Re: Implementing a Better Spring Training in MLB: The Show

[@legendm0de]

Re: Implementing a Better Spring Training in MLB: The Show

As I suspected...he blowing smoke and blustering.
His "rule of the day" is BS......*never happened and that is NOT what Ramone said*
...and they did not REMOVE the CPU AI logic for swapping out players more in ST.....I can nearly guarantee that they just didn't "turn on" that logic in the ST and All-Star games and it got through testing. It was an oversight that he's trying to turn into a mountain(for other reasons my guess)

His point about the CPU(the game for that matter) not giving you access to your full organization is his only point that he's really right about but we've discussed that already so it's not earth shattering news.
As far as the CPU using mainly the 25 man roster....
1-You don't have to do that
2- Yes....we've covered that as something we'd like to see...but again...the CPU is going to choose it's top 25 players with set position parameters.....until they implement something that takes those last couple of spots and add in something that makes the CPU choose one or the other....it is kind of pointless right now.(something that YOU can still do as your team GM)

"dreadful" and "inexcusable"...c'mon that's a bit much.

-and not that it matters here....but I play all the games he mentioned....and I don't see what is better about those pre-season games. The decision making on those games is basically the same...pick the top players.

I have to ask.....how the heck does a young man who is 21 y.o. get so miserable over a video game?
Yikes.

M.K.
Knight165

I know I can manage my own team however I want during Spring Training, but in the 9th inning of a 7-2 ballgame I'm losing, I decide to put my A ball pitcher on the mound only to still be forced to face Andrew Mccutcheon and the rest of a Pirates lineup. That just shows how much the AI of opposing management stands in the way of playing this mode. Unless you know of a way to solve that problem, that I'm just not aware of.

IMO, the only thing being blown out of proportion here is the quoting and context of what I've said. I'm not blowing smoke and raging,

Well I'm certainly not just making this up, I'm only echoing what I've seen written and posted on this forum alone by game officials.

I do find ST dreadful certainly on the only PS4 version of the game out right now, MLB 14, where they have inexcusably neglected the mode for whatever reason. I'm sure they did have a legitimate reason, and it's no surprise they have fixed in for 2015. It would only be a surprise if they had not. However, this just does highlight the overall neglect for ST that has reached nearly 10 years now with no one held responsible for it.

Preseason in other games, don't have nearly the same problem I see with Spring Training here because they all are built to basically evaluate alternative players and strategies with every team. The philosophy here has been well documented that they only view this mode as a way for players to get some practice games in so they can learn controls get in a groove and start playing real games. I'm tired of that approach, but there is no sign they are willing to change it. Based on the pattern I've observed, Spring Training is one of the last things at the bottom of their list to really pay attention to.

[@legendm0de]

Re: Implementing a Better Spring Training in MLB: The Show

So is the CPU substitution AI showing the "philosophy" of removing things that have been in the game?

You can be surprised that people are asking, but you still aren't mentioning what exactly has been removed. I can't remember anything of great significance that has been removed after being in the game, and I've been playing the game consistently since '10.

So please, enlighten those of us who do not know what you are referring to.

to make this short, I'll just answer you with a no and a facepalm.

give me more credit than to be this shallow, that I'd link one spring training oversight from 2014' with such a claim.

I hope I don't have to legitimize anymore suggestions like this with another response.

[redsox4evur]

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I know I can manage my own team however I want during Spring Training, but in the 9th inning of a 7-2 ballgame I'm losing, I decide to put my A ball pitcher on the mound only to still be forced to face Andrew Mccutcheon and the rest of a Pirates lineup. That just shows how much the AI of opposing management stands in the way of playing this mode. Unless you know of a way to solve that problem, that I'm just not aware of.

I'm aware of a way to solve that problem. Just wait for MLB 15 to come out. It has been addressed and fixed. As I posted last night Woodweaver, a dev for MLB, said that he is aware this issue has been corrected. So just drop this point, it's been addressed for the upcoming game.

[Jr.]

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to make this short, I'll just answer you with a no and a facepalm.

give me more credit than to be this shallow, that I'd link one spring training oversight from 2014' with such a claim.

I hope I don't have to legitimize anymore suggestions like this with another response.

This is about what I figured. I keep asking for examples that show a "philosophy" of removing features that people apparently don't utilize, and you refuse to give them.

I'm only referring to what you've listed. But I know to ignore your posts now because you seem to have some kind of agenda against the game, rather than providing legitimate examples of what you're referring to.

Have a good one

[redsox4evur]

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This is about what I figured. I keep asking for examples that show a "philosophy" of removing features that people apparently don't utilize, and you refuse to give them.

I'm only referring to what you've listed. But I know to ignore your posts now because you seem to have some kind of agenda against the game, rather than providing legitimate examples of what you're referring to.

Have a good one

The only one I can think of is analog hitting from last year, but that wasn't even removed completely but changed.

[@legendm0de]

Re: Implementing a Better Spring Training in MLB: The Show

This is about what I figured. I keep asking for examples that show a "philosophy" of removing features that people apparently don't utilize, and you refuse to give them.

I'm only referring to what you've listed. But I know to ignore your posts now because you seem to have some kind of agenda against the game, rather than providing legitimate examples of what you're referring to.

Have a good one

Well Jr. instead of emboldening 2 sentences of my two paragraphs post, why don't you try emboldening the entire two paragraphs and maybe it's possible you missed something.

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wow.. Agenda against the game ?


For all the blasphemy I'm accused of hurling, this is the most (probably only) blasphemous thing posted in the entire discussion. My only "agenda toward this game" is for it to become COMPLETE and avoid going backwards.

