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  • Falcon999
    Rookie
    • Sep 2011
    • 192

    #46
    Re: Stadium Atmosphere

    Interesting article on how often do teams open their retractable roofs !!

    There is no more joyous day for baseball fans in Toronto than the first home game with Rogers Centre roof open. Once they pop the top, fans don’t want to go back to the hermetically sealed environment designed to protect Canadian ball fans from the elements.The Rogers Centre was the first retractable dome in baseball history when it opened in 1989. Since that time, Chase Field in Arizona, Miller Park in Milwaukee, Safeco Field in Seattle, Minute Maid Park in Houston, and Marlins Park in Miami joined the ranks of convertible stadia. The league created a set of guidelines for retractable roof usage to ensure fairness and competitiveness is consistent across the board. The debate in Toronto is unique to the battles held in other, warmer cities. While sun-starved Canadians wish for fresh air at every opportunity, fans in warmer climes appreciate the comfort of air conditioning.The players on the field must also adjust to the shifting conditions and changes to their playing surface. But make no mistake, the roof is about the fans.While reporters that cover the game express strong dislike for closed roofs and indoor baseball, the fans who are asked to sit for hours exposed to the elements have a different view.Here’s a look at the policies/usage of baseball’s retractable roofs and what it means to the players and fans at these parks.Out from the coldThe opening of the roof is an anticipated event each year in Toronto. While some fans want to pop the top on the first sunny day of the year, it often happens a few weeks into May. This season, Toronto played its first “outdoor” game on Saturday afternoon. The especially cold winter in Toronto meant the roof wasn’t eligible for testing until later in the year. Roof opens at Rogers Centre for the first time in 2014 #BlueJays #Athletics pic.twitter.com/1m8hK2f0vC— Ben Nicholson-Smith (@bnicholsonsmith) May 24, 2014 The roof in Toronto is a hot topic for reasons outside the fan experience. Pitching indoors is known to do wonders for the knuckleball of R.A. Dickey, such that the Jays nominal ace prefers pitching with the roof shut whenever possible.As much as winning games is important, the fans speak loudly and Dickey’s start on Saturday came with the sun pouring onto the green Canadian rug. After pitching well against Oakland with the top popped, Dickey preferred not to discuss the state of the roof.The Rogers Centre does play differently with the roof open versus closed. Jays reliever Steve Delabar that one reason the ball might carry more with the roof closed is, especially when it shuts mid-game, the sun can make it very dry inside the dome, allowing the ball to really fly.Milwaukee operates under a similar principle to Toronto - their outdoor games mainly during the summer months, while the Miller Park roof stays shut early and late in the year. It, too, is known as a bandbox where the ball carries and home run ball fly freely.According to Baseball Reference, the Brewers played just over half their games with weather conditions other than “roof” or “dome” last year. 2005 ranks as the most with 52 “outdoor” games while the next year, 2006, is least with just 30 games with the roof cracked. These measures are a little crude, it should be mentioned.BR’s numbers show a similar split between indoor/outdoor to Milwaukee, with 40 “open air” games last season and a record of 57, set in 1999.Both the Blue Jays and Brewers appear to treat their stadium as an outdoor facility built to avoid rainouts, though these  facilities lack the air conditioning capabilities found in warmer weather parks. Still, better out than in.In from the heatThe newest retractable roof in baseball is also its least frequently used. Not only does the roof open at Marlins Park, it features an “operable wall” and three panels to provide all manner of fresh air into the house that taxpayers built.With two full seasons in to its time hosting Giancarlo Stanton and friends, the roof doesn’t appear to get much in the way of use. Using Baseball Reference’s Play Index, the game condition at Marlins Park was only classed as “open” 15 times in 2013 and eight times in 2012.The weather in Miami necessitated the creation of the Marlins expensive new building. Miami must balance the traditionalist need for an outdoor, open-air game with the comfort levels of their fans. The frequent rain in South Florida is one concern, the intense heat and humidity is another. @MarlinsPark no close it !!! It's hot !