposition, been shutout myself, gave up leads late and have come back myself.

No two games, at least to me, feel the same.

[Will I Am]

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I heard a rumor a couple years ago that SCEA was trying to hire away a Naughty Dog script writer (Amy Hennig?), so that The Show can be a little better scripted. I don't know what the status is.

One of the reasons why some people feel bewildered by the ineffectiveness of relievers (which often cause late-inning surge of CPU offense) may be that they don't know how much the size of PCI changes based on the pitcher's ratings.

Since you cannot put the PCI on while CPU is batting, even if you throw a fastball in the same location, with a decent starter and a below-average reliever one can retire the batter while the other goes into the stand.

You need to be a lot more careful with relievers than with starters.

So are you saying that starters in general are just more effective than relievers in the game? If so I'm not sure that should be the case.

It seems to me that relievers these days are all (for the most part) like all-star starters. They all seem to come in throwing heat with late movement. It's getting to be that if you have a lead going into the 7th that it's money in the bank with just a few exceptions.

[Will I Am]

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Relievers are always an adventure. Your best reliever will be the equivalent to a number 5 starter. So tread lightly.

Like I'd said to Nomo this shouldn't be the case. Most relievers that come into games from the 7th on are closer to #1/2 starters at least. Would editing those relievers reflect this in the game or since they are still listed as relievers would they still be more ineffective due to some under the hood setting?

[dubplate]

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Sports games aren't scripted. Period.

NBA2K14 never got that memo.

I have yet to feel cheated playing this game, though.

If you aren't paying attention, making the right pitching moves at the right times, etc. you will pay for it as you should.

[birthday_massacre]

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I wish I had a nickel for every time somebody said a sports video game was scripted...

Its because there is rubber banding build into the CPU AI in sports video games. Its how it stays competitive. When it wasn't built in like on the genesis / SNES era games, we got stuff like NHL 94 or 95 where you could win games 18-1 on a regular basis and that is on 5 minute periods.

When I was a kid for fun I played a 20 minute period game and I won 84-1.

[nomo17k]

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So are you saying that starters in general are just more effective than relievers in the game? If so I'm not sure that should be the case.

It seems to me that relievers these days are all (for the most part) like all-star starters. They all seem to come in throwing heat with late movement. It's getting to be that if you have a lead going into the 7th that it's money in the bank with just a few exceptions.

No, the things is, if the reliever is a better pitcher, then he should really be starting. You want your better pitchers to pitch more innings than worse pitchers just to increase the chance of winning. Many relievers are impressive only in one or two categories (like mid- or high-90s fastball), and their limited arsenal prevents from sustaining their success over a longer term, when they have to face the same batters three times each game repeatedly, as starters have to do.

There is also some pitcher confidence/command effect in The Show. Pitchers are most effective after they establish the command of at least one or two pitches and also the overall confidence, but with relievers you don't really have time to "warm up" sufficiently during the game. So things can really get ugly when you leave a reliever in for too long (even a couple ABs) when he clearly has trouble establishing the confidence/command.

I think there is a room for discussion as to how how "worse" relievers should be in the game in general, how should confidence/command factor into the game, etc., but that needs to be separated from comeback/scripted-feel discussions which always get ruined by flat-Earth theorists.

[allstardad]

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Its because there is rubber banding build into the CPU AI in sports video games. Its how it stays competitive. When it wasn't built in like on the genesis / SNES era games, we got stuff like NHL 94 or 95 where you could win games 18-1 on a regular basis and that is on 5 minute periods.

When I was a kid for fun I played a 20 minute period game and I won 84-1.

If there is such a thing as rubber band AI, then:

1) Why does it not exist in every game? (When human blows out cpu)
2) What triggers it?

If it does exist then there has to be something within the game that triggers it to happen.

[birthday_massacre]

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If there is such a thing as rubber band AI, then:

1) Why does it not exist in every game? (When human blows out cpu)
2) What triggers it?

If it does exist then there has to be something within the game that triggers it to happen.

It doesn't have to happen every game. It can happen just enough to keep a season competitive. I never know why people can't admit there is rubber banding AI in sports game when some Devs have admitted to it in the past like the NHL EA guy did one year.

It can just trigger randomly just like everything else does in video games. Its all a formula , just like in games like NBA2k14 where the CPU decides when your shot is going to go in or not.

You can release the shot stick at the exact same time every time but the shot isn't always going to go in since there is some formula in the background that deicides when that shot goes in and when it doesnt.

Just like rubber banding does.

Why in NBA2k14 can you take a shot at the end of the game and release it at the exact same time as another game but one time it will go in and the other it won't?

People give examples and bring it up every year, if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, its a duck.

[allstardad]

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It doesn't have to happen every game. It can happen just enough to keep a season competitive. I never know why people can't admit there is rubber banding AI in sports game when some Devs have admitted to it in the past like the NHL EA guy did one year.

But the devs for the Show have said that it doesn't exist in the game. There is no comeback code or rubber banding AI.

It can just trigger randomly just like everything else does in video games. Its all a formula , just like in games like NBA2k14 where the CPU decides when your shot is going to go in or not.

You can release the shot stick at the exact same time every time but the shot isn't always going to go in since there is some formula in the background that deicides when that shot goes in and when it doesnt.

Just like rubber banding does.

Why in NBA2k14 can you take a shot at the end of the game and release it at the exact same time as another game but one time it will go in and the other it won't?

People give examples and bring it up every year, if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, its a duck.

But by this explanation, why would one play sports video games at all, since they all seem be scripted?

The examples are always the same every year. Someone loses a game to the cpu due to the cpu making a comeback and they scream rubber band AI/Comeback Code/Scripted.

It NEVER starts when the human comes back against the cpu. Those are categorized as great accomplishments.

[kchuskey]

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I just lost to the Rangers 12-0. Where was my rubber band at!?

[PsychoBulk]

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Games been out 9 days.

Im surprised it took this long for this thread to rear its head this year, must be a record...

[birthday_massacre]

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But the devs for the Show have said that it doesn't exist in the game. There is no comeback code or rubber banding AI.



But by this explanation, why would one play sports video games at all, since they all seem be scripted?

The examples are always the same every year. Someone loses a game to the cpu due to the cpu making a comeback and they scream rubber band AI/Comeback Code/Scripted.

It NEVER starts when the human comes back against the cpu. Those are categorized as great accomplishments.

Why would anyone play a sports video game if you could go 162-0 in a baseball game or 82-0 in a basketball game?

No one said it happens on the time, that is why people say at times it seems scripted.



You can lose a game and know why you lost and those are not the games people are taking about. Those are not the games people complain about.

Its the games where you will be winning in the bottom of the 9th and you will have two errors in a row on easy ground balls with a gold glove IF, then the #9 hitter who has no power hits a home run to win the game on a waste pitch that was not even in the strike zone.