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  • Padgoi
    Banned
    • Oct 2008
    • 1873

    #1

    Official "Wonky Logic" Thread

    CountryBoy gave me the idea for this thread and what better person to start it then the most vocal supporter of "Wonky Logic" that makes you think the game gives the losing team a boost when they're down. Before I continue, I know the developers have stated there is no code in the game to support comebacks and that's fine, but MANY of us this year have reported seeing situations that really made you scratch your head (or a lot worse).

    Let's use this thread only for instances where you felt the game gave the losing team a boost to catch up. I don't want arguments starting in this thread. If you are a staunch supporter of the game having no "boost" code, please don't post. Let us have our one topic where we can rant about our frustrations and not get pulled into a pointless debate.

    Please, if you can, use video to support your stories. And while some of us simply don't have the time or patience to upload video every time something Wonky happens, let's try to do our best so that people can see exactly that we're not all loons. Thanks!
  • zukes
    Pro
    • Mar 2005
    • 703

    #2
    Re: Official "Wonky Logic" Thread

    First, I don't have any videos.

    Second, I believe the team when they say there is no code, but this is the first time I am really questioning it at all.

    I just had a 4 game series in my season against the Mets. They are in first, but right around .500. I am in first but well over .500. They do have a good pitching staff and my offense has been through some slumps before, so no issues there. I go in slumps and I can see that it is me and not the game.

    However, in this one series, I have hit the pitcher at least 10 times with no exaggeration. I have not been squaring up the ball, but when I do in this series, it's at the pitcher. I had seen this happen, probably too often, in the past, but it was not as bad as most make it out to be, but this series was brutal. To top it off, they probably hit my pitcher with a hit 4 or 5 times in the series as well.

    After winning the first game 3-2, with my #1 in the MLB pitching staff and my #5 starter, Matt Moore (who's really my #2 stats-wise thus far) my #1, James Shields (been my #3) and my #2, Wily Peralta (been my ace) going the next three games, I felt pretty good.

    Moore was tired from his previous start, gave up 5 in 5 and I pulled him, my bullpen proceeds to get lit up and I lose 13-3.

    Shields was good through 6, giving up 2, but used a lot of pitches. I needed two relievers to get out of the 7th, was hitting the meter more often than not and either missing the spot completely out of the zone, or right down the middle. I lose 13-1.

    Peralta gives up 4 in 6 innings and I lose 6-1.

    In every one of these games, pitches that are normally strikes, were not, either missed calls or pitches missing when they normally don't. It felt pre-determined, but I get that it could be a slump.

    My defense went from near the bottom of the league (ridiculous pre-determined OF errors), to minimum of two errors each game. Not errors that I made, but the pre-determined ones that plague this game.

    So like I said, I believe the devs when they say there is no wonky logic or rubber-banding, comeback code etc., but it sure seems fishy when all of these things happen at once.

    I get that this happens in real life, when everything just isn't clicking for a stretch, but the way this happened with the hitting the pitcher and the pre-determined errors especially....I understand that the slumps are likely mine and can accept that, but come on 10 hit pitchers (at least, and only when I finally do square up the ball) and then all of these errors too?

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    • Padgoi
      Banned
      • Oct 2008
      • 1873

      #3
      Re: Official "Wonky Logic" Thread

      Here's one (it should be noted, I'm playing on Hall of Fame difficulty, which really shouldn't mean anything except it does):

      I'm the Yankees, up 6-0 in the fifth inning on the Blue Jays and lighting up Buehrle. Meanwhile, Sabathia is cruising, having given up 2 hits through 4. Top of the 5th, lead-off hitter singles, then another single, then a 3-run homer so it's 6-3. I "managed" to get out of the 5th without any further damage. In the bottom of the 5th, I had a runner on third with 1 out but failed to get him home because I popped out (happens ENTIRELY too often with runners on third and less than 2 outs) and at that point I could smell something going on.

      Top of the 6th, I bring in Carpenter who had started warming up in the previous half inning. I also had Wilson ready in case I got into trouble. Carpenter walks the first batter on a 3-2 pitch that I aimed right down the middle, but it ends up outside by at least 6 inches. Next batter, first pitch double into the right centerfield gap, scoring the run and making it 6-4. I do a mound visit to relax my pitcher. First pitch next at bat, guy hits it to the EXACT same location of the previous batter (even though it was an inside fastball to a righty), resulting in an RBI triple and a 6-5 game. That's it for Carpenter, so I bring in Wilson. Next batter hits a sac fly to tie it at 6. One batter later, Dioner Navarro jack and I'm down 7-6. So they score 7 unanswered runs while making 5 outs to take the lead. Expletives were then thrown at the television. I ended up losing 7-6.

