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  • Yankees3133
    Rookie
    • Sep 2009
    • 45

    #1

    Recognize Changeup?

    Anyone have tips for recognizing/hitting the changeup? That pitch is killing me!
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    • Feb 2003
    • 19171

    #2
    Re: Recognize Changeup?

    Originally posted by Yankees3133
    Anyone have tips for recognizing/hitting the changeup? That pitch is killing me!
    I wish I did. That and Splitfinger FBs are nearly impossible for me. The only time I hit them is when I face a guy that throws high 90s and his CH/SPL are in the mid 80s.
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    • aukevin
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      • Dec 2002
      • 14700

      #3
      Re: Recognize Changeup?

      Biggest problem I have too. The only thing that helps me is knowing the count and what to expect in that situation.

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      • Steven78
        Banned
        • Apr 2013
        • 7240

        #4
        Re: Recognize Changeup?

        Welcome to the club!

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        • crewe22
          Rookie
          • Dec 2009
          • 21

          #5
          Re: Recognize Changeup?

          This could be due to the release style of some pitchers too, but there's an ever so slight arc to the ball as it's released when compared to a FB.
          As noted above, I just try to apply the situation and look for it and hope I can foul off the FB if I'm duped.

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          • kehlis
            Moderator
            • Jul 2008
            • 27738

            #6
            Re: Recognize Changeup?

            Honestly I don't think there are tips, I do well with them but don't really do anything specific or different, I just think it becomes more of a feel thing.


            I will say I have much more success with them against pitchers that don't have as hard of a fastball (it's not the differentiation between the speed of the pitches but how much quicker I have to react to someone like Felix Hernandez's fastball).

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            • nickefer
              Rookie
              • Jul 2011
              • 119

              #7
              Re: Recognize Changeup?

              Not much to look for as far as tips. That's the idea behind changeups and why pitchers with good changeups are so effective. Changeups are meant to look like fastballs with their release it's all in how the pitcher holds the ball for how slow it comes.

              Best tip I can give you is be aware of your count and the pitcher's tendencies.


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              • cardinalbird5
                MVP
                • Jul 2006
                • 2814

                #8
                Re: Recognize Changeup?

                Look for it....sit on it

                I almost always look offspeed and I can still hit mid to away fastballs to opposite field or foul them. Inside fastballs you will get jammed...but oh well don't swing until you have to. Sliders are the hardest pitches for me to pick up on.

                Circle change or Vulcan change ups you can change your camera angle to get some better depth perception on the break and pick it up like that. Straight changes are pretty tough to pick up on a video game though.
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                • Gagnon39
                  Windy City Sports Fan
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 8544

                  #9
                  Re: Recognize Changeup?

                  I'm a sucker for the high fastball. The higher it is, the more difficult it is for me to lay off of it.
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                  • nomo17k
                    Permanently Banned
                    • Feb 2011
                    • 5735

                    #10
                    Re: Recognize Changeup?

                    The main strength of changeup is the obscuration, so it is naturally difficult to distinguish the pitch from fastball... otherwise, what's the point?

                    That said, it is extra difficult in the game because we cannot have the 3D perception, so when the pitch is coming directly toward you, the speed difference is not as easily felt. That's one reason why I like using an offset camera, so that the pitch travels a little more on the screen. So I think that's one option. Using an offset camera.

                    I got much better at handling off-speed junks low in the zone in general when I started to learn to lay them off.

                    If a change up is thrown low, then it will drop off the table and becomes a ball, so it's better to just let it go than trying to hit it. The only issue is that if it's a fastball, then it may be a strike. But with a pitch thrown low, you have a split second more to judge whether it's a fastball or change.

                    If I go after a changeup, then I actually look for one thrown around the middle of the plate... since if it is indeed a change up, then it will only catch the bottom part of the strike zone. You have a chance that you might actually miss a fat fastball down the middle, but it's a trade off between that and whiffing/grounding weakly on a low changeup.
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                    • kehlis
                      Moderator
                      • Jul 2008
                      • 27738

                      #11
                      Re: Recognize Changeup?

                      Originally posted by cardinalbird7
                      Look for it....sit on it
                      You can't look for a change-up.

