Someone please explain this to me - I've never seen anything so blatant before (with

[KBLover]

Re: Someone please explain this to me - I've never seen anything so blatant before (w

Those same type of issues do NOT happen to the CPU fielder. Yes, once every 30 games you'll see a CPU outfielder overrun a fly ball, but not because of an animation like this where you're at the location and the animation kicks in late. You'll see the CPU outfielders misjudge the occasional fly ball (again not nearly as much as the user), but never an animation that kicks in late causing something like this.

I see the CPU-controlled fielders screw things up (I use auto fielding).

Whether it's an animation that's late or they are just in the wrong spot - it's not perfect fielding. I don't see any big differences between CPU controlling my fielders or it's fielders. Sometimes there seems like it is, but that's just the individual flow of the games.

[HustlinOwl]

Re: Someone please explain this to me - I've never seen anything so blatant before (w

Seeing as no one else is taking videos of the issues going on in this year's iteration of the game, I'll use this topic to post all of my videos.

Here's one that just happened to me. Hard line drive to left. As you can see, Gardner runs over to the spot and the animation kicks in to catch the ball, until …

https://vimeo.com/105611850

whats the issue here, Im confused? can we please post these one in a thousand plays in the bug/glitches thread

[countryboy]

Re: Someone please explain this to me - I've never seen anything so blatant before (w

The last two videos weren't nearly as bad as the first one. The Gardner fly ball wasn't misplayed, it was an animation that kicks in way too late. That's the game causing a run scoring error, not user error, and that's what bothers me. Those same type of issues do NOT happen to the CPU fielder. Yes, once every 30 games you'll see a CPU outfielder overrun a fly ball, but not because of an animation like this where you're at the location and the animation kicks in late. You'll see the CPU outfielders misjudge the occasional fly ball (again not nearly as much as the user), but never an animation that kicks in late causing something like this.

The animation is kicking in to play as if the outfielder has either lost the ball in lights or misplayed it, whichever you want to call it.

I've seen the cpu outfielder do the same thing quite a few times in all the games I've played. Hell, I won the AA All-Star game because the cpu outfielder had the same animation happen to him, allowing for runners on first and second to come around and score, which was the winning run.

[countryboy]

Re: Someone please explain this to me - I've never seen anything so blatant before (w

Here's another one, this one happened to my friend yesterday.

He's the Angels. Pop up hit to first. Pujols camps under it and … it hits him in the head. Somehow though Pujols has the wherewithal to pick up the ball with plenty of time to get the runner at first. So he walks over to the bag and … stands there without touching the base. Runner safe..

https://vimeo.com/105663775

Is your friend controlling Pujols or the computer? Just curious.

I'm guessing that Pujols while he had the wherewithal to pick up the ball, since he got smacked in the nose his eyes were watering and he was seeing 4 different 1B bags.

[HustlinOwl]

Re: Someone please explain this to me - I've never seen anything so blatant before (w

The animation is kicking in to play as if the outfielder has either lost the ball in lights or misplayed it, whichever you want to call it.

lol I had a play similar to this last night in SBDL online franchise pop-fly to Rasmus camped under raised his glove and bounced off his face, simple error move along and have seen happened to AI/CPU

[Padgoi]

Re: Someone please explain this to me - I've never seen anything so blatant before (w

Is your friend controlling Pujols or the computer? Just curious.

I'm guessing that Pujols while he had the wherewithal to pick up the ball, since he got smacked in the nose his eyes were watering and he was seeing 4 different 1B bags.

Friend is controlling. It can be argued he got there late, but again, the animation is what caused the error. Any normal first basemen would've had his glove UP while running to catch the ball. Secondly, after he picked the ball up and ran to the base (in which he used the button to run to the base, not the control stick so it should've ran to the base automatic), Pujols then proceeds to stop just short of the base. Sorry guys, but these are clear bugs any way you slice it.

[countryboy]

Re: Someone please explain this to me - I've never seen anything so blatant before (w

Friend is controlling. It can be argued he got there late, but again, the animation is what caused the error. Any normal first basemen would've had his glove UP while running to catch the ball. Secondly, after he picked the ball up and ran to the base (in which he used the button to run to the base, not the control stick so it should've ran to the base automatic), Pujols then proceeds to stop just short of the base. Sorry guys, but these are clear bugs any way you slice it.

The animation plays so the error doesn't look completely silly where the ball just hits him in the face, or goes past without any attempt to play it, or what not.

Is it possible your friend moved the analog stick while the animation was playing out of Pujols running to touch the bag? Not saying he did, but it is another possibility to the idea that its just a bug.

And I don't believe that what you're showing are clear cut bugs, I don't. I think they are happening at inopportune times for you and your frustration is leading to calling them bugs.

There are animations that I wish would be taken out or cleaned up, but these you are showing are just normal animations that are playing while an error is occurring. Not sure what the alternative would be??? Not playing an animation at all? Game going into an "error" is going to happen animation so you know if you're the hitter that its coming and get extra bases because of it?

[Padgoi]

Re: Someone please explain this to me - I've never seen anything so blatant before (w

I think the solution would be to clean up the animations.

And you can't deny the first video I posted in this topic was clearly a bug or … something else.

[nomo17k]

Re: Someone please explain this to me - I've never seen anything so blatant before (w

I think all the videos just demonstrate the limitation of (predefined) animation-driven system The Show uses.