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      • zukes
        Pro
        • Mar 2005
        • 703

        #4
        Re: Official "Wonky Logic" Thread

        Originally posted by P.A.D.
        Here's one (it should be noted, I'm playing on Hall of Fame difficulty, which really shouldn't mean anything except it does):

        I'm the Yankees, up 6-0 in the fifth inning on the Blue Jays and lighting up Buehrle. Meanwhile, Sabathia is cruising, having given up 2 hits through 4. Top of the 5th, lead-off hitter singles, then another single, then a 3-run homer so it's 6-3. I "managed" to get out of the 5th without any further damage. In the bottom of the 5th, I had a runner on third with 1 out but failed to get him home because I popped out (happens ENTIRELY too often with runners on third and less than 2 outs) and at that point I could smell something going on.

        Top of the 6th, I bring in Carpenter who had started warming up in the previous half inning. I also had Wilson ready in case I got into trouble. Carpenter walks the first batter on a 3-2 pitch that I aimed right down the middle, but it ends up outside by at least 6 inches. Next batter, first pitch double into the right centerfield gap, scoring the run and making it 6-4. I do a mound visit to relax my pitcher. First pitch next at bat, guy hits it to the EXACT same location of the previous batter (even though it was an inside fastball to a righty), resulting in an RBI triple and a 6-5 game. That's it for Carpenter, so I bring in Wilson. Next batter hits a sac fly to tie it at 6. One batter later, Dioner Navarro jack and I'm down 7-6. So they score 7 unanswered runs while making 5 outs to take the lead. Expletives were then thrown at the television. I ended up losing 7-6.
        To be honest, that just sounds like a bad loss.

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        • dvazquez190
          Rookie
          • Sep 2008
          • 203

          #5
          Re: Official "Wonky Logic" Thread

          Originally posted by P.A.D.
          Here's one (it should be noted, I'm playing on Hall of Fame difficulty, which really shouldn't mean anything except it does):

          I'm the Yankees, up 6-0 in the fifth inning on the Blue Jays and lighting up Buehrle. Meanwhile, Sabathia is cruising, having given up 2 hits through 4. Top of the 5th, lead-off hitter singles, then another single, then a 3-run homer so it's 6-3. I "managed" to get out of the 5th without any further damage. In the bottom of the 5th, I had a runner on third with 1 out but failed to get him home because I popped out (happens ENTIRELY too often with runners on third and less than 2 outs) and at that point I could smell something going on.

          Top of the 6th, I bring in Carpenter who had started warming up in the previous half inning. I also had Wilson ready in case I got into trouble. Carpenter walks the first batter on a 3-2 pitch that I aimed right down the middle, but it ends up outside by at least 6 inches. Next batter, first pitch double into the right centerfield gap, scoring the run and making it 6-4. I do a mound visit to relax my pitcher. First pitch next at bat, guy hits it to the EXACT same location of the previous batter (even though it was an inside fastball to a righty), resulting in an RBI triple and a 6-5 game. That's it for Carpenter, so I bring in Wilson. Next batter hits a sac fly to tie it at 6. One batter later, Dioner Navarro jack and I'm down 7-6. So they score 7 unanswered runs while making 5 outs to take the lead. Expletives were then thrown at the television. I ended up losing 7-6.
          That definitely sounds like a real life Sabathia start and the reason Carpenter was called down lmaooo.

          As for what the developers said I do believe them. I don't think they programmed a come back code. I do however believe they programmed late game and close game situations to be pressure situations. So mistakes are capitalized on at a bigger clip. I hate close games late because I know the PC will find a way to win and honestly it happens more times than it should against great pitchers. It's just something i've had to learn to deal with.

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          • Trent Booty
            MVP
            • Jan 2015
            • 2572

            #6
            Re: Official "Wonky Logic" Thread

            I've had Yoervis Medina blow a four run lead in the bottom of the eigth like four different times this season. Luckily I traded him away.

            Each time, the first pitch that was in the strike zone was hit. Definitely think something was up.

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            • dalger21
              #realtalk
              • Feb 2010
              • 1932

              #7
              Re: Official "Wonky Logic" Thread

              Originally posted by P.A.D.
              Here's one (it should be noted, I'm playing on Hall of Fame difficulty, which really shouldn't mean anything except it does):

              I'm the Yankees, up 6-0 in the fifth inning on the Blue Jays and lighting up Buehrle. Meanwhile, Sabathia is cruising, having given up 2 hits through 4. Top of the 5th, lead-off hitter singles, then another single, then a 3-run homer so it's 6-3. I "managed" to get out of the 5th without any further damage. In the bottom of the 5th, I had a runner on third with 1 out but failed to get him home because I popped out (happens ENTIRELY too often with runners on third and less than 2 outs) and at that point I could smell something going on.