— Heathers Daddy (@MiaHeat561) May 23, 2014 The plight of the Marlins is similar to those experienced in Arizona and Houston. The Astros ballpark looks widely different with the roof open, a treat Astros fans are rarely granted.According to the Play Index, only 11 games were played with the roof open each of the last two years. The trend in Houston is decidedly towards leaving the roof shut, as only one season in the last 10 featured more 20 open air games.Earlier this year, the Astros front office promised to try and open the roof more. The rules that govern the lid at Minute Maid Park, as written, make it tough....the roof is closed for the threat of rain, threat of sustained winds above 30 mph, temperatures below 65 degrees for a night game and air temperature or heat-index readings above 88 degrees for a night game or 84 for a day game.Astros general manager Jeffrey Luhnow told me he has a preference for the state of the roof - one he wanted to keep to himself. He expressed the same need to balance the needs and comfort of all fans, not just those who long for an authentic baseball experience. #151090344 / gettyimages.com The players themselves keep their focus on what’s within their control, but they have their preferences. Former Astros starter J.A. Happ started 59 games for Houston in his time with the club, only five of which came with the roof open. “it’s just too hot to play with the roof open” Happ stated frankly. Like most players and fans, roof open is his preference but it can be extra challenging “if you’re standing on the mound with a hot breeze in your face."Arizona doesn’t have the same humid conditions found in Houston and Miami. Just baking desert heat, a factor that keeps their roof closed more than half the time they play at home. Just 25 time last season the Diamondbacks rolled back the roof and walls to give their fans the benefit of fresh air baseball. A great place to watch a game with the roof open. pic.twitter.com/peqG63hwy2— James Wagner (@JamesWagnerWP) May 13, 2014 While the roof remains closed most time for Diamondbacks action from June to September, the team cracked it open for Memorial Day, when the temperature reached triple-digits. The following message played on the hotline fans can call to get up to date information on the roof.Those high temperatures might make for a long day, but this practice was the exception to the rule.Russ Amaral is the Diamondbacks Vice President of Facilities and Event Services and he’s the man who makes the decision to open or shut the roof.He explains that he looks ahead and makes decisions on a series-by-series basis, factoring in not only the temperature but wind and humidity forecasts. The roof and wall panels have set wind tolerances they must consider. Temperatures were high this past week but low humidity allowed Arizona to open the roof for their series against the Padres.Another big factor in Arizona is the projected attendance. The team, with the support of their season ticket holders, want to ‘push the envelope’ and crack the roof as often as possible. If some ticket holders aren’t comfortable with the roof open, the team often moves them to a better shade section of the stadium. With a full house, that isn’t always possible.Amaral adds that the sun typically moves off the field and seats around 6:15 local time, so when the humidity is low (like this week), they open the roof an hour or so into the game. They pre-cool the stadium with their powerful air conditioning systems and crack the roof once the worst of the heat is finished for the day, around 10 minutes before first pitch.The Safeco AnomalySeattle’s beautiful Safeco Field is different than the other retractable roof facilities in baseball. It isn’t actually a roof as it is still open air. It is more like a beach umbrella that redirects rain away from the field. When it rains, the water can still blow into the stadium and bullpens.Closing the roof doesn’t change the way the game is played on the field much, but one former Mariner notes that closing the roof does have one big impact - outfielders tend to lose more balls in the lights with the roof shut. Something about that backdrop make picking up the ball out of the banks of floodlights becomes extra challenging with the roof in place.The Mariners play fewer indoor games than any of their cousins in engineering achievement. The climate in the Pacific Northwest makes it possible for the Mariners fans to enjoy the best of both worlds - dry games and fresh air, comfort and the legitimacy that a sealed stadium simply cannot offer.Data via Baseball ReferenceTeams want to make their passing customers happy and comfortable - this is the original reasoning behind building a roof in the first place. How they go about doing so is a work in progress.




