Does anyone else feel that throws to bases from the outfield are way too inaccurate?

[BrianU]

I am running CPU v CPU tests to see what the averages look like using Nomo's excel sheet from last year, and just observing the games play out a few things stand out to the naked eye.

It seems to me that almost every throw from the outfield to 2nd or 3rd results in the 2nd or 3rd baseman being pulled far off the bag. There isn't even a chance to make a tag 80% of the time. This is not something you can measure and compare to real life that easily, like strike percentage or doubles but it just looks really wrong. I've watched about 5 games and it doesn't seem to matter who is throwing the ball they all seem wildly inaccurate.

I am not talking about deep throws by the warning track but those from shallow depth or medium depth of the outfield to a base. Most often left field to 3rd. But even CF or RF to 2nd. Throws from the infield to first base look normal to me. Shouldn't most Major League baseball players be able to make a simple throw from short or middle depth to a base without the guy running to the foul line to catch the ball?

Maybe I am wrong just throwing this topic out there and see what you all think.

[cusefan74]

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From what I have seen throws from deeper in the outfield have been off, but that's not a surprise, but yet you still get some good ones. Shallower throws though have been right there for the most part, but at times you get bad ones also. I think it is good the way it is right now, I have no complaints about them. I don't want my outfielders to be to accurate.

[BrianU]

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From what I have seen throws from deeper in the outfield have been off, but that's not a surprise, but yet you still get some good ones. Shallower throws though have been right there for the most part, but at times you get bad ones also. I think it is good the way it is right now, I have no complaints about them. I don't want my outfielders to be to accurate.

It's not about accurate. They don't have to throw a dart at the feet of a sliding runner. But in 10 games I rarely have seen close plays at 3rd or 2nd. That is one of the biggest thrills in baseball the slide to avoid the tag, the umpires call. This element seems off to me just going by my eye test.

I am seeing basemen pulled off the bag and into foul territory on simple throws from middle depth outfielders on a regular basis. That is not realism to me. A lot of people are in awe of the game so much that they overlook the small details of gameplay that may be off. I am in awe of the game too and I think pointing these things out do a service to everyone including the devs. There are lots of improvements over last year in gameplay, for example it looks in early testing that pitch speed 10 no longer ruins the stealing game like it did last year. Runs per game look to be up to more accurate numbers on default sliders, same with foul frequency. I'll release the data once I get to 25-30 or so games.

I only complain because there are no sliders to fix it. We should have an arm accuracy slider along with arm strength for IF and OF.

[CanOfCornCobb]

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It's not about accurate. They don't have to throw a dart at the feet of a sliding runner. But in 10 games I rarely have seen close plays at 3rd or 2nd. That is one of the biggest thrills in baseball the slide to avoid the tag, the umpires call. This element seems off to me just going by my eye test.

I am seeing basemen pulled off the bag and into foul territory on simple throws from middle depth outfielders on a regular basis. That is not realism to me. A lot of people are in awe of the game so much that they overlook the small details of gameplay that may be off. I am in awe of the game too and I think pointing these things out do a service to everyone including the devs. There are lots of improvements over last year in gameplay, for example it looks in early testing that pitch speed 10 no longer ruins the stealing game like it did last year. Runs per game look to be up to more accurate numbers on default sliders, same with foul frequency. I'll release the data once I get to 25-30 or so games.

I only complain because there are no sliders to fix it. We should have an arm accuracy slider along with arm strength for IF and OF.

Does the outfield throwing error slider affect this?

[canes21]

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Does the outfield throwing error slider affect this?

I would think it would. It's an accuracy slider more or less, at least in my experience.

[BrianU]

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Does the outfield throwing error slider affect this?

I have not tested it but I doubt it would change anything. You can certainly tell when a ball thrown is a throwing error and misses widely going into the dugout or stands.

What I am talking about is normal routine throws where the ball is 3 feet wide taking the 3rd baseman off the bag and out of the play that happens on a regular basis. Around 70-80% of the throws. We need a slider to affect the throwing accuracy rating of the players. The error slider doesn't work that way from what I presume, it just controls the frequency of plays where an error will happen. But I will test it in my next set of data.

