All-Star Hitting Tips?

[kehlis]

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As far as the PCI movement in Zone is concerned, nomo is correct. The PCI will move on its own, up or down, depending on whether you're late or early on your swing.

Unless I misunderstand him that's not what he said though.

The PCI does not move at all during the swing and therefore does not affect anything during the swing.

It reacts to the timing of the swing and may change during the post swing feedback based on timing but that is completely different than actually affecting the swing as it happens in real time.

It does not, but based on the relative timing between the pitch and your swing, the post-pitch PCI moves up or down slightly from where you placed it, to refelect whether you swung over (early) or under (late).

I said so does the AI PCI change and he said that it does not.


I'm sure he can clarify but the way I've understood zone hitting since the inception of this game is that it is reliant on user input and has zero AI involvement (and I can post my batting stats as that would probably back that up )



The way I interpret it is that the trajectory of the swing and the timing of it can change where it ends up in the zone thus changing the API as final feedback but that doesn't mean the AI changed it since it was still determined by the manual swing.

Yes, long run on sentence, but it's bedtime for me.

[Mrmagoo]

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Wow... Wasn't trying to mislead or tell someone how to play the game. I failed to clarify what I meant as for the PCI movement in my post, and again I'm sorry for that. Won't say anymore other than hope you're able to improve your hitting AlexFord in whichever way you decide to play.

[nomo17k]

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Unless I misunderstand him that's not what he said though.

The PCI does not move at all during the swing and therefore does not affect anything during the swing.

It reacts to the timing of the swing and may change during the post swing feedback based on timing but that is completely different than actually affecting the swing as it happens in real time.




I said so does the AI PCI change and he said that it does not.


I'm sure he can clarify but the way I've understood zone hitting since the inception of this game is that it is reliant on user input and has zero AI involvement (and I can post my batting stats as that would probably back that up )



The way I interpret it is that the trajectory of the swing and the timing of it can change where it ends up in the zone thus changing the API as final feedback but that doesn't mean the AI changed it since it was still determined by the manual swing.

Yes, long run on sentence, but it's bedtime for me.

Yeah, what I meant is what kehlis wrote, but Bobhead probably didn't really mean that PCI moves on its own will (as in, our son down there does by itself out of our will).

When a hitter swings, he tends to slightly uppercut (as shown in the pic of Pujol's swing attached). As a pitch generally sinks downward as it approaches the plate due to gravity, to square up it is optimal to slightly uppercut.

If you are fooled by an off-speed pitch, then your point of contact with the ball would happen when your bat is slightly above where you actually wanted to make the contact with the pitch. In turn, you swing over the pitch and PCI will be above the pitch. The opposite happens when you swing a bit late.

With zone hitting, your are moving PCI to where you "desire" to make the contact with the pitch and that's your desired plate coverage. But you aren't always successful doing so, and when you are fooled by timing, then the actual point of contact would be shifted as described above. The post-pitch PCI in the swing feedback tells what actually happened, which might be slightly different from what you intended. With the left stick (pre-pitch), you are only moving the PCI in the two-dimensional plane of strike zone, but once you start swinging, the time also factors in. That the third dimension which gets "projected" onto the swing feedback thing that we see after the pitch.

At least that's how I understand things right now, and I think it makes sense.

I started using Zone seriously since MLB 13 (I used Pure Analog before), so I don't actually know if this has always been how PCI was drawn in the swing feedback. In MLB 13, I was actually kinda surprised that the PCI moved slightly up or down based on timing. That makes sense given what PCI as a concept represents, and it might be done this way now that perhaps some people were complaining how PCI placement and the resulting batted ball don't appear to be in sync sometimes? Not sure about that point.

[kehlis]

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Wow... Wasn't trying to mislead or tell someone how to play the game.

I'm assuming this is aimed at me and I'm not sure where you got this impression but I never suggested you attempted to mislead or tell somehow how to play. Just wanted to clear it up for the OP, that's all.

It was nothing personal.

