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  • MetsFan16
    MVP
    • Nov 2011
    • 1416

    #16
    Re: Scouting Doesn't Matter?

    So I understand not discovering new players to keep the young guys entering the draft. But should I still scout individual players? I thought someone said the potential is correct no matter how accurate the scout was
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    • Fours
      Rookie
      • May 2015
      • 245

      #17
      Re: Scouting Doesn't Matter?

      Originally posted by MetsFan16
      So I understand not discovering new players to keep the young guys entering the draft. But should I still scout individual players? I thought someone said the potential is correct no matter how accurate the scout was
      If you do have previously discovered players sitting there, yes, scout them fully. If you haven't discovered, there will be no players listed aside from the blue chippers who are fully scouted.

      When you enter the draft you'll still get the 7 rounds worth of players, and their overall and potential shown will be exact.

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      • bobloblah1980
        Rookie
        • Oct 2010
        • 459

        #18
        Re: Scouting Doesn't Matter?

        Originally posted by Fours
        There seems to also be an issue when you never scout, the prospects all seem to be as if they were discovered(created) with a scout search looking for contact and power. Or at least over time you get a ton of prospects who are all stick, no D, no speed.

        In my current franchise I'm going to test doing 1 day of discovery to create fast players, a day for defensive players, and some RF/3B guys with a decent throw tool. I'll scout just one day so I can fully scout every player found, and not have too much overflow. I will not scout pitchers at all, as they seem to be the ones that don't enter the draft and get to 25 years old.
        Great info. I never realized the age thing, I usually only scout players that were up to 5 years out and 22 yr olds or less so I never noticed it, but it makes sense

        I can tell you if you scout for speed guys they show up for sure, I have seen them, Also on you big bats thing I'm wondering because you are doing"nothing" when you 1st go to discover a fielder the default setting is contact/power. I'm wondering if that's why you're getting so many big bats..just a theory to put out there in the discussion
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        • fakeusername 2
          Rookie
          • Apr 2015
          • 10

          #19
          Re: Scouting Doesn't Matter?

          From reading everyone's comments, would it maybe be best to discovery for the first month of the season making sure that you are continually changing the player types for which you are looking and then just start scouting the players that have been discovered. I know it sounds like scouting the players is not necessary, but if you assign your scouts to scout maybe they will not find new players by default, which seems to be happening when the scouts are not given direction.

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          • Threeebs
            Rookie
            • Mar 2013
            • 451

            #20
            Re: Scouting Doesn't Matter?

            Interesting... Now what I want to know is what the other 29 teams are doing. I assume you're not using 30 team control. If the other 29 teams are discovering players then wouldn't they still be "creating" players that eventually clog up the numbers of prospects?
            T.K.

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            • Fours
              Rookie
              • May 2015
              • 245

              #21
              Re: Scouting Doesn't Matter?

              Originally posted by bobloblah1980
              I can tell you if you scout for speed guys they show up for sure, I have seen them, Also on you big bats thing I'm wondering because you are doing"nothing" when you 1st go to discover a fielder the default setting is contact/power. I'm wondering if that's why you're getting so many big bats..just a theory to put out there in the discussion
              That's exactly what I think, it's auto generating players as if you searched for contact/power players.

              I'm testing now where I discover for 1 day to create more prospect diversity, but I'm also playing the games, maybe I'll sim forward and see how it turns out since so many of you seem interested.

              I would love to get details from a developer on how discovery works. I notice that if you set the search to speed/fielding, but leave it that way until you've discovered all prospects in region, if you look, the ones discovered near the end don't match the speed/fielding very well. So is the pool set, or is it randomly generating as you discover?

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              • Fours
                Rookie
                • May 2015
                • 245

                #22
                Re: Scouting Doesn't Matter?

                Originally posted by Threeebs
                Interesting... Now what I want to know is what the other 29 teams are doing. I assume you're not using 30 team control. If the other 29 teams are discovering players then wouldn't they still be "creating" players that eventually clog up the numbers of prospects?
                You're right, I don't use 30 team control even though I know it would improve the simulation side of things, I can't have fun if I'm the baseball god, I need to compete against something, even if it's the "stupid computer"

                There's no way to know how 29 CPU teams discover/scout, but I can tell you that it doesn't cause the overflow. As long as your user controlled team doesn't scout, the prospect list is cleared out after each season(aside from the blue chippers, of course)

                Also worth noting, an overflow player will never become a bluechip prospect, so it's not designed to simulate a prep star deciding to go to college and then entering later as a more developed player.

