With all they've tweaked with gameplay, there's still so much more they didn't...

[kehlis]

With all they've tweaked with gameplay, there's still so much more they didn'...

Just because Russell says its so doesnt make it true, Did anyone read Russell's answer on why pitchers arent gaining stamina back? I have a very hard time believing his answer, So now why should i believe there is no comeback code? Please people Dont blindly listen and follow someone just because your told to, Go and learn for yourself and think for yourself and question everything. Thanks.

I've seen you tell people they need to think for themselves on several occasions and I have a serious question for you. Is it simply the fact that we don't agree with that stance that leads you to accusing others of not thinking for themselves?

I for one have never seen it nor even thought of it until I see it posted here. I have never needed Ramone to confirm there is no code for me to believe that.

I for one think it's pretty unfair to say we aren't thinking for ourselves simply because we disagree. It's posts like that that to me, tend to derail the actual conversation.

[Go Yankees]

Re: With all they've tweaked with gameplay, there's still so much more they didn't...

No, I simply mean that people should think for themselves and not trust a person that is in a position of authority just because that person is in a position of authority. If that makes sense, I would like to know if a thread could be started so that people that keep getting demolished by the computer in the later innings can post video's of them losing and when the computer rally started/what inning, the score when the late inning rally started and so on, Would that be ok? Then the people that dont like being come back on have a place to voice their frustrations?, And im sorry, I just want to have decent conversations that help and beter the game, Sometimes i wig out and say stupid things, i apologize.

[HustlinOwl]

Re: With all they've tweaked with gameplay, there's still so much more they didn't...

No, I simply mean that people should think for themselves and not trust a person that is in a position of authority just because that person is in a position of authority. If that makes sense, I would like to know if a thread could be started so that people that keep getting demolished by the computer in the later innings can post video's of them losing and when the computer rally started/what inning, the score when the late inning rally started and so on, Would that be ok? Then the people that dont like being come back on have a place to voice their frustrations?, And im sorry, I just want to have decent conversations that help and beter the game, Sometimes i wig out and say stupid things, i apologize.

go even a step further as I have encouraged everyone to do since last year and community challenges to go ahead and recreate some of these comebacks and see how differently the game plays amongst the community. Start say the 7th inning and post results

[Padgoi]

Re: With all they've tweaked with gameplay, there's still so much more they didn't...

You guys want an example of a complete asinine comeback? You want one? I got one for you right now. Was just playing opening day, Yankees (me) vs. Blue Jays (Hall of Fame everything). It was 3-1 Blue Jays heading into the bottom of the 8th inning. Dickey was hurling a gem, couldn't do anything against him. Then this happened:

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I wasn't hitting him all game. I was down 3-1, two outs, bottom 8. Ellsbury triple. Gardner single. 3-2. Gardner steal. ARod up. Opposite field home run, no doubter. All of a sudden I'm up 4-3. Wow. This is just an example of the comebacks can work FOR the user as well. Comebacks are RIDICULOUS in this game, for the user AND the cpu. BUT WAIT! I'm not finished, friends. We're in the Top of the 9th now and I bring in my closer, Andrew Miller, rated an 89 in the game.

First batter is Valencia:

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Leadoff single right back through the box. Ok, these things happen. I'll try to bear down.

Next batter is Reyes.

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He lays down a sac bunt. BUT WAIT! I try to get off the mound with Miller, but for some odd reason, I can't. The momentum of the pitch somehow drags me to the left, so by the time he recuperates FROM A PITCH, Reyes beats it out for a convenient infield single. First and second, no out. Here we go.

Next batter lays down a perfect sac bunt, but I get him at first. Second and third, one out. I intentionally walk Bautista to bring up Encarnacion. I bring in Betances who was working up in the bullpen this whole time and to get the righty vs. righty match, as if it means anything. And like clockwork:

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So the score is 3-1 Jays bottom 8. Yankees score 3 on a triple, single, steal, home run to take the lead 4-3. Top 9, I bring in my closer and he proceeds to casually give up a single, a bunt single in which he literally was FORCED to not get off the bunt, resulting in a sac bunt single. And then the two run single to take the lead. And what happened after the two rung single? Strike out and pop out. Of course. Damage down. No more required.

You wanted an example, you got one. And this was a BLATANT example of it. I'm sorry for my condescending tone, but as you can imagine, I am honestly disgusted with game at this point.