    Originally posted by thaSLAB
    Not really accurate. Milwaukee, Seattle and Toronto don't even have their roof closed more than 50% of the time (if we use geisterhomes' article), so the majority of the time they are OPEN. So that leaves with Houston (my home stadium btw), Miami and Arizona.

    That said, it brings us around full circle... Until you, or some other retractable roof petitioners take Mr. Cutliff's place at SDS, and readjust the MLBTS project plan, you (we) have to accept their design decision on the subject. Or get some past gen hardware and games if you want to play in a closed dome stadium.

    It's not that big of a deal for me to continue to post about it, but feel free... just avoid becoming blue in th face lol.

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    • Spokker
      Pro
      • May 2014
      • 615

      #47
      Re: Stadium Atmosphere

      Originally posted by HozAndMoose
      Let me know when rain has any effect at all
      Your players get wet and you'll have to give them towels in the dugout.

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      • HozAndMoose
        MVP
        • Mar 2013
        • 3614

        #48
        Re: Stadium Atmosphere

        Originally posted by Spokker
        Your players get wet and you'll have to give them towels in the dugout.
        Well thats not in the game so until it is having a closed roof to stop rain from getting in is pointless.

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        • Factzzz
          FA
          • Aug 2011
          • 1655

          #49
          Re: Stadium Atmosphere

          Originally posted by countryboy
          Which of those games had:

          * The lighting/shadowing that the Show has?
          * The ball physics the show has?
          * The year to year saves the show has?
          * The minor league parks the show has?
          * Playable AAA/AA Teams?
          * Road to the Show mode?


          No need to hurry, I'll wait...
          That's why it's a shame that the Show has these advanced things that games in the past did not, but it can't get something that is actually true to real life in their game, when games 10 years ago had it.
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          • eaw913
            Rookie
            • Feb 2011
            • 492

            #50
            Re: Stadium Atmosphere

            Originally posted by Factzzz
            That's why it's a shame that the Show has these advanced things that games in the past did not, but it can't get something that is actually true to real life in their game, when games 10 years ago had it.
            It really is somewhat of a basic feature to add in closed roof versions of each stadium.. however, SSDS never puts a feature in unless it can be perfected.

            I don't think this is something they felt was worth it or wanted to do until this generation of consoles. Last year they focused on rebuilding all the stadiums for the PS4. Now they've worked on the lighting/sun positioning for this year. Both of these things were far more requested and important to get in and perfect, which is why it soaked up their time. I feel like now that these two things have been added they can spend more time adding new editions to each stadium and refining lighting, leaving more time to potentially add closed versions of stadiums.

            I was telling my wife earlier today while playing MLB 14 that if they completely reworked the presentation (as much as it pains me to say it, I can't help but wish for the broadcasting elements from MLB 2k) and added more stadium/weather effects (including closed roofs) I would be fully satisfied. I know a lot of people want stats and stuff to get deeper, but that's a fine line for the casual gamer. They can't make it too complicated or else they will lose a large chunk of fans. This isn't to say there isn't more to improve on, but it sure is dwindling as we progress. Keep in mind, this is just my opinion and these two things are what I would like for the game to be perfect.

            At the end of the day, I'm pumped for the game this year. It looks fantastic, and I think a lot of people will be surprised at how much better this one is gonna be than 14.

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            • Go Yankees
              Banned
              • Feb 2015
              • 187

              #51
              Re: Stadium Atmosphere

              I just cant buy that they only put things in the game if they are perfected, they said that about rain when it was added several years ago, im not sure that the rain is perfect, the radio show they already said is a work in progress, the challenge system is not perfect, but what i will buy is the game because its baseball and i love baseball, to Countryboy, that isnt really that fair of a question and hurts your cause at the same time, older baseball games did not have the technology to do what the ps4 can supposedly do, i payed 400 dollars for "next gen" gaming and im not sure leaving stuff out of a 60 dollar game (that used to be in games from the early 2000's) is a very cool thing, maybe thats just me though. Thanks
              Last edited by Go Yankees; 03-17-2015, 03:02 AM. Reason: Forgot name

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              • Jimmydm90
                Rookie
                • Nov 2013
                • 405

                #52
                Re: Stadium Atmosphere

                I think once SCEA feels they've got about enough minor league stadiums in the game that it's not the main priority for the stadium team, that's when we'll see roofs.

                For those that have said that roofed stadiums are 6 new stadiums they'd have to build its not like they're starting from scratch. Sure they would need time and money to R&D but they've got the majority of the stadium done already. I doubt each roofed stadium would require the number of months it takes to build an MLB stadium from scratch. ROI is probably the other big hurdle for this feature.

                Odds are though, if we constantly keep bringing it up, eventually SCEA will put it in the game in an attempt to satiate the masses and hold on to their sanity haha.

                I'm sure Ramone would be overjoyed if he never had to answer another roofed stadium question again.

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                • GerryH3
                  Rookie
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 235

                  #53
                  Re: Stadium Atmosphere

                  Originally posted by JHedges2
                  THIS THIS THIS!!!!

