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  • nemesis04
    RIP Ty My Buddy
    • Feb 2004
    • 13530

    #211
    Re: MLB 15 The Show Livestream - Live Gameplay with Senior A.I. Programmer

    Originally posted by Heroesandvillains
    Why wouldn't the CPU have been affected by having close plays on in 14?
    The description does not say it affects the CPU. If it did have that type logic existing then I would think the challenge system would have been added for the CPU too.
    “The saddest part of life is when someone who gave you your best memories becomes a memory”

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    • MrOldboy
      MVP
      • Feb 2011
      • 2653

      #212
      Re: MLB 15 The Show Livestream - Live Gameplay with Senior A.I. Programmer

      Originally posted by A_Quiet_Pro
      Excellent post. And very logical. Human error needs replay to make sure it's correct. Finite computer rules shouldn't need it.
      In a simulation are we not to expect a simulation of human error?

      Don't we expect fielders to make errors? A computer wouldn't unless it was programmed to do so, but the game is trying to simulate a human being playing baseball. The game is programmed to simulate that human error, the accuracy of that simulation is up for debate of course, but the attempt is clear.

      Similarly, the game is trying to simulate a human being umpiring a baseball game. It's a baby step, but it is in the right direction. Baseball is played and judged by humans. I want the human element to be included into the game including catcher framing, more missed calls on balls/strikes and even extending the strike zone further for some umpires. I'd go as far as to say I'd even want the "broadcast" simulation to be more humanistic (i.e. delays on camera cuts).
      Last edited by MrOldboy; 03-05-2015, 02:23 PM.

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      • Dolenz
        MVP
        • May 2014
        • 2056

        #213
        Re: MLB 15 The Show Livestream - Live Gameplay with Senior A.I. Programmer

        The idea of the computer challenging a call is interesting but if we are honest with ourselves we would realize that it would be a completely non-interactive cut scene that 90% + of the players will simply button mash past once we have seen it a few times.

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        • bronxbombers21325
          MVP
          • Mar 2012
          • 3058

          #214
          Re: MLB 15 The Show Livestream - Live Gameplay with Senior A.I. Programmer

          Originally posted by ajblithe20
          "OS elites attack." LOL, okay...
          Sounds like a 1960s SiFi/horror movie. Anyway. I don't even plan on using challenges, and will turn them off if it lets me. Mainly I just utterly despise the fact that baseball has a challenge system now. But again I'm a baseball purist.

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          • nemesis04
            RIP Ty My Buddy
            • Feb 2004
            • 13530

            #215
            Re: MLB 15 The Show Livestream - Live Gameplay with Senior A.I. Programmer

            Originally posted by bronxbombers21325
            Sounds like a 1960s SiFi/horror movie. Anyway. I don't even plan on using challenges, and will turn them off if it lets me. Mainly I just utterly despise the fact that baseball has a challenge system now. But again I'm a baseball purist.
            If you turn close plays off it will turn off the challenge system.
            “The saddest part of life is when someone who gave you your best memories becomes a memory”

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            • Go Yankees
              Banned
              • Feb 2015
              • 187

              #216
              Re: MLB 15 The Show Livestream - Live Gameplay with Senior A.I. Programmer

              I stand corrected, the challenge system is not "broken" like my past posts have said, having said that, there are serious issues with the challenge system, ok so alot of people on OS have been having a discussion about whether the lighting in the outfield is correct or whether the stripe on a jersey is to thin or thick, i argue fix the fundamentals of the game, fix the challenge system since that is (whether people like it or not) a huuge part of the game now, i will turn this off this year but hope it is fully implemented on the show 16' there is a reason they added a quick option for shifting fielders, because its a huge part of the game now, just my opinion, thanks.

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              • cardinalbird5
                MVP
                • Jul 2006
                • 2814

                #217
                Re: MLB 15 The Show Livestream - Live Gameplay with Senior A.I. Programmer

                Ive faced Livingston in 12. He is actually really good.
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                • NAFBUC
                  ShowTime!
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 1277

                  #218
                  Re: MLB 15 The Show Livestream - Live Gameplay with Senior A.I. Programmer

                  Originally posted by ShowTyme15
                  I agree it looks like they did improve in this area and looking forward to seeing how the sliders play out in 15.
                  Really excited to see the slider tweaking results of PsychoBulk (many years of contributing to the slider discussion), TNKNGM and other OS forum members.

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                  • ajblithe20
                    Pro
                    • Feb 2013
                    • 845

                    #219
                    Re: MLB 15 The Show Livestream - Live Gameplay with Senior A.I. Programmer

                    Originally posted by MrOldboy
                    In a simulation are we not to expect a simulation of human error?

