Possible Solution to Flawed Trade Logic

[Godgers12]

MLB The Show still has pretty terrible trade logic, in an otherwise great game. It is not totally hopeless, however. There is one feature I think they could add to fix it. To bring another game into the conversation, NHL 14 has pretty good trade logic, and it is tough as nails to pry a superstar from the grips of an AI controlled team, if anything you have to overpay.

The Show should consider taking a page out of NHL's book. I would love it if The Show introduced a 'Trade Value' meter for each player. It would be based on four factors, age, position, overall and potential. Nevertheless, in order to trade for a player, lets use Giancarlo Stanton as an example. He would probably have close to max trade value. In order to complete the trade the players involved would have to match or exceed his value. Same for CPU to CPU trades. The value in those trades should always match up, or the "Buyer" slightly overpaying. Also, trade value on prospects should never be higher than say quarter or half a bar, so you wont see one prospect traded for a stud like Trout. If The Show were to also add a GM relationship feature as well, that would be a plus.

So, what do you guys think? Would a "Trade value" system work in The Show as it does in NHL? It's not really an accomplishment to complete a trade in The Show, since the AI is way too easy to rip off. Whereas, you get a sense of accomplishment for completing that big blockbuster in NHL.

[tcsox11]

Re: Possible Solution to Flawed Trade Logic

I like the idea, buy I think that in future versions of The Show they should add the ability to "eat" money in trades.

[Gagnon39]

Re: Possible Solution to Flawed Trade Logic

It's also difficulty to score top prospects, at least in my experience on NHL. Last year I tried to trade for Zachary Fucale (goalie prospect from Montreal) but nothing other than including Toews or Kane would get him. And I obviously wasn't willing to do that.

[KBLover]

Re: Possible Solution to Flawed Trade Logic

The Show should consider taking a page out of NHL's book. I would love it if The Show introduced a 'Trade Value' meter for each player. It would be based on four factors, age, position, overall and potential. Nevertheless, in order to trade for a player, lets use Giancarlo Stanton as an example. He would probably have close to max trade value. In order to complete the trade the players involved would have to match or exceed his value. Same for CPU to CPU trades. The value in those trades should always match up, or the "Buyer" slightly overpaying. Also, trade value on prospects should never be higher than say quarter or half a bar, so you wont see one prospect traded for a stud like Trout. If The Show were to also add a GM relationship feature as well, that would be a plus.

If it's done well, I'm all for it.

If even top prospects are only half-bar, and I'm assuming solid major leaguers are also around there - would we see a Baez for one solid major leaguer type deals?

I would think Baez would need more than that. Maybe 2/3 full or such. Guys like Trout should probably just be flagged "untouchable" and if they are dealt, the value would be insane and any player flagged "untouchable" isn't offered on by the CPU (both CPU/CPU trades and with the User).

I do hope it would consider more than OVR, though. I like your GM relationship idea and would like to see GM valuation (i.e. some GMs/organizations value certain types of players, etc), so that individual ratings get into the mix, not just seeing all 70 OVR players as the same because they all have 70 OVR. Each of those guys could have a very different skill profile.

[Bull_Market]

Re: Possible Solution to Flawed Trade Logic

Looks like 30 team control will have to suffice for now.

[Bobhead]

Re: Possible Solution to Flawed Trade Logic

I'd be a bit disappointed if such a system was not already in The Show, behind the scenes. I'd wager that those are the four factors upon which player value is already calculated.

I think to really improve things, a fifth metric would need to be introduced. Like you say, a big part of the problem is that prospects are rated wayyyyyyyyy too highly. Not enough is done to differentiate between Giancarlo Stanton's' 91 overall rating, and some random prospect's high potential rating, when the prospect hasn't even begun developing his ratings to a major league level. Quality hitting also needs to be rated higher, and fielding, less.

[Cre8]

Re: Possible Solution to Flawed Trade Logic

Or the need another team has for the position you (or another team) is willing to give up in the deal.

I hate when an AI controlled team will deal a player at a position they are already then at or agree to bring in another player that they obviously don't need or have a use for.

[Bobhead]

Re: Possible Solution to Flawed Trade Logic

Or the need another team has for the position you (or another team) is willing to give up in the deal.

I hate when an AI controlled team will deal a player at a position they are already then at or agree to bring in another player that they obviously don't need or have a use for.

Yeah that's another thing. I mean you can always use more pitchers but when the Mets trade for a starting CF, or the Tampa Rays trade for a starting 3B, of course I'm going to scratch my head.

[dalger21]

Re: Possible Solution to Flawed Trade Logic

Yeah that's another thing. I mean you can always use more pitchers but when the Mets trade for a starting CF, or the Tampa Rays trade for a starting 3B, of course I'm going to scratch my head.

The Mets have a good starting CF right now?

[jtott]

Re: Possible Solution to Flawed Trade Logic

SCEA won't do it cause it's a 2k thing, but I really like the trading system 2k uses , especially in the basketball game .... especially the "player finder". You click on who you want to trade , whether it's one .. or more players (3 max) and press find , and teams will show the players they are willing to trade.
OR you can click on the team and the player(s) you want , and the other teams will show who they want from you in exchange. It's mostly basebased on budgets for each team . Your not gonna be able to trade for Kershaw , if you gonna give Carlos Martinez and Wong.... The Cards couldn't afford it on their teams budget.

[JoeMimic]

Re: Possible Solution to Flawed Trade Logic

Random question is there anyway to turn CPU trading back on in franchise if you turned it off when you started your franchise?

[reyes the roof]

Re: Possible Solution to Flawed Trade Logic

I think the players contract should play in to his trade rating as well. A 25 year old under team control for 2-3 years should have a higher trade rating than a 30 year old that has $150 million left on his contract, even if the 30 year old is currently a slightly better player.

[JayD]

Re: Possible Solution to Flawed Trade Logic

This all boils down to SCEA implementing some kind of a new trading system for next years game. I know they have tried to tune the current system but it just isn't working. I really hope they dive deep into this feature for next years edition.

[KBLover]

Re: Possible Solution to Flawed Trade Logic

Another idea could be something like the "Importance" rating Madden used to have.

One of the biggest things it did was impact trade valuation and overall interest in trading the player.

Even good young players that have low Importance wouldn't be hugely interesting to the CPU teams. You'd have to pack them together or include an impact player as well.