CPU Trade Logic

[johntait1]

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Nothing is wrong with 30 team control i actualy dont mind it now that i have figured out how to set it up over the last few year, only because it does give me some more controll over CPU line ups as far as rookies starting over sitting on the bench when they are close in skill to the old veteran starting.

My point was more so on the trade logic as most of the trade complaints i see involve players with a high overall, and if there was a way to limit there movement through some trade restrictions but also alow CPU teams to trade these players outside of these restrictions with a users permission who didnt have 30 team controll set up.

I guess that makes sense, since some people may not understand that with 30 team control you can still control your own team normally. Plus this would be really useful for Road to the Show.

[PhilliesFan13]

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I've tried so hard in the past to just leave trades on and let things play out. However some of the logic is so off the wall I just can't stand it. I remember one year Adam Dunn got traded 4 times in one season. One time he got traded back to his same team and then traded again. Sometimes I've seen players traded multiple times over the course of a few days in franchise. That's when I quit and said trades off from now on.

I can deal with some wonky logic and the usual excuse by OSers of "look at the overalls, not the names!" but when 95 Overall is getting dealt more than Aces at a blackjack table it really takes away from the game.

I saw Alexei Ramirez get traded 4 different times in about a span of a week in MLB 14.

[extremeskins04]

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Was just doing a sim franchise before the OSFM got released and the first offseason the Marlins traded Stanton to the D'backs for Paul Goldschmidt. Also noticed in the first offseason Justin Upton signed back with the Braves only to be traded two months in to the Red Sox for Pedroia straight up.

Yup I love blockbuster trades.

[bpalmer0106]

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Hmm, I heard star for star trades was also a problem in NBA 2K or something. I guess its a bit better than before where it was like 1 RP for 2 or 3 A prospects. I thought the main thing they tried to fix was the lopsided trade logic and how users could easily exploit it. While the trades certainly may not be realistic, it seems a bit better than totally lopsided ones. Plus, I feel like it would be hard to allow users to trade for other stars(I think some users would want to do so) if they take out star for star trades. Also, couldn't you just fix it with 30 team control?
I know that SCEA should be working on it and we shouldn't have to rely on stuff like 30 team control, but they do have a limited amount of time so if they spent a ton of time on this they might not be able to add other features. I'd guess it would be pretty hard to fix something like this if even NBA 2K(one of the most polished sports video games) has this issue.

I disagree. I don't want new features if the core mechanics of the game such. The trade logic is so horrible it ruins RTTS. I mean it was bad but manageable before but it is just unplayable now. Two weeks into season 1 and I don't want to play it anymore already. They traded a 1b for 2b when the 2b already on the team was better than the one traded for. Also it meant the 1b position dropped by 6 points with the backup starting. Then a few days later traded the best pitcher for a young SS when there were already 2 B level SS on the major league team rated 80 and 78. The trade logic is far far worse this year. Even a drunken monkey wouldn't make these moves.I am a religous The Show buyer but this is the end of the road for me unless they patch this. Sad since I have been buying since 2007.

[bpalmer0106]

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I think you are nuts or haven't played long enough. I haven't seen a single move that wasn't absurd so far in trades

[countryboy]

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If people would get passed the names and dig a bit deeper into the trades, they may find out that they aren't that bad afterall.

Just my opinion of course.

[HolyStroke3]

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In my franchise KC traded Greg Holland for Chris Archer. THE VERY NEXT DAY they traded Salvador Perez to Tampa Bay and got Holland back. Also saw Russell Martin for Brett Anderson, Aroldis Chapman to the Phillies for a prospect, Pedro Alvarez to Minnesota for a prospect and a few other questionable trades.

I'm waiting for OSFM v2 and the patch to start my real franchise, which I'll probably do 30 team control for the first time

[jada855]

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I disagree. I don't want new features if the core mechanics of the game such. The trade logic is so horrible it ruins RTTS. I mean it was bad but manageable before but it is just unplayable now. Two weeks into season 1 and I don't want to play it anymore already. They traded a 1b for 2b when the 2b already on the team was better than the one traded for. Also it meant the 1b position dropped by 6 points with the backup starting. Then a few days later traded the best pitcher for a young SS when there were already 2 B level SS on the major league team rated 80 and 78. The trade logic is far far worse this year. Even a drunken monkey wouldn't make these moves.I am a religous The Show buyer but this is the end of the road for me unless they patch this. Sad since I have been buying since 2007.