                    Don't we expect fielders to make errors? A computer wouldn't unless it was programmed to do so, but the game is trying to simulate a human being playing baseball. The game is programmed to simulate that human error, the accuracy of that simulation is up for debate of course, but the attempt is clear.

                    Similarly, the game is trying to simulate a human being umpiring a baseball game. It's a baby step, but it is in the right direction. Baseball is played and judged by humans. I want the human element to be included into the game including catcher framing, more missed calls on balls/strikes and even extending the strike zone further for some umpires. I'd go as far as to say I'd even want the "broadcast" simulation to be more humanistic (i.e. delays on camera cuts).
                    I do like the presentation aspect of the challenge system. But it doesn't bother me that the CPU can't challenge calls. Since there's a challenge system in real life, pretty much all calls (except balls and strikes) will end up being correct. IIRC, there's a variable balls and strikes option in The Show, which is realistic and I'll use. But since all other calls are now correct in the real MLB, there's no reason for Umps to blow calls in The Show except for the presentation of a challenge.

                    It's not the same as a fielder committing an error. Fielders commit errors all the time and it affects the game. When an Ump makes an incorrect call, it's now challenged and corrected. The only difference between The Show (if you don't have blown calls on) and the MLB in this situation is that it takes a minute or so in MLB to get the call right, when The Show can do it instantly.

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                    • MrOldboy
                      MVP
                      • Feb 2011
                      • 2653

                      #220
                      Re: MLB 15 The Show Livestream - Live Gameplay with Senior A.I. Programmer

                      Originally posted by ajblithe20
                      I do like the presentation aspect of the challenge system. But it doesn't bother me that the CPU can't challenge calls. Since there's a challenge system in real life, pretty much all calls (except balls and strikes) will end up being correct. IIRC, there's a variable balls and strikes option in The Show, which is realistic and I'll use. But since all other calls are now correct in the real MLB, there's no reason for Umps to blow calls in The Show except for the presentation of a challenge.

                      It's not the same as a fielder committing an error. Fielders commit errors all the time and it affects the game. When an Ump makes an incorrect call, it's now challenged and corrected. The only difference between The Show (if you don't have blown calls on) and the MLB in this situation is that it takes a minute or so in MLB to get the call right, when The Show can do it instantly.
                      It is purely presentational unless you don't pay attention to the replay. That is fine with me. I only want it to be simulated in game, it doesn't have to affect gameplay. Umpires blow calls in real life, I want to see that in game. But I also want to see it get corrected as they do in real life. I also want to see correct plays challenged as they do in real life. But in the end this can all be purely aesthetic.

                      Simulation isn't just gameplay, it is every element in the game, which is why errors fall into the "human" category for me. Along with everything from player personalities to fielder reaction time to a batter's stance. I want the humans in game to be simulated as best they can within the limitations of the game.

                      Anyways, the point is I agree, the challenge system in game is basically presentational, but it doesn't mean it shouldn't be simulated as best it can. Umps should blow calls as the do in real life and then be challenged by both teams and corrected or validated in some way even just visually. Give people the option to turn it off in presentations or have it off when using fast play, but it's a big part of the MLB now.
                      Last edited by MrOldboy; 03-05-2015, 04:13 PM.

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                      • bluclws22
                        Rookie
                        • Mar 2014
                        • 23

                        #221
                        Is the stream at 8 tonight?

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                        • bronxbombers21325
                          MVP
                          • Mar 2012
                          • 3058

                          #222
                          Re: MLB 15 The Show Livestream - Live Gameplay with Senior A.I. Programmer

                          Originally posted by bluclws22
                          Is the stream at 8 tonight?
                          I believe it was moved to next Tuesday.

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                          • Jimmydm90
                            Rookie
                            • Nov 2013
                            • 405

                            #223
                            Re: MLB 15 The Show Livestream - Live Gameplay with Senior A.I. Programmer

                            Originally posted by bronxbombers21325
                            I believe it was moved to next Tuesday.

                            The stadium stream was moved to Tuesday but as far as we know there will still be a stream today.

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                            • Cowboy008
                              MVP
                              • Mar 2012
                              • 4574

                              #224
                              Re: MLB 15 The Show Livestream - Live Gameplay with Senior A.I. Programmer

                              Originally posted by bluclws22
                              Is the stream at 8 tonight?
                              There is a stream at 8pm eastern tonight but it won't be the stadium stream. That one has been moved to Tuesday.

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                              • bronxbombers21325
                                MVP
                                • Mar 2012
                                • 3058

                                #225
                                Re: MLB 15 The Show Livestream - Live Gameplay with Senior A.I. Programmer

                                Has it ever been mentioned if the base running has gotten better. The last couple of years scoring from second has been almost impossible. Runners would slow to a crawl rounding third and get thrown out trying to score from second. I use auto base running and that makes it impossible to score from second. So technically you weren't in scoring position unless you were on third.

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