[VinceJulien14]

Re: Implementing a Better Spring Training in MLB: The Show

NHL doesn't even have a preseason anymore lol


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[@legendm0de]

Re: Implementing a Better Spring Training in MLB: The Show

I'm aware of a way to solve that problem. Just wait for MLB 15 to come out. It has been addressed and fixed. As I posted last night Woodweaver, a dev for MLB, said that he is aware this issue has been corrected. So just drop this point, it's been addressed for the upcoming game.

I'm aware, they've restored ST substitutions in later innings. Again, as I posted earlier, it would only be a surprise if they did not. I still find it inexcusable that they allowed MLB 14 to come out with that issue in place especially after making us wait until May to play it.

Even with that, it doesn't fix the lacking effort put into Spring Training in the first place if all they did was restore the same system we've had in place since 2006.

Again I just say, the ST is one of those things they are not interested in. And it shows with 1) the lack of improvements made to the mode in nearly a decade) and 2) allowing 2014 to completely sack the mode by not working out something to avoid it's issues.

It speaks to their overall pattern/philosophy (however you want to describe it) that if they feel some element of the game is not big ticket enough they will neglect it or remove it.

They have removed facets of the game away since 2012 and they are only continuing. They've even admitted to doing so, but I'm the one being asked to prove what has been removed from the game. That's an entirely different thread worth of material to express.

[LastActionHero]

Implementing a Better Spring Training in MLB: The Show

This is the most unconclusive discussion ever. I feel like I'm waking up to the same question and reply over and over...

[bronxbombers21325]

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do you play spring training, anyone who does has a reason to be miserable at times. but more to my point, this franchise has been making a series of "neglectful" decisions over the last couple of years. My criticism is warranted, not sour grapes, even though I know its daring to critique this franchise because it's easy to get blinded with what things they do provide.

I'm 31 years old, will be 32 in three months. I started playing video games when I was 5. I can honesly say that I have never played a game that was important enough to me to make me miserable. If life was simple enough for a video game to make us miserable, then we would all have pretty easy lives. Video games are supposed to help us escape reality, and have a little fun for a few hours at a time. Here is a little tip from someone older than you. You are 21 years old and in the prime of your life, enjoy yourself, and don't let something as simple as a video game make you miserable. Trust me, you'll look back one day and regret that.

[MetsFan16]

Re: Implementing a Better Spring Training in MLB: The Show

I usually sim the entire Spring but I set my lineups before the spring starts and I take all of my Major League guys who i know will be on the big team and sit them on the bench. Then I put all of the prospects and young minor leaguers who are on the 40 man and put them all in the lineup. Same with the rotation, my 5 guys are set to the extra relievers so they do not pitch and all of the prospects are set to pitch each game. At the end of the spring, I look through the lineups to see all of my prospects stats and see who got hot and who struggled. This helps decide who gets the opening day call up and who starts at which level.

[countryboy]

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do you play spring training, anyone who does has a reason to be miserable at times. but more to my point, this franchise has been making a series of "neglectful" decisions over the last couple of years. My criticism is warranted, not sour grapes, even though I know its daring to critique this franchise because it's easy to get blinded with what things they do provide.

Yes I do play Spring Training and no I do not ever feel miserable while playing it. While your criticism is certainly warranted as it is your opinion, to make snarky remarks about them removing something instead of fixing it is simply baiting people to get into a back and forth with you, which I'll respectfully decline to do.

[sha_ba22]

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Madden of the mid 2000's on PS2 is the only game where I've ever felt satisfied by the preseason/training camp modes. Training Camp in these games was awesome! Skill drills like rushing attack, catch ball, pocket presence, swat ball, chase and tackle, etc. were the best part of the franchise mode, especially if you're a game simmer like my friends and I.

In addition to the relaxed commentary and other aesthetic changes suggested earlier, I think putting in fun and interesting Spring Training "mini-games" if you will, would spruce this up.

- Want to improve baserunning? Play a game of hotbox/pickle/whatever you'd like to call it on the back fields.
- Want to improve arm accuracy from the outfield? Do the bucket drill (we did it in little league, hit a bucket on home plate, and get rewarded with a $1).
- Improve contact? Play some pepper

The list goes on and on. They don't all have to use the normal game controls, in fact it might be more fun if they differed a little bit for things like a soft toss HR derby or pepper, or a relay throw drill (arm strength?).

Like in Madden, you'd be limited to one drill per player, and one player per drill. So if you used Bryce Harper in a game of pickle, you can't play pickle with anyone else, and you can't use Harper in any other drill.

Combine that with revamped Spring Training game presentation, more stadiums, fixed substitution, and perhaps the variable attributes that hone in the more you play, and you've got an awesome mode that I'll play every time. Mini games sound WAY more fun than assigning training points, and spring is the perfect time to do that.

[sydrogerdavid]

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In addition to the relaxed commentary and other aesthetic changes suggested earlier, I think putting in fun and interesting Spring Training "mini-games" if you will, would spruce this up.

- Want to improve baserunning? Play a game of hotbox/pickle/whatever you'd like to call it on the back fields.
- Want to improve arm accuracy from the outfield? Do the bucket drill (we did it in little league, hit a bucket on home plate, and get rewarded with a $1).
- Improve contact? Play some pepper

FIFA has a bunch of mini games that help you learn the controls and how to play the game before a match begins. Those are fun and are along the same like as the Madden Mini-Camp.

It could be fun to have 10 or so mini games to play as soon as pitchers and catchers report before the Spring Training games begin.

[Ghost Of The Year]

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My only "agenda toward this game" is for it to become COMPLETE and avoid going backwards.

I love this game, but as many things as I want added, I fear it will never be complete