[countryboy]

Re: With all they've tweaked with gameplay, there's still so much more they didn't...

I'm sorry, but I don't see anything wrong with what happened. That's baseball.

I know that is not what you want to hear nor are you going to agree, but everything I saw in those videos you provided doesn't prove anything other than the fact that sometimes teams blow leads only to get them back. And that sometimes hitters figure out pitchers late in the game. And that closers are not invincible. Judging from your post and how you worded it, my guess is that Miller gave up a single and you started thinking here we go again and you stop focusing on how to approach each situation and started trying to get out of the situation as quickly as possible, which leads to bad pitches/decisions.

You complain about Reyes sac bunting a hit. Did you have your infield in bunt defense? Because baseball logic is going to tell you that with one on and nobody out in a one run game, late in the game, a non-power hitter is more than likely going to bunt. Why not throw one pitch out of the zone to see what he was going to do? Maybe you did, I can't tell from replays.

I have seen these types of games throughout my franchise. They happen both in the Show and in baseball. Its why the sport is so beautiful. Because unlike any other sport out there, in baseball, you never run out of time, you run out of opportunities.

[kehlis]

Re: With all they've tweaked with gameplay, there's still so much more they didn't...

No, I simply mean that people should think for themselves and not trust a person that is in a position of authority just because that person is in a position of authority. If that makes sense, I would like to know if a thread could be started so that people that keep getting demolished by the computer in the later innings can post video's of them losing and when the computer rally started/what inning, the score when the late inning rally started and so on, Would that be ok? Then the people that dont like being come back on have a place to voice their frustrations?, And im sorry, I just want to have decent conversations that help and beter the game, Sometimes i wig out and say stupid things, i apologize.

The discussion will always go both ways as it always has.

According to your join date you're relatively new here but I assure you what you suggest has been attempted and never works (either way).

Any thread discussing the matter one way or the other has always and would always continue to be discussed by either side of the conversation. So while I appreciate the thought I can assure you it's been done before to no avail and would evolve into the same discussion as this thread so it can continue to stay here with the directive Millennium has given.

[bkrich83]

Re: With all they've tweaked with gameplay, there's still so much more they didn't...

I have set everything at default All Star. Classic Pitching. Zone Hitting and Button Fielding.

This is essentially my setup. Slight tweaks, but pretty close. To piggy back on your post, Kimbrel is 14/15 in Save Opportunities in my franchise.

Can't say that I've ever felt cheated whena comeback occurs and we know it doesn't exist. Not sure why anyone wants to argue to the contrary but it is what it is.

Well, I have to leave for work soon so unfortunately I can't wait for that answer.

I truly believe difficulty level is at the heart of the OP's problem, for many years. I too experience what I would consider "unfairness" from the CPU when trying to play at HOF or Legend, if I'm trying to play normally (not max-efforting every pitch, I mean). I've posted examples of that, such as a 5-contact rated pitcher hitting a ball barely off dirt-level for a base hit. I can win single games at those levels, but over the course of a long stretch of games the clear advantage the CPU has in ability shows itself. But....this happens for the entire game, not just the late innings. I can give up 10 runs in the 1st on HOF just as easily as I can in the 8th or 9th. The legitimate reasons for the CPU late-inning rallies have been done to death on this board so I'm not going through that again, but on HOF with its increased ability to track patterns and place the PCI, the rallies get more prevalent and crazy.

I really believe that if the OP would just drop to All-Star and maybe adjust some sliders to the CPU's favor if need be, the feeling of the CPU raillies would not completely overwhelm his enjoyment of the game.

I believe there is a lot of valuable logic here. I also believe pitcher confidence and hot/cold streaks play in to all this. . Also people refuse to adjust what they are doing once the CPU has caught on so to speak. Also if the other team gets overly aggressive in late innings use that to your advantage.

I don't get the "Well it worked for me the first 7 innings logic, now it doesn't so it must be rubber band code" argument.

[Bullit]

Re: With all they've tweaked with gameplay, there's still so much more they didn't...