                  I play as the Yankees and DREAD playing games at 'The Trop'. I would say that I hate the Rogers Centre too--but man they did SUCH a good job of it in '14.
                  I'm a huge Rays fan and travel over from the UK every year to catch a few games at the Trop. I have to admit, much as I love baseball and the Rays, the Trop is a pretty drab stadium. I hate the lack of any natural light inside the stadium. Hopefully they'll have a new stadium closer to Tampa itself in about 5 years or so.
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                  • jcar0725
                    "ADAPT OR DIE"
                    • Aug 2010
                    • 3823

                    #54
                    Re: Stadium Atmosphere

                    I hope they add retractable roofs just so I don't have to HEAR the constant whining about it on these boards. I personally put many "wants" in front the desire for a retractable roof. And I'm not putting down those that want the retractable roof, I putting down those who whine about the staff ignoring them like the makers of this game have a personal vendetta against those who want a retractable roof. You want it that bad, go make your own PS4 baseball game. The game will suck, but you'll have a retractable roof.
                    JUUUUUUUST A BIT OUTSIDE

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                    • bronxbombers21325
                      MVP
                      • Mar 2012
                      • 3060

                      #55
                      Re: Stadium Atmosphere

                      Originally posted by Factzzz
                      That's why it's a shame that the Show has these advanced things that games in the past did not, but it can't get something that is actually true to real life in their game, when games 10 years ago had it.
                      I believe the point that was being made is that things like lighting, and other things may be sacrificed for retractable roof stadiums. It's kind of like which is the more important priority, 6 stadiums with opened or closed roofs, or advanced technology at every other stadium in the league. I'm willing to bet that none of us have ever made a video game, or even know what it takes to do so. So none of us can really speak on whether or not it would be easy to add all of the advanced things, plus retractable roofs. But I'm 100% sure if they could have done it this year, they would have. As I said in a previous post, I would never sacrafice the lighting and other advanced effects for a few stadiums that can open or close their roof.
                      Last edited by bronxbombers21325; 03-17-2015, 08:04 AM.

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                      • Knight165
                        *ll St*r
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 24964

                        #56
                        Re: Stadium Atmosphere

                        Originally posted by Go Yankees
                        I just cant buy that they only put things in the game if they are perfected, they said that about rain when it was added several years ago, im not sure that the rain is perfect, the radio show they already said is a work in progress, the challenge system is not perfect, but what i will buy is the game because its baseball and i love baseball, to Countryboy, that isnt really that fair of a question and hurts your cause at the same time, older baseball games did not have the technology to do what the ps4 can supposedly do, i payed 400 dollars for "next gen" gaming and im not sure leaving stuff out of a 60 dollar game (that used to be in games from the early 2000's) is a very cool thing, maybe thats just me though. Thanks

                        Perfect is something that gets thrown around here on O.S.

                        SCEA won't put anything in until they are happy with it and find it necessary(ie....double headers.....IDT we'll ever see them as the devs don't feel that doubleheaders are prevalent enough and the impact on the game not enough to invest the dev time right now)

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                        • zello144
                          MVP
                          • Jul 2013
                          • 2183

                          #57
                          Re: Stadium Atmosphere

                          They could give us some team specific chants like the Yankees Roll call
                          <iframe src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/BTMg5m-J3fs" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="315" width="560"></iframe>

                          2k7 had it but The show could do it much better
                          <iframe src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Dl_4Y7xCHlM" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="315" width="560"></iframe>

                          Makes the stadiums come alive more

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                          • Factzzz
                            FA
                            • Aug 2011
                            • 1655

                            #58
                            Re: Stadium Atmosphere

                            If i'm not mistaken, that's been in the game for a few years now.
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                            • countryboy
                              Growing pains
                              • Sep 2003
                              • 52862

                              #59
                              Re: Stadium Atmosphere

                              Originally posted by Factzzz
                              That's why it's a shame that the Show has these advanced things that games in the past did not, but it can't get something that is actually true to real life in their game, when games 10 years ago had it.
                              I was going to respond but this "issue" has been discussed ad nauseam.

                              So I will respectfully bow out of the discussion and let others continue to participate.
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                              • Ghost Of The Year
                                T Bone
                                • Mar 2014
                                • 6428

                                #60
                                Re: Stadium Atmosphere

                                Originally posted by Factzzz
                                That's why it's a shame that the Show has these advanced things that games in the past did not, but it can't get something that is actually true to real life in their game, when games 10 years ago had it.
                                But there's so much more in the Show that wasn't in 10 years ago, SDS is still ahead of the curve.
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