The problem with patching "problems" based on user feedback

[tessl]

Re: The problem with patching "problems" based on user feedback

My source is common sense.....
http://www.baseball-reference.com/le...-batting.shtml

That is 0.26737 % of hits are bunts.
I'll give you that 50 % of attempts are successful and I'll also give you that some of those are sac bunt attempts that didn't result in an out as freebies.
So just over 1/2 of a percent of AB's are bunt attempts(for hits)
Sounds like all the rage among MLB hitters.

CPU hitters still attempt bunts.
You have to tell your batters to bunt 0.53474 % of the time.
That's an insane amount of effort.
You better get a nap in before your next game.

M.K.
Knight165

None of that has anything to do with your assertion players don't bunt on their own in MLB. I was watching a Cardinal game today, 5th inning, one out, bases empty, 3-1 count Bourjos bunted foul. He didn't get a sign from a coach. Tim McCarver on the telecast criticized Bourjos for trying to bunt for a hit on a 3-1 count.

Again, to the larger point of patching perceived problems based on user complaints the problem is you end up with a game which is someone's version of how MLB should be instead of replicating reality. I prefer the game to play as close to reality as possible.

[countryboy]

Re: The problem with patching "problems" based on user feedback

I'm not a developer, you need to ask them.

the patch for bunting effected:

* Rate at which cpu controlled players bunt
* Success rates of bunts both cpu and user


I don't play MoM so I have no idea how this effected bunting in that mode, but for those that play the games it has made for a better experience. If its anything like Sportscast Sim (I do that for my minor league games if I don't play them) players on my team will still bunt at times during the game, even when not instructed.

[Jr.]

Re: The problem with patching "problems" based on user feedback

I'm not a developer, you need to ask them.

Why would I do that? You brought up the idea.

They didn't change the rate of Users bunting, because a user players decides to bunt on their own, without any CPU influence. That makes it impossible for the developers to alter the rate.

[cusefan74]

Re: The problem with patching "problems" based on user feedback

I use manage mode. People complained the batters were bunting too much so the "fixed" it in the patch. Now user controlled batters never bunt for a hit.

Too many bunts are not realistic but the batter never bunting is as unrealistic because IRL players bunt for a hit on their own.

It isn't a game breaker but an example of how "fixing" something has to be done carefully.

I understand what you are saying here, because before, guys on your team would try and bunt for a hit on their own. Myself though I hated that. If you want them to bunt for a hit just call for it.

[ManiacMatt1782]

Re: The problem with patching "problems" based on user feedback

Is he arguing that the developers patched users brains and made them now never opt to press "triangle" at the plate? Seriously? Users can still bunt. They can still press y, if it's not 90 percent successful with guys like Gordon and Hamilton anymore, and guys are opting to actually swing the bat with these guys instead of drag bunting every time up, then I say the patch did it's job well.

[Knight165]

Re: The problem with patching "problems" based on user feedback

Is he arguing that the developers patched users brains and made them now never opt to press "triangle" at the plate? Seriously? Users can still bunt. They can still press y, if it's not 90 percent successful with guys like Gordon and Hamilton anymore, and guys are opting to actually swing the bat with these guys instead of drag bunting every time up, then I say the patch did it's job well.

He's talking M.o.M. games....
He wants to see Bartolo Colon try and drag bunt at some obscure moment that makes no sense because it happens once every blood moon that falls on the 16th of the 3rd month of the year.
As I showed with the baseball reference chart.....bunting for hits is miniscule .....the CPU still does it....he wants to see the team he is managing do it without his input.


M.K.
Knight165

[braves_94]

Re: The problem with patching "problems" based on user feedback

I was watching the Cardinals last night, and the pitcher Carlos Martinez attempted at laying down a bunt with no on and no outs. I've seen Brian McCann lay down to beat out a shift. The notion that no one bunts that you're asserting, based on the fact that it happens so rarely in the real game, has no merit to me.

[Jr.]

Re: The problem with patching "problems" based on user feedback

He's talking M.o.M. games....
He wants to see Bartolo Colon try and drag bunt at some obscure moment that makes no sense because it happens once every blood moon that falls on the 16th of the 3rd month of the year.
As I showed with the baseball reference chart.....bunting for hits is miniscule .....the CPU still does it....he wants to see the team he is managing do it without his input.


M.K.
Knight165

This is a pretty unnecessary sentence. He wasn't asking anything of the sort.

I don't understand his idea of the CPU deciding user bunt rates and how the devs adjusted that, but I don't think he's looking for anything out of the ordinary when it comes to his own team bunting.

As he said, MLB players are rarely, if ever, given a sign for a drag bunt.

[countryboy]

Re: The problem with patching "problems" based on user feedback

This is a pretty unnecessary sentence. He wasn't asking anything of the sort.