              Top of the 6th, I bring in Carpenter who had started warming up in the previous half inning. I also had Wilson ready in case I got into trouble. Carpenter walks the first batter on a 3-2 pitch that I aimed right down the middle, but it ends up outside by at least 6 inches. Next batter, first pitch double into the right centerfield gap, scoring the run and making it 6-4. I do a mound visit to relax my pitcher. First pitch next at bat, guy hits it to the EXACT same location of the previous batter (even though it was an inside fastball to a righty), resulting in an RBI triple and a 6-5 game. That's it for Carpenter, so I bring in Wilson. Next batter hits a sac fly to tie it at 6. One batter later, Dioner Navarro jack and I'm down 7-6. So they score 7 unanswered runs while making 5 outs to take the lead. Expletives were then thrown at the television. I ended up losing 7-6.
              Sounds a lot like what happened to the Braves yesterday. Up 6-nil ended up losing 9-8 because of a bad bullpen.
              est 1978

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              • HustlinOwl
                All Star
                • Mar 2004
                • 9713

                #8
                Re: Official "Wonky Logic" Thread

                Originally posted by dalger21
                Sounds a lot like what happened to the Braves yesterday. Up 6-nil ended up losing 9-8 because of a bad bullpen.
                See Reds bullpen all year smh

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                • thaSLAB
                  [Player 1]
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 4495

                  #9
                  Re: Official "Wonky Logic" Thread

                  Originally posted by HustlinOwl
                  See Reds bullpen all year smh
                  Or Tigers bullpen... ever!
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                  • sydrogerdavid
                    MVP
                    • May 2009
                    • 3109

                    #10
                    Re: Official "Wonky Logic" Thread

                    While this has nothing to do with a comeback nor boosting, it is very wonky.

                    It was late in the game and I guess the Brewers had Shane Peterson, who bats and throws left, pitch hit for the catcher. Peterson stayed in the game to catch.

                    While I'm okay with the random right handed infielder coming in to emergency catch, I'm not okay with a left handed outfielder blocking balls in the dirt, calling good pitches, and throwing MY BASERUNNERS OUT AT SECOND! GAR!

                    I wasn't having any of it, so I just quit.
                    Last edited by sydrogerdavid; 06-04-2015, 09:57 PM.

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                    • tcorb95
                      Rookie
                      • Jul 2013
                      • 103

                      #11
                      Re: Official "Wonky Logic" Thread




                      This is just one instance the cpu does not score like this all the time but plays similar to ones in the video pile up and result in runs for the cpu. Moustakas could have easily fielded that bunt with his glove the runner was not even halfway down the line by the time he reached for it. I have no words for that "passed ball." On Heyward's hit the cpu base runner is rounding 3rd by the time I release the ball at short. He was halfway to the dugout by the time I got the ball home even if Hosmer had thrown home quickly he still would have been safe. Regardless, the passed ball the play before allowed that play to happen. If that guy stays at first and Escobar makes that play I had an easy out at second. I think what would be a really nice addition to this game would be a cpu aggressiveness slider, the cpu doesn't always need to be going 100%.
                      Last edited by tcorb95; 06-04-2015, 05:30 PM.

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                      • JayD
                        All Star
                        • Mar 2004
                        • 5457

                        #12
                        Re: Official "Wonky Logic" Thread

                        Originally posted by HustlinOwl
                        See Reds bullpen all year smh
                        Or the Braves

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                        • HozAndMoose
                          MVP
                          • Mar 2013
                          • 3614

                          #13
                          Re: Official "Wonky Logic" Thread

                          Originally posted by HustlinOwl
                          See Reds bullpen all year smh
                          Originally posted by thaSLAB
                          Or Tigers bullpen... ever!
                          Originally posted by JayD
                          Or the Braves
                          I dont understand these bullpen issues you guys speak of. Dont all teams have a shut down pen?

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                          • Bullit
                            Bacon is Better
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 5004

                            #14
                            Re: Official "Wonky Logic" Thread

                            Originally posted by HozAndMoose
                            I dont understand these bullpen issues you guys speak of. Dont all teams have a shut down pen?
                            I play the Nationals, I'm good.

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                            • ryanmc564
                              Pro
                              • Jan 2014
                              • 765

                              #15
                              Re: Official "Wonky Logic" Thread

                              I just had this happen to me tonight, where my out fielder got caught in a animation resulting in aerror while I was still pressing forward to reach the ball. I never upload a video before so if this doesn't work I apologize.

                              http:// https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vKbri_lVaFU
                              Last edited by ryanmc564; 06-05-2015, 10:05 AM.

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