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  • tharding16
    Rookie
    • Nov 2013
    • 29

    #31
    Re: Scouting Doesn't Matter?

    I was just curious. A question about the players you discover and are not automatically generated without scouting.

    Are the 0% accuracy reports on them also correct, or is it just the ones that are automatically generated by the game?

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    • xgfhjjh
      Just started!
      • Jun 2015
      • 4

      #32
      Re: Scouting Doesn't Matter?

      Except you are "cheating". The CPU doesnt get to know who is the best. So why should you?

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      • Fours
        Rookie
        • May 2015
        • 245

        #33
        Re: Scouting Doesn't Matter?

        Originally posted by xgfhjjh
        Except you are "cheating". The CPU doesnt get to know who is the best. So why should you?
        That's an absurdly ignorant statement.

        Go run a draft and look at the CPU selections. Then compare it to discovered but unscouted list, and the 60% scouted auto-scouting result.

        The CPU absolutely does not scout and draft equal to a human controlled team.

        The entire draft system in franchise mode is indefensible, it's a patch work workaround to roughly simulate the many ways that players enter the league. I loaded 7.5 round draft(Ya, half the league gets a 7th round pick.. the world literally runs out of human being who play baseball) to replace a 40 round amateur draft, international amateur signings, and pro international signings. The scouting system is equally nonsensical, and only exists to add the thinnest layer of depth.

        The draft has been essentially unchanged since it's inception, with the most notable upgrade being tuning generated names to avoid guys named Daisuke Miller, the Latino SS with a blond afro.

        That said, many thanks for the ability to manually edit the dogs breakfast that the generated draft still spits out each season.

        I went off on a tangent, but my point is that there's no way to be "fair" and enjoy the draft process, it's just something you try to survive, and hope it doesn't destroy the long term playability of your franchise. (spoiler, it does)

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        • countryboy
          Growing pains
          • Sep 2003
          • 52832

          #34
          Re: Scouting Doesn't Matter?

          The draft needs a major overhaul. Its dull and boring and does nothing to immerse the users into the game.

          More information is needed for the players, more options on scouting are needed. The entire thing is a go through the motions type event. I find the Rule 5 draft to be more engaging than that of the Rule 4 amateur draft.
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          I miss the old days of Operation Sports :(


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          • braves_94
            Rookie
            • Jul 2013
            • 275

            #35
            Re: Scouting Doesn't Matter?

            I have draft and scouting on auto, lol. Then I just make sure to sign them before the deadline. Seems fair.

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            • Fours
              Rookie
              • May 2015
              • 245

              #36
              Re: Scouting Doesn't Matter?

              Originally posted by countryboy
              The draft needs a major overhaul. Its dull and boring and does nothing to immerse the users into the game.

              More information is needed for the players, more options on scouting are needed. The entire thing is a go through the motions type event. I find the Rule 5 draft to be more engaging than that of the Rule 4 amateur draft.
              The fact that the Rule 5 draft is fun means that it's broken too..

              The CPU doesn't protect players from the Rule 5 draft, they add to the 40 man based only on positional depth and the current season MLB situation.

              A low 70's rated B potential 23/yo prospect would realistically be most teams top prospect, and should never be exposed to the Rule 5.

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              • BrianU
                MVP
                • Nov 2008
                • 1565

                #37
                Re: Scouting Doesn't Matter?

                There are many reasons why I can't understand the fun of playing without 30 team control. You have to be completely oblivious to play that way.

                So have we decided what is a method that you can make the Amateur draft as less broken as possible? I don't care about draft for my team, I have it set to auto scouting/auto draft for all 30 teams. But this method will screw things up you say? So what is my best option?

                Should I put scouting on manual for all 30 teams so there is no scouting and then auto for every team for drafting? What will happen with that.. just a total blind draft for every team?

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                • countryboy
                  Growing pains
                  • Sep 2003
                  • 52832

                  #38
                  Re: Scouting Doesn't Matter?

                  Originally posted by BrianU
                  There are many reasons why I can't understand the fun of playing without 30 team control. You have to be completely oblivious to play that way.
                  I play without 30 team control and have a blast. Not sure why I should be labeled oblivious simply because I play differently than you think someone should play.

                  I have fun with game and take it for what it does good and not so good. It's my own little virtual baseball world. If a team wants to trade a star player for a hill of beans, so be it. If a team wants to put up their best prospect in the Rule 5 draft, so be it. If a team wants to draft this player or sign that player, then so be it.

                  For me its fun. If its not for you then cool. Isn't it great that we have options to play the game the way we want to play, to get the most enjoyment as we can get out of it?

                  Sorry, but stating that people have to be oblivious to play without 30 team control is unnecessary. We all play the game the way we play because that is how we enjoy the game. And that is all the matters in the end, is that you enjoy the game.

                  I can't shave with my eyes closed, meaning each day I have to look at myself in the mirror and respect who I see.

                  I miss the old days of Operation Sports :(


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                  • Potatoes002
                    MVP
                    • Jul 2008
                    • 2143

                    #39
                    Re: Scouting Doesn't Matter?

