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  • Stolm
    Pro
    • May 2012
    • 649

    #1

    Let's Talk **Batting Cameras**

    F.R.A.T. WARNING

    First off, has anyone heard mention of any changes to Batting Cameras this year?

    From what I have seen from the Streams, Default still seems like Default Catcher. And I have only seen one other, with Ramone using Catcher Classic. And have heard no talk of any new Cameras being added.

    One of my biggest problems with The Show is the great number of these low, extreme angle camera views, and the great lack of offsets. Especially the lack of Offsets with a more eye level camera height.

    Almost none of the Camera Angles represent a realistic view at a pitch, as if you were actually batting. Because of the extremely low angle, high pitches that you would hope for and your eye should light up on seeing, instead seem impossibly high. Especially if you are using any kind of Zone Hitting at higher difficulties. Aiming up with that view is very unnatural, and just not viable at higher difficulty.

    I'd say the Wide camera angle offers the best and most realistic view offered by the selectable camera angles, though even that is a dead on view with no angle on the ball.

    To combat this I started dabbling in Custom Cameras after release of MLB 13. I've spent hours and hours trying to find a more realistic view, while still retaining the same look, and more importantly the same view and control of the PCI.

    I came up with this about 1 month ago and shared it in the Hitting Tips Thread http://www.operationsports.com/forum...hitting-2.html



    Immediately after using this view I increased the Difficulty to Legendary and have not looked back. I'm having way more fun hitting like this, I feel like I'm seeing the ball as it's meant to be seen, and not being handicapped by my view. It gives you such a better look at the pitch as it's coming in. And because of the angle, Pitch Speed is way easier to gauge. Another result of the offset view, is that pitches away actually feel like they are away from you. It makes it a whole lot easier to time hits the other way.

    Here is the Camera in Motion:
    In all three videos the Camera is never the same, but it's in the same style.

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    I would really love to see these types of Camera Views introduced next year, or even through patches if possible. I wouldn't even be asking for the devs to add more Cameras, but using your own Custom Camera Universally in all modes is not possible as they are prohibited in Online and Diamond Dynasty. In Diamond Dynasty you are even prohibited from using any Camera but Default Catcher. Obviously this is because they believe that certain camera angles offer an advantage and they want everyone on the same playing field. And in my case this is absolutely true, after using a Custom Camera I went from All-Star to Legendary and have no problems hitting. I would say I actually hit better.

    Because of this I will probably never play these modes. Doing so would require me dropping difficulty substantially, therefore throwing off my timing. And I would be stuck with a Camera Angle that imo is absolutely awful and unfun to use.

    I think introducing more Camera Angles in this style, would benefit a lot of people, especially those that find hitting hard to begin with. I truly believe changing your Batting Camera is the single biggest thing you can do to improve your offense in The Show. Obviously not everyone will hit better with this kind of camera, but I really think adding more variety to the cameras would improve the game.

    As someone who puts hundreds of hours into The Show each and every year this is probably my biggest gripe.

    Sorry for the length
    Last edited by Stolm; 03-09-2015, 07:48 PM.
  • tha_show256
    Rookie
    • Mar 2010
    • 390

    #2
    Re: Let's Talk **Batting Cameras**

    Agreed custom cameras should be able to used in every mode of the game...especially online. Where everything is so generic, you get bare bones online and yet it is still most of the time unplayable. I've been playing the show since 2008 and have to have a pleasant online experience with this game. I'm not bashing the game, because I love it, but the team just can't seem to get online right at all.
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    • cardinalbird5
      MVP
      • Jul 2006
      • 2814

      #3
      Re: Let's Talk **Batting Cameras**

      There's like 30 camera angles to choose from. I wouldn't call that barebones..at least not for the camera options.
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      • nemesis04
        RIP Ty My Buddy
        • Feb 2004
        • 13530

        #4
        Re: Let's Talk **Batting Cameras**

        Originally posted by tha_show256
        Agreed custom cameras should be able to used in every mode of the game...especially online. Where everything is so generic, you get bare bones online and yet it is still most of the time unplayable. I've been playing the show since 2008 and have to have a pleasant online experience with this game. I'm not bashing the game, because I love it, but the team just can't seem to get online right at all.
        I doubt you will ever see custom cameras online, the syncing alone would be a nightmare. The standard in game cameras need to be operational first and foremost as far as mixing and matching.
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        • cardinalbird5
          MVP
          • Jul 2006
          • 2814

          #5
          Re: Let's Talk **Batting Cameras**

          BTW that camera angle looks like the one off of Professional baseball spirits. I like the Offset Zoom camera, but the angle is not as wide as yours.
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          • Stolm
            Pro
            • May 2012
            • 649

            #6
            Re: Let's Talk **Batting Cameras**

            Originally posted by cardinalbird7
            BTW that camera angle looks like the one off of Professional baseball spirits. I like the Offset Zoom camera, but the angle is not as wide as yours.
            Ya, they offset in the opposite batters box, facing towards the hitter. I offset more behind the batter, trying to replicate the hitters eye angle.