You guys want an example of a complete asinine comeback? You want one? I got one for you right now. Was just playing opening day, Yankees (me) vs. Blue Jays (Hall of Fame everything). It was 3-1 Blue Jays heading into the bottom of the 8th inning. Dickey was hurling a gem, couldn't do anything against him. Then this happened:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/9UfM4Su7dn4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

I wasn't hitting him all game. I was down 3-1, two outs, bottom 8. Ellsbury triple. Gardner single. 3-2. Gardner steal. ARod up. Opposite field home run, no doubter. All of a sudden I'm up 4-3. Wow. This is just an example of the comebacks can work FOR the user as well. Comebacks are RIDICULOUS in this game, for the user AND the cpu. BUT WAIT! I'm not finished, friends. We're in the Top of the 9th now and I bring in my closer, Andrew Miller, rated an 89 in the game.

First batter is Valencia:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/9slT0nh12hI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Leadoff single right back through the box. Ok, these things happen. I'll try to bear down.

Next batter is Reyes.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/C-NA5wGFOwU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

He lays down a sac bunt. BUT WAIT! I try to get off the mound with Miller, but for some odd reason, I can't. The momentum of the pitch somehow drags me to the left, so by the time he recuperates FROM A PITCH, Reyes beats it out for a convenient infield single. First and second, no out. Here we go.

Next batter lays down a perfect sac bunt, but I get him at first. Second and third, one out. I intentionally walk Bautista to bring up Encarnacion. I bring in Betances who was working up in the bullpen this whole time and to get the righty vs. righty match, as if it means anything. And like clockwork:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/NkqW3HefJc8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

So the score is 3-1 Jays bottom 8. Yankees score 3 on a triple, single, steal, home run to take the lead 4-3. Top 9, I bring in my closer and he proceeds to casually give up a single, a bunt single in which he literally was FORCED to not get off the bunt, resulting in a sac bunt single. And then the two run single to take the lead. And what happened after the two rung single? Strike out and pop out. Of course. Damage down. No more required.

You wanted an example, you got one. And this was a BLATANT example of it. I'm sorry for my condescending tone, but as you can imagine, I am honestly disgusted with game at this point.

I'm sorry, but I don't see anything wrong with what happened. That's baseball.

I know that is not what you want to hear nor are you going to agree, but everything I saw in those videos you provided doesn't prove anything other than the fact that sometimes teams blow leads only to get them back. And that sometimes hitters figure out pitchers late in the game. And that closers are not invincible. Judging from your post and how you worded it, my guess is that Miller gave up a single and you started thinking here we go again and you stop focusing on how to approach each situation and started trying to get out of the situation as quickly as possible, which leads to bad pitches/decisions.

You complain about Reyes sac bunting a hit. Did you have your infield in bunt defense? Because baseball logic is going to tell you that with one on and nobody out in a one run game, late in the game, a non-power hitter is more than likely going to bunt. Why not throw one pitch out of the zone to see what he was going to do? Maybe you did, I can't tell from replays.

I have seen these types of games throughout my franchise. They happen both in the Show and in baseball. Its why the sport is so beautiful. Because unlike any other sport out there, in baseball, you never run out of time, you run out of opportunities.

You know you keep posting all of these problems.

Myself and many others on here have tried to help, giving you advice , offered up things to try to help solve this for you. You are seeming grateful at first and open to other opinions and help. Then two days later you are posting the same videos, playing on the same settings and just ignoring any help that has been offered or opinion that is different than yours.

Well you win sir, you are right its is your game to play/or not as you see fit. Have fun. I'm done.

Countryboy I could not agree with you more if I wrote it myself

[Padgoi]

Re: With all they've tweaked with gameplay, there's still so much more they didn't...

And this is precisely why videos like these aren't posted. Because when they are, we are ridiculed and told to move down a difficulty level, completely ignoring the issue that on the higher levels, happenstances like this are all too common. Mill asked us to post example and when we do were ridiculed and ganged up on.

And CountryBoy, you see no problem with Reyes laying down a sac bunt and the game literally preventing me from getting off the mound to field it? Having the infield in is immaterial, the game literally prevented me from getting off the mound to field it. As in I could not. This isn't an issue???

[Millennium]

Re: With all they've tweaked with gameplay, there's still so much more they didn't...

And this is precisely why videos like these aren't posted. Because when they are, we are ridiculed and told to move down a difficulty level, completely ignoring the issue that on the higher levels, happenstances like this are all too common. Mill asked us to post example and when we do were ridiculed and ganged up on.