[TuffGnarl]

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I've played 14 games with zone now. I definitely prefer it, although it's starting to feel like I might have to accept defeat. My batting average has stalled at around .152. I set the training assignments to auto but despite the fact my player has pretty bad contact stats (45 for both) I'm mostly being assigned fielding drills. I'm also playing significantly more ABs than anybody on the team. 184 compared to the next highest 166 and 154, despite being way down the batting order.

I've certainly been making more contact though, but my hits frequently become the subject of miraculous catches or in the case of fly balls I just don't have the power to make a home run. Incidentally I have no home runs in 46 games haha. My attributes are 34 and 35 for power.

Really don't want to turn down the difficulty though! Is there a batting practice thing hidden away in franchise somewhere?

[TuffGnarl]

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Ok, scratch what I posted earlier. I started using the contact swing exclusively and in the ten games since made 15 hits, 1 HR, 6 RBI for a batting average of .366. I guess that plays to my strengths (relative concept haha) given that my player has superior contact to power attributes.

Might have a little too much time on my hands at the moment... Haha.

[Bobhead]

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I'd also consider lowering pitch speed slider by a point or two. Whatever your comfortable speed was for Timing, you will need a little more time than that for Zone.

[brahmabull]

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I like timing cause it gives you something less to worry about

[COMMISSIONERHBK9]

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FOR THE guys that use zone couple questions. one what reticle are you using? where are you put the cursor at before the pitch? are you putting it in your hot zones,up,down,left or right? do you have to move the left cursor after the pitch is thrown?

[TuffGnarl]

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FOR THE guys that use zone couple questions. one what reticle are you using? where are you put the cursor at before the pitch? are you putting it in your hot zones,up,down,left or right? do you have to move the left cursor after the pitch is thrown?

I've been using outline because I like the size and it's less obtrusive than classic. But I think that's totally down to personal preference. I've been leaving the cursor in the middle initially. If I see a pattern in the pitching I'll move it. But generally centred or just below centre has been working for me. I should stress that I've only just started using zone though, the other guys who've been giving me advice may be able to offer something more insightful.

[jcar0725]

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It's probably different for each person, but if I were you I would really try this, it works for me.

I always approach each pitch as it will be a slow, breaking pitch. Mostly an outside curveball. If I have each pitch in my mind like that, a slow, outside breaking ball, then I can react to everything else.

If I just sit there reacting to every possible pitch that could be coming next, then I have no time to react at all. If I "sit on" the curveball away, then I can somehow SEE every other pitch speed and location better. Try it.

[TuffGnarl]

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I've cooled off again badly. Probably only hit 20/25 in the entire month following my ten game hot streak. Not entirely sure how. My player also isn't growing. I assume that's to do with form.

[nomo17k]

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FOR THE guys that use zone couple questions. one what reticle are you using? where are you put the cursor at before the pitch? are you putting it in your hot zones,up,down,left or right? do you have to move the left cursor after the pitch is thrown?

I use "reticle" for PCI as it probably is the least invasive of all options. I don't feel hot/cold zones affect things that significantly, so I just use my own tendency, strength, weakness, pitchers, etc. to decide to where I place my PCI. In general, though, I tend to place it around belt-high so that I won't be late on high fastball. For me moving PCI down to go after off-speed is doable, but moving it up for high fastball is very difficult.

[Heroesandvillains]

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I use "reticle" for PCI as it probably is the least invasive of all options. I don't feel hot/cold zones affect things that significantly, so I just use my own tendency, strength, weakness, pitchers, etc. to decide to where I place my PCI. In general, though, I tend to place it around belt-high so that I won't be late on high fastball. For me moving PCI down to go after off-speed is doable, but moving it up for high fastball is very difficult.

When I used zone years ago, this is EXACTLY how I approached it.

In MLB 10 I hit on Legend and hit very well.

Why I suck so much now is anyone's guess! Timing is the only way I can hit a lick these days.

[DallasRocks]

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Recently went to All Star hitting and nothing is more frustrating then getting three straight singles and not scoring. What are some recommendations for baserunner speed and throwing strength so I can score from second on a base hit. Right now it is practically impossible to score even with two outs and big lead from second.