            But both are more waist level. So you will see the ball angle down into the strike zone instead of seem to fly upwards into it.
            Last edited by Stolm; 03-11-2015, 02:07 PM.

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            • Shakedowncapo
              MVP
              • Aug 2002
              • 4031

              #7
              Re: Let's Talk **Batting Cameras**

              Being a pure analog (RIP) person, I didn't needs to worry about PCI when doing my batting camera. I posted this back in May of last year. Inspired by MLB2K's camera.






              Originally posted by shakedowncapo
              Its my custom cam, loosely based off of MLB2k's. Its really simple too...When you're in the custom camera module, select the catcher preset angle, hold L2 until you see the edge of the catchers box and then just tilt the camera downward with the right analog stick to your preference. Really makes the stadiums come alive too.

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              • Stolm
                Pro
                • May 2012
                • 649

                #8
                Re: Let's Talk **Batting Cameras**

                So I thought I would post a video showcasing some of the problems I have with the Catcher Cams.

                Certain thing happen repeatedly during the Batting Session that I will point out below. You will basically see the same pattern with certain pitches, until I get extremely frustrated and change the camera.

                Basically you will see me:
                (1) Think I crushed a ball, but actually didn't,
                (2) Never come close to hitting anything in the top 3rd of the strikezone
                (3) Have trouble timing a pitch away because of the lack of angle on the ball
                (4) Have major problems hitting and recognizing anything offspeed ( i tend to have this problem a lot anyway, but to a greater extent with the default Cameras. Makes me excited for the new Pitch Breaks!)

                AB ONE: (1) ----------------------RESULT = FLY OUT
                AB TWO: (4) (3)------------------RESULT = POP OUT
                AB THREE: (4)--------------------RESULT = GROUND OUT
                AB FOUR: (4) (1)-----------------RESULT = FLY OUT
                AB FIVE: (3)--------------------- RESULT = FLY OUT
                AB SIX: (2)-----------------------RESULT = SINGLE
                AB SEVEN: (2) (4)---------------RESULT = STRIKE OUT

                About this point I get extremely frustrated and during the next At Bat I customize the camera on the fly.

                AB EIGHT:-------------------RESULT = SINGLE
                AB NINE:------------------------RESULT = HOME RUN

                (ONLY BALL IN TOP 3RD of Strikezone I ACTUALLY HIT)

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                • Blzer
                  Resident film pundit
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 42519

                  #9
                  Re: Let's Talk **Batting Cameras**

                  I use one offset inside like you do. Different look, of course (and I don't own MLB 14 to show you a video of it with that game).

                  Here is a video using MLB 12:

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                  • TonyDanzaFan
                    Banned
                    • Mar 2012
                    • 594

                    #10
                    Re: Let's Talk **Batting Cameras**

                    Originally posted by Shakedowncapo
                    Being a pure analog (RIP) person, I didn't needs to worry about PCI when doing my batting camera. I posted this back in May of last year. Inspired by MLB2K's camera.





                    Stupid question but does the RIP mean they took it out?

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                    • Stolm
                      Pro
                      • May 2012
                      • 649

                      #11
                      Re: Let's Talk **Batting Cameras**

                      Originally posted by TonyDanzaFan
                      Stupid question but does the RIP mean they took it out?
                      They took out Striding, and kinda butchered Analog Hitting.

                      We will see if it's for the better in the coming weeks.

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                      • Herschie
                        Pro
                        • Apr 2012
                        • 741

                        #12
                        Re: Let's Talk **Batting Cameras**

                        So I used this. Man oh man. I had created a Randy Johnson type player with a mean 102 MPH fastball, and a 60 MPH knuckler (I know RJ was no knuckleballer). I decided to try this out against him. I was early on his inside fastball. I only managed to scratch across one run on him, but I was having some good swings and some good at-bats.

                        I did have to zoom in a little though.
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