And CountryBoy, you see no problem with Reyes laying down a sac bunt and the game literally preventing me from getting off the mound to field it? Having the infield in is immaterial, the game literally prevented me from getting off the mound to field it. As in I could not. This isn't an issue???

I don't believe you were ridiculed, people are just trying to help.

Your video is a bit short in terms of what happened. What was your pitching g strategy to the same batters earlier in the game? I play on HoF and I actually chart my pitching when I start to get into a rut. I started doing this when a few years ago, ironically, I thought the CPU was cheating me out of wins. What I found was that I used the strike zone too much. Now, that's what I found out, but I can't say it will be the same for you. I know this sounds crazy for a video game, but The Show on HoF or Legend is, for better or worse, like this.

I was looking for a game video where we could see each at bat and maybe help you with changing up strategies.

Do you mind me asking what your pitching strategies are in general throughout a game?

[Knight165]

Re: With all they've tweaked with gameplay, there's still so much more they didn't...

And this is precisely why videos like these aren't posted. Because when they are, we are ridiculed and told to move down a difficulty level, completely ignoring the issue that on the higher levels, happenstances like this are all too common. Mill asked us to post example and when we do were ridiculed and ganged up on.

And CountryBoy, you see no problem with Reyes laying down a sac bunt and the game literally preventing me from getting off the mound to field it? Having the infield in is immaterial, the game literally prevented me from getting off the mound to field it. As in I could not. This isn't an issue???

Your leg came down.....and you immediately started for the ball.

M.K.
Knight165

[Millennium]

Re: With all they've tweaked with gameplay, there's still so much more they didn't...

And just to explain the bunt:

Miller had a 40 Reaction rating, and a 7 Fielding. Couple that with the end of the pitching motion (Miller doesn't end very balanced in real life either) that may explain why he had issues with the bunt.

[Knight165]

Re: With all they've tweaked with gameplay, there's still so much more they didn't...

And just to explain the bunt:

Miller had a 40 Reaction rating, and a 7 Fielding. Couple that with the end of the pitching motion (Miller doesn't end very balanced in real life either) that may explain why he had issues with the bunt.

Yes....it looks like his momentum carried him to the 3B side...the ball to the 1B side.....his leg comes down...and then the motion to the ball starts.
You may have been hitting the stick left to field it...but with that motion....the actual fielding play is not going to start until the pitch motion is completed.

M.K.
Knight165

[countryboy]

Re: With all they've tweaked with gameplay, there's still so much more they didn't...

And this is precisely why videos like these aren't posted. Because when they are, we are ridiculed and told to move down a difficulty level, completely ignoring the issue that on the higher levels, happenstances like this are all too common. Mill asked us to post example and when we do were ridiculed and ganged up on.

Nobody is ganging up on you. Your videos are tough to tell anything really given that they are replay videos. I was expecting to see a video that showed basically recorded gameplay footage of at least the 9th inning. Where we could see that the cpu was hitting balls in the dirt into gaps or that you getting squeezed on pitches. Replay videos really do nothing to help prove an issue or disprove it because we are seeing only part of the equation.

And CountryBoy, you see no problem with Reyes laying down a sac bunt and the game literally preventing me from getting off the mound to field it? Having the infield in is immaterial, the game literally prevented me from getting off the mound to field it. As in I could not. This isn't an issue???

Honestly, I couldn't tell from that video that you were forced to stay on the mound. But you just stated that having the infield in is immaterial, and I want to focus on that for a moment. You have a guy on first with nobody out in the 9th inning of a one run game. Up comes Reyes, a guy with speed to beat out a bunt in a bunting situation. Why wouldn't you bring the infield in? You are asking for the situation you got. Take what happened to Miller out of the equation. You should've at least, had the 3B in to cover a sacrifice bunt.

But to your point, Miller is a poor fielder, very poor. He is a closer, he isn't used to fielding bunts in those situations. I do not know his exact ratings, but to get upset that he was slow to react is misplaced frustration in my opinion given that he is a poor fielder.

[Padgoi]

With all they've tweaked with gameplay, there's still so much more they didn'...

And just to explain the bunt:

Miller had a 40 Reaction rating, and a 7 Fielding. Couple that with the end of the pitching motion (Miller doesn't end very balanced in real life either) that may explain why he had issues with the bunt.

Hmm see this right here is a constructive answer. I didn't take that into consideration at all. I can definitely see this having an affect on it. Looks like I may need to just play smarter baseball.