I don't understand his idea of the CPU deciding user bunt rates and how the devs adjusted that, but I don't think he's looking for anything out of the ordinary when it comes to his own team bunting.

As he said, MLB players are rarely, if ever, given a sign for a drag bunt.

I believe his issue is that players on his team will not bunt on their own unless instructed by him. Something they apparently did prior to this latest patch. This is all inside MoM

[Ruffy]

Re: The problem with patching "problems" based on user feedback

My source is common sense.....
http://www.baseball-reference.com/le...-batting.shtml

That is 0.26737 % of hits are bunts.
I'll give you that 50 % of attempts are successful and I'll also give you that some of those are sac bunt attempts that didn't result in an out as freebies.
So just over 1/2 of a percent of AB's are bunt attempts(for hits)
Sounds like all the rage among MLB hitters.

CPU hitters still attempt bunts.
You have to tell your batters to bunt 0.53474 % of the time.
That's an insane amount of effort.
You better get a nap in before your next game.

M.K.
Knight165

Why did you have get aggressive in your post? The facts made your point just fine.

I agree bunts for hits are super rare and I always think MLB The Show is a game designed to be played with a joystick even though they offer MOM (manage only mode) it really isn't tuned for it.

I'd suggest OOTP 16 for the OP if the Show frustrates him too much.

[tessl]

Re: The problem with patching "problems" based on user feedback

This is a pretty unnecessary sentence. He wasn't asking anything of the sort.

I don't understand his idea of the CPU deciding user bunt rates and how the devs adjusted that, but I don't think he's looking for anything out of the ordinary when it comes to his own team bunting.

As he said, MLB players are rarely, if ever, given a sign for a drag bunt.

Good to see someone else understands the game of baseball. It is not a game breaker, still a fantastic game but an example of what happens sometimes in this game - the squeaky wheel theory.

The squeaky wheel gets the oil. Sometimes it seems the devs patch or change the game just to get people to shut up and the result is a move away from reality.

Another example is the change to progression. There have been numerous threads discussing how this has resulted in problems in future years and it seems to be a direct result of people pushing hard for changes to progression. Those people were placated but now there are lengthy threads about how to find a workaround for broken progression as a result of the squeaky wheel getting the oil.

[tessl]

Re: The problem with patching "problems" based on user feedback

Why did you have get aggressive in your post? The facts made your point just fine.

I agree bunts for hits are super rare and I always think MLB The Show is a game designed to be played with a joystick even though they offer MOM (manage only mode) it really isn't tuned for it.

I'd suggest OOTP 16 for the OP if the Show frustrates him too much.

You agreed with his numbers? His numbers don't include bunt attempts which go foul, bunt attempts which are missed and result in a strike, bunt attempts which result in an error, bunt attempts which result in an out etc.

It doesn't ruin the game but the larger point is patching or changing the game just to placate someone who may be more interested in having the game play as they wish than in replicating reality. Every time they do this they move away from reality. Do it often enough and a few small issues add up.

OOTP doesn't have graphics and probably never will because they don't have the staff to do it. I've never played it but my impression is it's more for simmers than people who want to use manage mode. Good at what it does but not my cup of tea.

[countryboy]

Re: The problem with patching "problems" based on user feedback

I can assure you the developers do not patch something just to shut people up. Bunting was a legitimate issue for those who play the actual games. Sorry it messed up mom but at least u can still instruct your plasters to bunt.

And I honestly thought this thread was a serious issue you were having, but based on this post, it seems this was just a hidden attempt to call out the developers.

[Padgoi]

Re: The problem with patching "problems" based on user feedback

I can assure you the developers do not patch something just to shut people up. Bunting was a legitimate issue for those who play the actual games. Sorry it messed up mom but at least u can still instruct your plasters to bunt.

And I honestly thought this thread was a serious issue you were having, but based on this post, it seems this was just a hidden attempt to call out the developers.

Even I have to agree with this point. There was an issue with bunting before the patch. While the issue is still there, the patch definitely alleviated it, so I don't think the developers released the patch just to shut people up.

[Ruffy]

Re: The problem with patching "problems" based on user feedback

You agreed with his numbers? His numbers don't include bunt attempts which go foul, bunt attempts which are missed and result in a strike, bunt attempts which result in an error, bunt attempts which result in an out etc.

It doesn't ruin the game but the larger point is patching or changing the game just to placate someone who may be more interested in having the game play as they wish than in replicating reality. Every time they do this they move away from reality. Do it often enough and a few small issues add up.

OOTP doesn't have graphics and probably never will because they don't have the staff to do it. I've never played it but my impression is it's more for simmers than people who want to use manage mode. Good at what it does but not my cup of tea.

It has a manage mode and it plays extremely well. All I am saying is video games are mostly designed for people to control the players. Even though the Show has an option for manage only mode it likely has its issues when essentially it is CPU vs CPU.