I do agree it ruins the RTTS experience! So here is what I do for a work around! I save a save month to month for example I rename my RTTS character "May" then continue to play and save a different game until the stupid trade dialogue box pops up! I then reload the last saved month to attempt to bypass the trade!
It's definitely a process but works sometime. I started to record the entire process and post a video to Sony and Ramone Rusell to see how terrible the experience is. Especially when your top pitcher (Clayton Kershaw) is traded for no reason.
I figured posting the video wouldn't get me anywhere quite sure they are aware and could patch a toggle option! But they won't and like I said look for Ramone to announce it as a new feature on a Twitch stream in 2016, you know it's bad when you release a new game but start a thread titled "What do you want to see in MLB 16" I just paid $59.99 for this and that's not easy money for me! Appreciate the graphics and visual details but damn some of the bugs made me go back to playing Dragon Age!

[CujoMatty]

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If people would get passed the names and dig a bit deeper into the trades, they may find out that they aren't that bad afterall.

Just my opinion of course.

Agreed but the names matter is the biggest problem as well as other intangibles that the game doesn't recognize. That's why for me 30 team control is a must from now on. First year I've done it and I couldnt go back. I'm 11 games in and already vetoed 2 trades that just didn't make sense to me. They might make sense to someone else but it's my franchise and that's what makes 30 team control such a beautiful thing.

An example would be the one in an earlier post where toronto trades martin. someone replied that T.O. has 2 starting caliber catchers which is very true. But the things that the show doesn't recognize nor could it is that martin is too valuable in regards to working with torontos young pitching staff and also the fact he's canadian matters. I don't see them trading him. I don't really think anyone's untouchable but he's close.

I think in regards to the AI trading him it makes sense but not in reality. That's why 30 team control is a must. And realistically it just makes sense to do it unless you really don't care about weird trades. The greatest thing is the flexibility. You can turn everything to auto if you don't want to be involved and it's really not much different than single team control. Or you can control every little detail of every team. Love it.

[Keirik]

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How about the mets trading harvey and wheeler in the same year

[N51_rob]

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I do agree it ruins the RTTS experience! So here is what I do for a work around! I save a save month to month for example I rename my RTTS character "May" then continue to play and save a different game until the stupid trade dialogue box pops up! I then reload the last saved month to attempt to bypass the trade!
It's definitely a process but works sometime. I started to record the entire process and post a video to Sony and Ramone Rusell to see how terrible the experience is. Especially when your top pitcher (Clayton Kershaw) is traded for no reason.
I figured posting the video wouldn't get me anywhere quite sure they are aware and could patch a toggle option! But they won't and like I said look for Ramone to announce it as a new feature on a Twitch stream in 2016, you know it's bad when you release a new game but start a thread titled "What do you want to see in MLB 16" I just paid $59.99 for this and that's not easy money for me! Appreciate the graphics and visual details but damn some of the bugs made me go back to playing Dragon Age!

That's enough. You clearly have an agenda and continue to post in a manner which won't be tolerated here. Consider this your only warning.

[PhilliesFan13]

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Was just offered a trade from the Nationals. They asked for Carlos Ruiz for Ryan Zimmerman. Makes absolutely zero sense considering the Nationals have Wilson Ramos.

[Gosens6]

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Here's the problem.

The OS community relies too much on "big name players" and uses that to base off whether "a team would realistically make that trade or not".

MLB The Show doesn't look at it like that.

They look at:

1. Their needs.
2. Rebuild mode, normal mode, or playoff push.
3. Age of the player.
4. Potential
5. Overall

End of story.

They don't say "OMG we can't trade Paul Goldschmidt away for Chris Sale because that would never happen in RL!"

They say "hmm our pitching sucks and we need an Ace. We're going to need to give up someone great to get an Ace pitcher and this is what we're going to have to give up."

I'm using the Goldschmidt / Sale trade just as an example, but you understand what I mean.

The trade logic isn't perfect by any means, but it's pretty good.

I'm sorry, but it's not pretty good. The trade logic in this game is absolutely awful. The only way I look past it is to realize it's just a video game. If I actually cared, some of the trades in this game would drive me crazy.

NBA 2k15 didn't have this problem inside their franchise mode. In fact, they have a slider dedicated to how often "blockbuster" trades happen.

MLB desperately needs something like this. How often do 1 for 1 star player trades really happen in MLB? There's always prospects or cash involved. I love this series just as much as the next guy, but the franchise mode is still pretty bad and has a long, long way to go. We still can't offer in season contract extensions. There's so much that needs to be done to make this an authentic baseball franchise experience. Maybe ootp has spoiled me, but I really see how bad MLB the shows franchise mode is so so far behind

[bghcf]

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I have seen teams trade away players they just signed in the off season but other than a few "eh" trades, I would say it's ten times better than it has been.

[Jeffrey Smith]

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The trades that really bother me are the ones where a first place team trade away their ace or best hitter for prospects when they clearly should be loading up for the post season.

Most in season trades involve spare parts/waiver wire foder.