Quick Counts

[dsmith710]

I finally messed around and tried this. Has anyone else noticed that the pitch counts are completely wrong using this feature. I searched and couldn't find anyone else mentioning this.

Pitcher has a 2-2 count against a guy for example. Already showing 35 pitches thrown. First pitch we see thrown gets put in play. Let's say a ground out. That would put the pitch count at 36. Next guy up comes up with a 1-1 count, pitch count should show 38 right. 36 after the last hitter, 1-1 count to the new hitter. 38 pitches. But it NEVER adds up correctly. In that scenario the next guy comes up with a 1-1 count it would still say 36 or maybe go to 37. It's completely messed up.

Maybe I missed something along the way with this. I have never tried it out before in all the months this game has been out. It just seems ridiculous. Only way I can think to justify it is thinking sometimes guys will hit the first or second pitch and since quick counts have to show 2 pitches already thrown it kinda works itself out.

But realistically if after each hitter the pitchers pitch count is off by 1-3 pitches, that's a huge difference. Say a guy pitches 8 innings, if what I'm saying is an actual issue, that's roughly 24 pitches not shown in the pitch count. That's a good 2 innings where that guy maybe would have been pulled in the 6th and not the 8th.

Sorry this was so long, and sorry for the rant, I just couldn't believe this and couldn't believe I couldn't find anything else on this topic.

[MatrixTN]

Re: Quick Counts

That was by design, they subtracted a pitch after each batter.

[LastActionHero]

Quick Counts

Yeah to compensate for the fact there aren't any 0-0 1-0 or 0-1 counts. Otherwise the pitch count would run up way too high halfway the game.

[dsmith710]

Re: Quick Counts

Thanks for the responses guys. Glad to know there's a method to it.

[BL8001]

Re: Quick Counts

This is good to know. I was about to post the same question after using cobb vs baltimore and I started monitoring him when he got in the 80's. I then started noticing the pitches not adding up.

This is a cool design choice and makes good sense.

My follow-up question would be...are the counts skewed in the cpu's favor or should I consider this bad luck?

Almost all the counts I faced as a batter I had 2 strikes. After seeing it happen at least 2/3 of the time every inning I just figured it was on purpose.

But the real kicker was when cobb went out in the 8th after the first batter. I brought in a reliever, warmed up before and took the warmup pitches too.

Everything was cool and I got a good feel for 2 of his pitches and where they would locate vs where I wanted them.

Then I faced 6 batters all with 3 ball counts against me. The warmup pitch location and in game were nowhere close so I ended up walking 5 batters, then got frustrated and threw one down the middle just to throw a damn strike and of course it's knocked for a stand up double.

Then the 7th came up and up comes the 3 ball count and I turned off the game.

Cobb had 8 innings of 2 hit shutout baseball and then that happens?

I know its baseball but maybe once in all the history of the sport have 7 batters in a row had 3 ball counts if it has ever happened before at all.

I had a similar wtf are these counts in favor of the cpu? Moment last night but it wasnt as egregious as todays game.

[Joey]

Re: Quick Counts

I use QC exclusively and have not had that problem. I say play more games and see if you still have issues with it.

[BL8001]

Re: Quick Counts

Thanks for the reply.

This actually makes me feel better!

I really like playing with quick counts on and didnt want it to be somehow skewed against human controlled relievers.

I am using the osfm current roster and some of these bullpens are hopeless in general. So that coupled with possible qc not in my favor...wasnt looking forward to taking that on.

[Ghost Of The Year]

Re: Quick Counts

I've sure never had that happen to me, & if it's the first time it's happened to you, then I'd consider it bad luck. When you have a large enough sample size & if it hasn't happened again, then you'll know that like "crap", "baseball happens".

[therewillbechud]

Re: Quick Counts

I kinda noticed that happening as well, then again I play with the cubs so their player ratings are probably more prone to starting with 2 strike counts than a lot of other lineups, that does make an impact I'm sure. Ultimately I do like the feature but I can't use it. I can't suspend my own reality enough to believe that nobody ever puts the first pitch in play. Plus I can't manage to get a feel for the game and how the pitcher is trying to get me out. It's just swing and hope for the best.