After watching these, my thinking goes like:

(1) It is not a bug, but there is some "off-sync" fielding-decision making that leads to a combination of unrealistic movement and result. The batter runner slowed down because it decided it's a safe hit. The second baseman thought he still had a chance, so he made a relatively strong throw to 1B. The first baseman was around the base, but not really in a position to secure an out. But the game decided the first baseman was close enough to the bag and the animation chosen for the batter runner was the one slowed down too much. (I don't know if you put variable umpire on, but if you do have it on, that's another factor.) The game found out these animations chosen, the runner didn't quite reach the bag before the ball was caught by the first baseman. Solution: the animation for the batter runner should've been the one that just runs through the base.

(2) It was a hard-hit line drive to LF, and the fielder wasn't quite well aligned with the ball, so the game computed that it should end up in a misplay. Solution: the gamer should have aligned the fielder better with the ball coming in.

(3) I think the game doesn't have a good animation to pick up the ball at the specific "short" distance it was at, so it substituted with the one that actually goes the mile to get a ball, but it couldn't find a smooth sequence of animations where the fielder exactly pick the ball up with his hand.

(4) It was probably just Pujols's time (purely by chance) to make an error. The game doesn't have a very good variation in animation for many kinds of botched plays.


As Woodweaver repeatedly mentioned, he has a limited set of animations to choose from, and quite often the game doesn't have a good set of animations that can be combined together in sequence to make it look smooth as well as realistic.

One major way this sort of limitation manifests itself is the way how the ball in play quite often "warps" into a fielder's glove. If you look very carefully, on almost every grounder, the ball makes the last bounce and "suck" into fielder's glove, even at the expense of changing the ball's direction. Even on fly ball, if you look carefully, the ball often actually slightly diverges from its physically natural path into fielder's glove. With (3), the ball was already at rest on the ground, so the game couldn't make it "warp" into the glove in that specific animation.

I think all this needs to be done in order to connect limited set of animations and ball smoothly. This sounds like a compromise, but the one that makes sense given preparing virtually infinite number of possible body movements in animation is simply too much for a game like this.

[countryboy]

Re: Someone please explain this to me - I've never seen anything so blatant before (w

I think the solution would be to clean up the animations.

And you can't deny the first video I posted in this topic was clearly a bug or … something else.

No I agree was a bug, or some strange oddity that needs to be looked at.

Like I said, there are animations that need to be cleaned up in this game, (ie: slow rolling grounder where animation locks fielder and prevents from charging the ball, the catcher animations where he has cat like reflexes, and the one in the OF where the fielder runs past the ball and then reaches back and catches it) but I don't think those you are showing, at least the last few, are actual bugs with the game.

[rjackson]

Re: Someone please explain this to me - I've never seen anything so blatant before (w

lol I had a play similar to this last night in SBDL online franchise pop-fly to Rasmus camped under raised his glove and bounced off his face, simple error move along and have seen happened to AI/CPU

Had one hit to the track and the OF missed it when he was turning his body back to the diamond. It hit him in the head and put him on the DL with a fractured skull.

[HustlinOwl]

Re: Someone please explain this to me - I've never seen anything so blatant before (w

Had one hit to the track and the OF missed it when he was turning his body back to the diamond. It hit him in the head and put him on the DL with a fractured skull.

waiting for someone to post the Canseco animation as a bug/glitch or has that already been posted lol

[RedMeansGo2006]

Re: Someone please explain this to me - I've never seen anything so blatant before (w

Easy solution: switch over to the other team, have him start running to second and he gets tagged out right away, you get the out you should have gotten, then switch over to your team, resume the game.

[Bobhead]

Re: Someone please explain this to me - I've never seen anything so blatant before (w

I think all the videos just demonstrate the limitation of (predefined) animation-driven system The Show uses.
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I think all this needs to be done in order to connect limited set of animations and ball smoothly. This sounds like a compromise, but the one that makes sense given preparing virtually infinite number of possible body movements in animation is simply too much for a game like this.

Then wouldn't it make sense to... you know... not use an animation system?

I'm tired of hearing stuff about bla bla our hitting system isnt built to allow us to do that or our baserunning system doesnt allow for this. That's not a valid excuse. There are usually alternatives for different systems, different approaches to recreate something. If an important task is not doable in the current system, then perhaps it's time for a new system.

I know these changes take time... I'm not saying I expect a brand new foundation tomorrow, next year, or even 3 years from now. I understand these guys are pressed for time. But the number of shortcuts taken is starting to get a little high. The number of ways in which the sport has been compromised in favor of convenience, a little too numerous.

Examples? For base stealing, instead of a proper lead/pickoff system, a shortcut was taken so that leads and break speeds are predetermined on every pitch, based on ratings. Instead of setting up realistically variable velocities for pitches, they just slapped this weird and irrational thing on where high pitches have a higher velocity than lower ones, to give the illusion of variance.

I feel like in cases such as these, they changed the sport of baseball to adequately suit the video game, instead of changing the video game to adequately suit the sport of baseball. Shortcuts and "quick fixes" such as these only serve to limit the actual authenticity and dynamic-ness of the game, and this is something I'd like to see get a lot more attention in future years.

[Woodweaver]

Re: Someone please explain this to me - I've never seen anything so blatant before (w

Let me try and paint a picture for you.

Bottom of the 8th.. I'm the Yankees, up 3-2.. Runners on first and second, 2 out. McCann hits a sharp grounder towards second that gobbles up the second basemen and hops past him for an easy RBI single and a 4-2 lead......until this happens.

Anyone who knows me knows I have some issues with this game, but this takes the cake.. You can say what you will about this being a random occurrence or a blip, but weird things happen like this all the time and I wanted to provide video evidence just to see if anyone would chime in on what was actually at play here.. Please let me know because right about now I'm completely disgusted at how blatant this was.

https://vimeo.com/105511043

This one appears to be a bug with the selection of the runner's end transition animation. He should not have selected such a casual "step on base". I'll pass this along.