MLB 15 The Show Player Ratings - Top Rated Players For Each Team

[CubsWillRiseAgain]

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That's the one thing I wish the Show never did! I'd rather have as example( if Rizzo got traded back to Boston from Cubs I'd rather have his real portrait with a Cubs hat on than a generic picture with a Red Sox hat) JMO

Is there a button to like something 1000 times? (:

[Dolenz]

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Look at Rizzo's numbers (youre a cub fan so you know as well as i do how fantastic he was last year).These numbers are monster numbers. He was in the top 10 in MVP voting. Having him at an 84 is absurd, should be at least an 88-90.

http://http://www.fangraphs.com/stat...?playerid=3473

But last year is only counts to 50% of his total.
The year before he batted .233 with more strikeouts and fewer HRs in more games.

Not to mention that the overall rating is more, I assume, than just batting stats.

As I said earlier in the thread, whether or not you like the rating of your favorite player, those players overall rating was chosen using the same formula as the other players at his position. They should be fair for the most part.

It's also interesting to note that most of those who are complaining about ranking are all making arguments that the star players on their favorite teams are too low. We all have bias towards our favorite teams.

[CubsWillRiseAgain]

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But last year is only counts to 50% of his total.
The year before he batted .233 with more strikeouts and fewer HRs in more games.

Not to mention that the overall rating is more, I assume, than just batting stats.

As I said earlier in the thread, whether or not you like the rating of your favorite player, those players overall rating was chosen using the same formula as the other players at his position. They should be fair for the most part.

It's also interesting to note that most of those who are complaining about ranking are all making arguments that the star players on their favorite teams are too low. We all have bias towards our favorite teams.

I think itd be all bias if i just stood back "Ah RIZZOS DA BEST PLAYER" but i linked his fangraphs page, stated how he deserves a better rating.

And if you're worried about his defense, i believe his numbers last year had him a terrfic first baseman..... Its not just offense (:

And about the previous year thing, i dont think it matters much as they have Corey Kluber incredibly high (which he should be, he was freaking awesome lol)

[Ghost Of The Year]

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While I sympathise with the online guys, I'm purely offline so I'm good if scea's ratings are a little off or a lot off. I can fix it & while it's more work for me, they've already done the bulk of the heavy lifting anyways.

[eric7064]

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That's the one thing I wish the Show never did! I'd rather have as example( if Rizzo got traded back to Boston from Cubs I'd rather have his real portrait with a Cubs hat on than a generic picture with a Red Sox hat) JMO

Eww no I hated tha. 3-4 years in a franchise I'd have hats from all different clubs. Hated it. Love the new way they do iT.

[Dolenz]

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I think itd be all bias if i just stood back "Ah RIZZOS DA BEST PLAYER" but i linked his fangraphs page, stated how he deserves a better rating.

And if you're worried about his defense, i believe his numbers last year had him a terrfic first baseman..... Its not just offense (:

And about the previous year thing, i dont think it matters much as they have Corey Kluber incredibly high (which he should be, he was freaking awesome lol)

I'm not worried about his defense. I was just pointing out that we don't know the formulas that the developers use to convert stats to rankings (contact/Power/speed/plate disc/etc) and then we don't know how much those skill rankings contribute to the overall.

All I am saying is that from the information we have the rankings are fair. We could argue about their criteria for ranking players all day long but it would all be speculation because none of know the full criteria.

[WINdians]

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I think I may have talked them into bumping Klubot up to a 90. Thanks @Russell_SCEA

[nomo17k]

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I'm not worried about his defense. I was just pointing out that we don't know the formulas that the developers use to convert stats to rankings (contact/Power/speed/plate disc/etc) and then we don't know how much those skill rankings contribute to the overall.

All I am saying is that from the information we have the rankings are fair. We could argue about their criteria for ranking players all day long but it would all be speculation because none of know the full criteria.

It's actually not very hard to recover the OVR formula themselves. Follow this (1) create a player at a position with all attribute values fixed at a low value, say 25, and record his OVR; (2) pick one attribute value and edit it to some value, like 75 and record his new OVR. (3) Use the following formula

     (new OVR) - (old OVR)
------------------------------------------------  = coefficient used for that attribute in OVR
(new attribute val) - (old attribute val)

This gives you OVR increase per attribute value at the specific position.

You repeat this process for each attribute for each position, and you can recover the coefficients fairly accurately (at least for players who haven't received custom boosts... which might exists if we take what Luis said in the latest SDS stream).


So the OVR calculation itself isn't particularly mysterious or interesting, but it is still important since a lot of CPU logic seems to depend on it... like roster management, lineup logic, etc.

[Dolenz]

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So the OVR calculation itself isn't particularly mysterious or interesting, but it is still important since a lot of CPU logic seems to depend on it... like roster management, lineup logic, etc.

