Does anyone use the DH in the NL?

[Billy...a_kid]

Re: Does anyone use the DH in the NL?

2-0 game, bottom of 5th (or maybe 6th), you are losing, your ace is pitching, so do you pinch hit for him because he cannot hit, or leave him in for the excellent pitching (it was an error and a bomb; he's throwing a 1-hitter).

NON-EXISTENT in the AL, literally.

Baseball vs. Mashball; I go purist every time!

[rjackson]

Re: Does anyone use the DH in the NL?

Either ESPN or MLBN had a snippet that showed how close the NL came to having a DH as well...save for a fishing trip.

I prefer NL baseball, myself. It is hard enough to watch a game when the cameras keep going to the crowd when I'd prefer to see the defensive alignment (OF playing no doubles? Infielders guarding the lines?) or a million of other things I could bring up about broadcasts. At the least, the NL still gives me a little something to think about.

[moth to a flame]

Re: Does anyone use the DH in the NL?

Give me strategy, or give me death.

The strategy is exaggerated. Give me the best players on the field at all times.

[moth to a flame]

Re: Does anyone use the DH in the NL?

2-0 game, bottom of 5th (or maybe 6th), you are losing, your ace is pitching, so do you pinch hit for him because he cannot hit, or leave him in for the excellent pitching (it was an error and a bomb; he's throwing a 1-hitter).

NON-EXISTENT in the AL, literally.

Baseball vs. Mashball; I go purist every time!

That's not strategy. That's choosing the lesser of two evils. Have a crappy hitter hit, or have a lesser pitcher pitch.

[dbacks_Nation]

Re: Does anyone use the DH in the NL?

The strategy is exaggerated. Give me the best players on the field at all times.

That's not strategy. That's choosing the lesser of two evils. Have a crappy hitter hit, or have a lesser pitcher pitch.

Let's not beat this dead horse.

[tessl]

Re: Does anyone use the DH in the NL?

I use manage mode and I turn DH off for both leagues. DH baseball is boring and doesn't use the entire 25 man baseball.

[Hender3]

Re: Does anyone use the DH in the NL?

I keep the DH how it is. I don't like the DH at all. In my opinion, I think everyone should have to play the field to hit. Doesn't seem fair to have a guy that only hits 4 times a day.

As far as letting pitchers hit, if there is someone on with 0 outs or 1 out.. Im bunting. I wanna move that runner (or runners) over for my leadoff, 2nd, and 3rd hitter to drive in.

[cardinalbird5]

Re: Does anyone use the DH in the NL?

Bill James argued it was tougher to manage in the AL, because the choices aren't automatic or common sense (AKA pinch hitting when your pitcher comes up thus forcing you to choose someone else in the pen). You also see more 4-5 out saves in the AL than you do in the NL.

I don't necessarily agree with that, but it is something to consider. NL just seems more annoying to manage than anything. Most of the moves done in the NL are what most fans would do and what managers are expected to do. There isn't much variety. Every manager pretty much does the same thing with no innovation or outside the box thinking.

AL you have more flexibility, but at the same time managers have a bit more choices on how to allocate their innings among their relievers.

For the little outcome of wins/losses managers do have with their respected teams, managing the bullpen is probably the only significant tangible asset they can bring to their ball club. This goes out the window when virtually every NL manager does the same thing with their bullpen. But let's be honest....managing a baseball team is not that difficult compared to other sports like Basketball, Hockey, Football, Soccer, etc nor do managers have that much effect on if their teams win or lose. In fact, statistics have shown that no manager has actually added win value to their respective ball club. There are just managers who manage to screw it up less than other managers.

Sorry for the random rant...just read "Baseball between the numbers".

[moth to a flame]

Re: Does anyone use the DH in the NL?

I don't necessarily agree with that, but it is something to consider. NL just seems more annoying to manage than anything. Most of the moves done in the NL are what most fans would do and what managers are expected to do. There isn't much variety. Every manager pretty much does the same thing with no innovation or outside the box thinking.

That is exactly why I said that strategy is exaggerated. Its not exactly complicated.

[dbacks_Nation]

Re: Does anyone use the DH in the NL?

Bill James argued it was tougher to manage in the AL, because the choices aren't automatic or common sense (AKA pinch hitting when your pitcher comes up thus forcing you to choose someone else in the pen). You also see more 4-5 out saves in the AL than you do in the NL.

I don't necessarily agree with that, but it is something to consider. NL just seems more annoying to manage than anything. Most of the moves done in the NL are what most fans would do and what managers are expected to do. There isn't much variety. Every manager pretty much does the same thing with no innovation or outside the box thinking.

AL you have more flexibility, but at the same time managers have a bit more choices on how to allocate their innings among their relievers.

For the little outcome of wins/losses managers do have with their respected teams, managing the bullpen is probably the only significant tangible asset they can bring to their ball club. This goes out the window when virtually every NL manager does the same thing with their bullpen. But let's be honest....managing a baseball team is not that difficult compared to other sports like Basketball, Hockey, Football, Soccer, etc nor do managers have that much effect on if their teams win or lose. In fact, statistics have shown that no manager has actually added win value to their respective ball club. There are just managers who manage to screw it up less than other managers.

Sorry for the random rant...just read "Baseball between the numbers".

How can you say that with a St. Louis avatar? Were you asleep the entire time you had LaRussa as a manager?

[moth to a flame]

Re: Does anyone use the DH in the NL?

A baseball manager is the most overrated position in all of sports. They have very minimal affect on the outcome of a game or over the course of a season. Look up Neil Paine's study.

[cardinalbird5]

Re: Does anyone use the DH in the NL?

Yes and I read his books. I agree he is a good motivator but he was highly overrated with his in game tactics, as most managers are. I am also not biased...I don't care which team I follow. I use statistics and logic to guide my opinions.

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[Billy...a_kid]

Re: Does anyone use the DH in the NL?

That's not strategy. That's choosing the lesser of two evils. Have a crappy hitter hit, or have a lesser pitcher pitch.

That seems like a diluted view of it, but hey, if it pleases you, go for it.

Personally, I dislike the DH because of how it affects the strategy of the game.

[Billy...a_kid]

Re: Does anyone use the DH in the NL?

Let's not beat this dead horse.

It is a discussion on the DH. They should share their opinions.

Why even post if this is what you feel; move on; don't read; etc., etc.

[Hoosierdaddy76]

Re: Does anyone use the DH in the NL?

No. I've come to terms with using a DH while playing with an AL team, but would never even consider using a DH in the NL. I like being forced to make decisions as to whether I should leave a pitcher in to hit who has a couple of innings left or to take a chance on a red-hot, pinch-hitter who may blow the game wide open. Sometimes, these decisions can pay off or they can come back to bite you in yer ***, which makes me feel as though I'm actually having more of an effect on the outcome of the game as a manager.