                      The whole point of the pitch is to throw it in a spot where you are supposed to be looking for a fastball.


                      So unless you are going to concede giving up a fastball I wouldn't recommend looking for a changeup.

                      The only way to truly hit a changeup is to be able to learn to read it and adjust to it.

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                      • jmaj315
                        Pro
                        • Oct 2012
                        • 993

                        #12
                        Re: Recognize Changeup?

                        Originally posted by nomo17k
                        The main strength of changeup is the obscuration, so it is naturally difficult to distinguish the pitch from fastball... otherwise, what's the point?

                        That said, it is extra difficult in the game because we cannot have the 3D perception, so when the pitch is coming directly toward you, the speed difference is not as easily felt. That's one reason why I like using an offset camera, so that the pitch travels a little more on the screen. So I think that's one option. Using an offset camera.

                        I got much better at handling off-speed junks low in the zone in general when I started to learn to lay them off.

                        If a change up is thrown low, then it will drop off the table and becomes a ball, so it's better to just let it go than trying to hit it. The only issue is that if it's a fastball, then it may be a strike. But with a pitch thrown low, you have a split second more to judge whether it's a fastball or change.

                        If I go after a changeup, then I actually look for one thrown around the middle of the plate... since if it is indeed a change up, then it will only catch the bottom part of the strike zone. You have a chance that you might actually miss a fat fastball down the middle, but it's a trade off between that and whiffing/grounding weakly on a low changeup.
                        What camera angle do you use? I think this might help me a bit
                        I wouldnt say i have trouble with changeups, but when the cpu throws a 55 ft curveball i swing at it thinking its a low FB lol
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                        • cardinalbird5
                          MVP
                          • Jul 2006
                          • 2814

                          #13
                          Re: Recognize Changeup?

                          Originally posted by kehlis
                          You can't look for a change-up.

                          The whole point of the pitch is to throw it in a spot where you are supposed to be looking for a fastball.


                          So unless you are going to concede giving up a fastball I wouldn't recommend looking for a changeup.

                          The only way to truly hit a changeup is to be able to learn to read it and adjust to it.
                          Well it works for me. You can't look dead heat in this game either. It is a video game, not real life. So I generally look for offspeed or away fastballs. The problem is when pitchers starting throw you inside heat consistently. It is a game of chess. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You have to adjust to certain scenarios and play the percentages. Looking offspeed or away fastballs is going to give you the best chance to make the best contact.

                          So technically..you aren't "conceding fastballs". If you get your timing and discipline down you can take inside fastballs or foul them off....and still adjust to offspeed/away fastballs. No one said it was easy nor is there an ultimatum approach.

                          I've been using this approach for 5 years now and it hasn't really failed. The only other thing I can recommend (other than the offset camera) is simply practice, practice, and practice. Give a pitcher all changeups and go into practice mode to hit against him.
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                          • Gagnon39
                            Windy City Sports Fan
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 8544

                            #14
                            Re: Recognize Changeup?

                            Originally posted by kehlis
                            You can't look for a change-up.

                            The whole point of the pitch is to throw it in a spot where you are supposed to be looking for a fastball.


                            So unless you are going to concede giving up a fastball I wouldn't recommend looking for a changeup.

                            The only way to truly hit a changeup is to be able to learn to read it and adjust to it.
                            While I agree that it's a bad idea to try and simply look for a change-up, that's not entirely true.

                            When I'm in a pitcher's count, especially 0-2, I'm definitely looking offspeed and just trying to fight off fastballs to stay alive (which again is when I'm most susceptible to the high fastball). In particular I'm looking for low curveballs, sliders that run out of the zone, etc. You have to expect the pitcher to throw something out of the zone in hopes that you chase the ball for strike three. I've been frozen on fastballs down the middle on 0-2 counts, most likely a missed spot by the pitcher, but I wasn't looking for it. But that's baseball.

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                            • NDAlum
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                              • Jun 2010
                              • 11453

                              #15
                              Re: Recognize Changeup?

                              The issue is you can't see the spin. In real life you see the spin if a change up.

                              I went to Catcher 2 view and have had a much better time hitting low change ups.


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