The mysterious part is what stats they feed into the system for the real players and how those stats get interpreted into the more standard ratings like Plate Vision, Plate Discipline, BR Ability, Reaction, etc etc

[nomo17k]

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The mysterious part is what stats they feed into the system for the real players and how those stats get interpreted into the more standard ratings like Plate Vision, Plate Discipline, BR Ability, Reaction, etc etc

Even that part isn't THAT mysterious... we could of course argue about the very details, but SDS does rather sensible things based mostly on traditional stats. There has been a lot of information revealed on how player attribute system works both in the in-game Strategy Guide as well as discussions here on OS, and I don't see a whole a lot of mystery, tough there may be quite a bit of subjectivity in how some players are rated in some attributes.

[Cavicchi]

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Kluber being B potential and rated 90 ovl confuses me, 90 being what an A represents.

Billy Hamilton with his 99 speed and 99 steal ability also confuses me. He stole 56 bases and was caught stealing 23 times last year. I don't know their formula, but Stanton did better than that and got 57 for speed. Stanton stole 13 bases and was caught just once last year.

So Justin Upton is a better overall fielder than Stanton, and even has a better arm. I dunno, seems to me Stanton is underrated with regard to his speed and arm, and quite possibly reaction as well.

[Ghost Of The Year]

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Kluber being B potential and rated 90 ovl confuses me, 90 being what an A represents.

Billy Hamilton with his 99 speed and 99 steal ability also confuses me. He stole 56 bases and was caught stealing 23 times last year. I don't know their formula, but Stanton did better than that and got 57 for speed. Stanton stole 13 bases and was caught just once last year.

So Justin Upton is a better overall fielder than Stanton, and even has a better arm. I dunno, seems to me Stanton is underrated with regard to his speed and arm, and quite possibly reaction as well.

It's important for speed rating & basestealing rating to be completely separate; Hamilton's speed rating should be close to or 99, but his 99 steal rating must be having a lingering effect from his short 2013 season.
It's interesting to note Baseball Cube give Stanton a 37 speed & Hamilton a 100. Fangraphs give Stanton a 67 speed & Hamilton a 90. Marry the two & Stanton would be a 52 & Hamilton a 95. In any event, while Hamilton's speed should be lightyears ahead of Stanton, Stanton should have a better basestealing rating.

[Cavicchi]

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It's important for speed rating & basestealing rating to be completely separate; Hamilton's speed rating should be close to or 99, but his 99 steal rating must be having a lingering effect from his short 2013 season.
It's interesting to note Baseball Cube give Stanton a 37 speed & Hamilton a 100. Fangraphs give Stanton a 67 speed & Hamilton a 90. Marry the two & Stanton would be a 52 & Hamilton a 95. In any event, while Hamilton's speed should be lightyears ahead of Stanton, Stanton should have a better basestealing rating.

So they completely overlooked what Hamilton did last year regarding his ability to steal bases?

Oh, I agree Hamilton is faster than Stanton, but I think Stanton is faster than 57. If you consider Fangraphs underrated Hamilton's speed, then I think you can also consider they underrated Stanton's speed. You can give Hamilton a 99 for speed, and I think Stanton should be around 70 for speed--he's not that effective stealing bases with just 57 speed, in my opinion.

[jaysfan17]

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Tanaka is not overrated. He was dirty last year before his injury. Come on. Be reasonable. If it wasn't for his injury he would have played in the All-star game and been right there with Abreu for ROY. Scherzer has been one of the most consistent pitchers in the game for the past 3 years and eats innings. Not to mention the Cy Young in 2013.

Based on scouting reports Tanaka is projected to be a number 3 starter. He had a good season last year because there was no film on him.


Mark my words, he will regress. Just like Matsuzaka, and Matsui.

[nomo17k]

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Part of the reason why BR Ability seems surprising at times when compared to real-life SB success % is that the success rate itself is not purely a reflection of a player's ability to steal.

If you are known as a great base stealer, the defense will be alert and in turn more often than not he will be attempting steals when the circumstances are rather against him, even though his natural ability to steal still is great.

On the other hand, someone like Stanton is not known as much of a stealer, so he affords to steal when the defense is not ready for it. So that may be a factor for his high success.

As a Met fan I cannot avoid mentioning Kevin McReynolds in this regard... Although he was a terrific athlete overall, by looks he seemed big and kinda slow, but from 1987 - 1988 he wad an amazing run of SB success, going 35 SB while being caught only once. But before and after McReynolds was never really a great stealer.

So BR Ability doesn't necessarily factor in that kind of aspect as well at times. It's often difficult to define whether a SB success is based on natural ability vs. surprise factor for a guy like him.