Illustrating accurate sun position in MLB 15: The Show

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  • Spokker
    Pro
    • May 2014
    • 615

    #1

    Illustrating accurate sun position in MLB 15: The Show

    Corrections are welcome!

    Past versions of MLB The Show recognize that the Earth makes one rotation about its axis every 24 hours. When you play a night game, it usually starts in the late afternoon or early evening and as the Earth rotates the sun will set and night will descend upon the ballpark.

    MLB 15 not only recognizes that the Earth rotates about its axis, but also orbits the sun while tilted on its axis about 23 degrees.



    Why does this matter? Using the graphics and lightning trailer, we can illustrate the position of the sun in the sky for one of the ballparks shown.

    Here's Oakland.

    The trailer says this is April at 4PM. They do not specify the date.



    Here's the position of the sun on April 15th, 2015 at 4PM over Oakland Coliseum.



    Now here's May:



    Notice how as we move toward the summer solstice, the position of the sun is higher in the sky. This results in shorter shadows.



    June:



    The summer solstice is Sunday, June 21st, 2015. The sun is at its highest point in the sky, and you cannot see the shadow of the bank of lights anymore from this angle.



    July:



    As we move into July, you're not going to see huge differences in shadows, but the days are getting shorter and the shadows are going to be getting longer.



    August:



    Now you're starting to see the return of the shadow of the overhead lights. By September that shadow will cross the foul line. The same is true of the players but that's more subtle. Compare the catcher in September's image to June's.



    September:





    And if your team makes the postseason, here's October.



    Now you can see the shadow from the part of the stadium directly behind home plate.



    Going to see baseball games, this element is not something we consciously think of in our minds, but it's something that contributes to the atmosphere of baseball. The longer shadows of September signify the end of the regular season. Going to the ballpark in September or even October if you've got postseason tickets has a different feeling than going in June, and this feature is part of what makes The Show authentic.

    It's also neat from an astronomy perspective. I've heard people dismiss this feature as superfluous, but doing this analysis made me appreciate it more.

    There's one uncertainty. Is it daily or monthly? In other words, will September 1st's game have a higher sun position than September 30th, or does the change kick in on October 1st?
    Last edited by Spokker; 03-27-2015, 10:02 PM.
  • A_Quiet_Pro
    Banned
    • Feb 2013
    • 2572

    #2
    Re: Illustrating accurate sun position in MLB 15: The Show

    Excellent analysis. Thanks.

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    • eaw913
      Rookie
      • Feb 2011
      • 492

      #3
      Re: Illustrating accurate sun position in MLB 15: The Show

      When choosing your time of year, it is not by day. You can choose the month and time. That's not to say it won't slowly change throughout a month and be daily during franchise or something. But when choosing it for exhibition mode, etc. you can only choose month and time of day.

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      • Spokker
        Pro
        • May 2014
        • 615

        #4
        Re: Illustrating accurate sun position in MLB 15: The Show

        Originally posted by eaw913
        When choosing your time of year, it is not by day. You can choose the month and time. That's not to say it won't slowly change throughout a month and be daily during franchise or something. But when choosing it for exhibition mode, etc. you can only choose month and time of day.
        Maybe we should ask one of the lucky people who have it early to stop their gameplay and do some astronomy tests, haha.

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        • MythicalGnome
          Banned
          • Mar 2015
          • 271

          #5
          Re: Illustrating accurate sun position in MLB 15: The Show

          Superfluous lol? Who in their right mind would think this is a superfluous feature. As far as I am concerned it's very very important to get details like this right in baseball. MLB 15 looks a lot better than past years in the lighting all around.

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          • bronxbombers21325
            MVP
            • Mar 2012
            • 3058

            #6
            Re: Illustrating accurate sun position in MLB 15: The Show

            Never seen it broken down quite like that before, I like it. Great post.

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            • bellz666
              Don Mattingly is God
              • Feb 2005
              • 1090

              #7
              Re: Illustrating accurate sun position in MLB 15: The Show

              Amazing post, it's details like this that honor the game in such subtle ways.
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              • My993C2
                MVP
                • Sep 2012
                • 1588

                #8
                Re: Illustrating accurate sun position in MLB 15: The Show

                I am curious if latitude and longitude matter in this game regarding the sun for cities in the same time zone. A game in September that starts in Seattle should get darker sooner than a game in San Diego that starts at the same time. Likewise a game that starts in Arizona should get darker a little sooner than a game in Denver. I would imagine it would be harder to notice the latitude than notice the longitude differences, but if the game does factor in these coordinates there should be a difference at the beginning and end of the Franchise/Season schedules of how the sun is seen.

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                • BuckeyeBoyd
                  Rookie
                  • Jul 2003
                  • 122

                  #9
                  Re: Illustrating accurate sun position in MLB 15: The Show

                  Yeah, but are the vendors hats correct?
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                  • Herschie
                    Pro
                    • Apr 2012
                    • 741

                    #10
                    Re: Illustrating accurate sun position in MLB 15: The Show

                    Originally posted by BuckeyeBoyd
                    Yeah, but are the vendors hats correct?
                    That's coming in 16, I believe. You know, when you painstakingly worry about stuff like this, your game better have everything else squared away. Which, of course, The Show does. So yeah. Bout all that's left is the details.
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                    • Spokker
                      Pro
                      • May 2014
                      • 615

                      #11
                      Re: Illustrating accurate sun position in MLB 15: The Show

                      Originally posted by MythicalGnome
                      Superfluous lol? Who in their right mind would think this is a superfluous feature.
                      I've seen the comment on other forums and blogs that this is a stupid feature and that they should focus on online instead. Stuff like that.

                      Also, my wife playfully joked that this was so lame haha.

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                      • ElroyJetson
                        MVP
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 1860

                        #12
                        Re: Illustrating accurate sun position in MLB 15: The Show

                        This is a really well written post. I grant the OP 1 million internet dollars.
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