                    So assuming that scouting/searching actually creates prospects that are catered to what you've searched for, what should I be doing to try to keep things more realistic? Obviously not searching for pitchers that have high velocity or potential, as there seems to be way too many of them, but what else? What kind of players does Franchise mode lack (or have a surplus of) a few seasons in?

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                    • Fours
                      Rookie
                      • May 2015
                      • 245

                      #40
                      Re: Scouting Doesn't Matter?

                      Originally posted by BrianU
                      There are many reasons why I can't understand the fun of playing without 30 team control. You have to be completely oblivious to play that way.

                      So have we decided what is a method that you can make the Amateur draft as less broken as possible? I don't care about draft for my team, I have it set to auto scouting/auto draft for all 30 teams. But this method will screw things up you say? So what is my best option?

                      Should I put scouting on manual for all 30 teams so there is no scouting and then auto for every team for drafting? What will happen with that.. just a total blind draft for every team?
                      The word oblivious got quite a reaction since it's usually used as a way to insult someone.. I'm going to assume you used it meaning that people who don't use 30 team control aren't concerned with the depth of, or are capable of ignoring/excusing the bizarre decisions that AI GM's make.

                      I can't enjoy 30 team control because I feel like I'm competing against myself. Maybe it depends on how you prioritize the franchise experience - Are you competing inside a virtual league with the goal of out-building other franchises, or is it just about a never ending cascade of games to play and multi year stat/accomplishment tracking?

                      You should probably say something like "I would have to be completely oblivious to play that way." Since you can only speak to the things that you want to get out of the game mode.

                      As for the best method.. It seems to be limited scouting - no pitchers, no contact/power discovery. Then fully scout your group of 30-40 discovered players. This adds prospect variety, and doesn't overflow as much as full discovery. Using 30 team control it would be quite labor intensive, and create too many prospects. I would say use manual scouting, auto draft, and the CPU teams will select players based on their exact overall-potential. It won't be a blind draft from what I know, but I've never done it, so if you do, let us know?

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                      • Armor and Sword
                        The Lama
                        • Sep 2010
                        • 21798

                        #41
                        Re: Scouting Doesn't Matter?

                        On 30 team control.

                        I use it simply to make sure lineups have integrity, and trades are fun.

                        29 teams set to full auto.

                        Trades come through....I use a random number method to approve or decline based on players involved, age and need. Then I determine in my own little twisted baseball mind the odds of the trade happening.

                        20% chance? 0-20 trade goes through.

                        70% chance? 0-70 trade goes through.

                        I am having a blast.

                        I also have a house rule for my own team that I can only make offers for players on the trade block. And I still apply the random number method to approve or decline.

                        I have had some great trades so far doing this.

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                        • RandyBass
                          MVP
                          • Dec 2009
                          • 1179

                          #42
                          Re: Scouting Doesn't Matter?

                          Wish they'd take a year or two and just focus on the general managing and nothing else.

                          Franchise Mode feels like it's just slapped on. No depth. No realism. No fun.

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                          • NDAlum
                            ND
                            • Jun 2010
                            • 11453

                            #43
                            Re: Scouting Doesn't Matter?

                            I just started a new franchise and using 30-man control I decided to have all 30 teams not scout anyone. This way at the draft I get the true ratings for every single player. I also noticed that all the blue chip guys were in the draft pool, so something definitely happens when you don't scout new guys.

                            I am picking players for all 30 teams for 2 rounds then simming the rest. This way the CPU doesn't draft bums.
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                            • HypoLuxa13
                              MVP
                              • Feb 2007
                              • 1156

                              #44
                              Re: Scouting Doesn't Matter?

                              I cheat. I edit players' potential and attributes of the guys I draft when I get to the offseason anyway to make them more representative of where they were drafted. Not only because the prospects aren't quite realistic compared to real life, but also because progression isn't quite right. I've posted on potential before, not going to go into it here.

                              But anyway, If I take a 21 year old in the first round, and he has high 90's potential, in real life he would likely be MLB ready within 2 years. See Kris Bryant, Byron Buxton, etc. But in The Show, he might be 26 or 27 before being MLB ready. So yeah, I'll edit that player so he would be set up to be in the 70-75 range for an overall rating in a couple years.

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                              • Armor and Sword
                                The Lama
                                • Sep 2010
                                • 21798

                                #45
                                Re: Scouting Doesn't Matter?

                                Originally posted by NDAlum
                                I just started a new franchise and using 30-man control I decided to have all 30 teams not scout anyone. This way at the draft I get the true ratings for every single player. I also noticed that all the blue chip guys were in the draft pool, so something definitely happens when you don't scout new guys.

                                I am picking players for all 30 teams for 2 rounds then simming the rest. This way the CPU doesn't draft bums.
                                I am going to do this in my new Giants franchise as well as year two of my Yankees chise.

                                Too late for the 1987 chise but in year two I will also employ this strategy.

                                Makes sense.
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