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                • Fours
                  Rookie
                  • May 2015
                  • 245

                  #23
                  Re: Scouting Doesn't Matter?

                  I tested doing limited scout and things worked out pretty well..

                  I scouted looking for the specific player types that were too rare with never scouting:

                  Catchers - Fielding/Arm

                  Infield - Fielding/Speed

                  Outfield - Speed/Fielding

                  Outfield - Arm/Power

                  Most regions got 1 or 2 days, and a total of about 30 players were discovered. I scouted them all 100% and then entered the draft.

                  I did see those skill sets better represented, and every prospect entered the draft, so spillover shouldn't be an issue.

                  The draft pool still had all of the usual problems, the top potential guy was 98, and he was a 22 year old senior rated 42 Overall. That means he spent 4 years in college absolutely sucking, but MLB scouts saw that he'll be a stud by age 29 or so and took him 3rd overall. Unfortunately it seems age is just randomly generated.

                  There were also way too many guys with 50 speed, 90 stealing. Obviously those numbers should be reversed for most young players.

                  There more room to experiment, I'd like to see how many can be scouted before you cause overflow.

                  **Edit: I ran through a second time, and there were 2 players that didn't enter the draft. Both Shortstops, 20, and 22 years old.
                  Last edited by Fours; 05-23-2015, 09:41 PM.

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                  • bobloblah1980
                    Rookie
                    • Oct 2010
                    • 459

                    #24
                    I have 1 chise thats 4 years in, I think I will experiment with the overflow idea you tried as I am going to start a new one when willards re-rates come out this week hopefully. I am hopeing that will fix some of the progression stuff,I am going to do 1day discovering 1st and go from there I guess
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                    • Jr.
                      Playgirl Coverboy
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 19171

                      #25
                      Re: Scouting Doesn't Matter?

                      Fours, when you were doing the scouting, did you have all of your scouts doing the same player type for a couple of days, or each scout doing one particular type?
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                      • Fours
                        Rookie
                        • May 2015
                        • 245

                        #26
                        Re: Scouting Doesn't Matter?

                        I had a single scout looking for a player type, I would spend one day in each region. So 4 scouts looking for the same player type for one day would be the same thing. I think it's more efficient to get the discovered guys scouted starting day 2.

                        For catchers, you can leave it a few days since they discover much more slowly.

                        I liked the result from this for more variety of prospect type.. A few times I scouted too many players and had 5 or so guys overflow, but I would just scout less the next year to make sure it cleaned out..

                        Worth mentioning is that you still do get age overflow, even with no scouting at all, it's just not nearly as bad.

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                        • cts50
                          Banned
                          • Jun 2014
                          • 557

                          #27
                          Re: Scouting Doesn't Matter?

                          Ok, so if I wanted the worst possible draft class, just do not do anything with the scouts at all?

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                          • KBLover
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 12172

                            #28
                            Re: Scouting Doesn't Matter?

                            That's interesting that discovery is creating players basically on demand.

                            I would have thought it would be like how OOTP has these players already existing and discovering them just makes them visible to you (but not necessarily to other clubs).

                            Only thing is - I've seen players I've discovered drafted by other teams. So if they are created on the fly, how did the other team draft them? They become visible to all teams even though they didn't scout them?
                            "Some people call it butterflies, but to him, it probably feels like pterodactyls in his stomach." --Plesac in MLB18

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                            • Geolink
                              Pro
                              • Sep 2011
                              • 652

                              #29
                              Re: Scouting Doesn't Matter?

                              I keep it on auto and I let the CPU draft for me.

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                              • bobloblah1980
                                Rookie
                                • Oct 2010
                                • 459

                                #30
                                Re: Scouting Doesn't Matter?

                                Originally posted by KBLover
                                Only thing is - I've seen players I've discovered drafted by other teams. So if they are created on the fly, how did the other team draft them? They become visible to all teams even though they didn't scout them?
                                Yes. Once you have discovered them they are fair game for all teams.

                                I have now gone to not scouting Velocity on pitchers because of the fb/change up progression issue, And Now I am going to discovering every 3 years so that I can clean up the overflow and start a new without flooding the draft with a ton of new players
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