[HozAndMoose]

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Who are your outfielders? Ive thrown out 3 guys at 3rd trying to stretch a double into a triple. Thrown out 2 or 3 guys at the plate. Ive seen some off target throws but its not that bad.

[GRob78]

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I've been noticing that outfield throws are often well off their marks. Several throws from my infielders, on routine plays, are also way off too. Even after changing up some sliders and controls the throws are still not precise. Granted, not every throw in actual games is accurate, but I'm losing games on MLB15 because of this...and the inability outfielders to catch routine pop-ups.

Maybe I just need to get used to their system. This is my first go at The Show having been on Xbox previously with 2K.

[BrianU]

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Who are your outfielders? Ive thrown out 3 guys at 3rd trying to stretch a double into a triple. Thrown out 2 or 3 guys at the plate. Ive seen some off target throws but its not that bad.

I am doing CPU vs CPU tests with every team and it's just a pattern that stands out very much to me while watching the games play out. I am doing these tests as a baseline to see what parts of the gameplay need fine tuning.

User input might make it less of a problem for the USER but the CPU is less accurate than a drunk playing darts at the local pub.

[braves_94]

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I think it's right on. Throws in which my fielder makes rushed are a bit offline yes. But when the CPU makes a running mistake and my guy has ample time to set and throw most of the times it's on the dot. So I'm now seeing it.

[braves2011]

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Funny!

I log onto the website to start a thread about THIS TOPIC, and it already exist.

I am also going by the "eye test". I do not have hard evidence. Very frustrated with this topic. 90% of the throws I am making do not even have a play happening at the base. My fielders are set and throwing the ball back into the 2nd base bag on a base hit. Animation kicks in where fielder is lunging off the base to make the play.

I have yet to throw out a runner. I just had a play where IF was in, ground ball to 1st baseman. Runner breaks for home, I throw there with set feet. Catcher lunges up 3rd base line and misses the tag on a runner out by 3 feet.

Yes I understand mistakes happen, but I thought surely that is a play they would make. Small sample size, its only 1 play. But I am seeing a pattern I do not personally like with throws in about a 25 game span.

Throws from infielders to other bases have been fine. Keep running test guys. Something seems off to me personally. Needs toned down some I think.

[Go Yankees]

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Please whatever you do keep the outfield throwing the way it is, its so much better than in every other year, all the other games had perfect cutoff throws every time.

[braves2011]

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Please whatever you do keep the outfield throwing the way it is, its so much better than in every other year, all the other games had perfect cutoff throws every time.

I do not think any of us on the other side of the fence are asking for "perfect throws" every time ... just a little more balance.

I want throwing someone out to be rewarding, not a gimme. But I also do not like the feeling of never having a chance.....

[BrianU]

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It's important to note that I am talking precisely about the CPU controlled players throwing accuracy. Whether the opponent CPU team or using auto fielding. When you have user input in the mix some of the things people are reported on either side of the issue here could be related to your own input.

But if you run CPU vs CPU games with default sliders you will see the pattern of the third baseman being pulled off the bag into the foul line by even intermediate throws. This is how problems should be found because its a controlled environment not altered by user skill or difficulty levels.

The game should play as closely as possible to the MLB on those settings and I feel it could be better in this area.

I am seeing an improvement lowering outfield throwing errors to 4 but it's still early to say anything.

[xBravesx]

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Please whatever you do keep the outfield throwing the way it is, its so much better than in every other year, all the other games had perfect cutoff throws every time.

I agree with this comment. Last year it was automatic to see every throw to the cutoff man to be chest high, right where the glove was placed. Also, the short -hop throws from the outfield to 2nd and/or 3rd were getting old to watch because they seemingly happened 9 out of 10 times. This just wasn't natural or possible. IMO, the throws in this year's game are much more realistic and not always on the money. Maybe after a few months of playing, my mind might change. However, it's nice to be able to go 1st to 3rd and 2nd to home without worrying that every throw is going to be perfect to the bag.