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  • bigd51
    Aqua?!
    • Sep 2014
    • 624

    #1

    This may help you improve your hit timing

    So the other day, I was thinking about the problem people have with adjusting to off speed pitches and their big speed difference compared to faster ones, specifically the people who say the real time it takes to reach the plate might not match the pitches flight physics in RT and could be messing up people's timing. This got me wondering if raising pitch speed would help, thinking that despite the lesser reaction time to swing, the faster off-speed pitches may start to feel a little more real. After all, I can personally adjust quicker to a faster fastball than having to wait on a changeup at default speed. So I raised pitch speed to max and timing at default.

    Obviously at first, the faster speed took a bit to adjust to, but halfway through my first game, while my reaction time was improving, I still wasn't seeing much progress on battling the speed difference with pitches.

    Then, I read something about people using broadcast camera view when batting. I immediately thought how the hell can someone bat using a camera view that's behind the pitcher? I always saw it as an option, but never thought to try it until then. So I kept the pitch speed at max and created a custom camera view using San Francisco's broadcast camera as a pre-set, lowered it a bit and to the right, and saved.

    *EDIT* You may want to also use the Custom 2 spot to create a batting view when facing left-handed pitchers. For this, use Florida's broadcast camera as the preset and try and mirror it with your Custom 1 view. That way, when a left handers comes in, you can easily toggle to Custom 2 and vice versa when facing right-handers.

    What I found was, not only is it a tad easier to read the pitch, it's easier to track it's trajectory. And not only that... I've also been seeing a decent improvement on reading change-ups faster and handling off-speed pitches with much better timing. I thought too that it would be hard to judge when to swing from that view, but it's not. It's really no harder than swinging from the catcher views. I'm reading all pitches faster and getting solid hits, homers, and games with it. It seems the ball is just easier to read, altogether, from the broadcast view and doesn't appear to be moving as fast compared to catcher views with max pitch speed. I haven't yet tried this view with default pitch speed, so I don't know if it would still have the same effect, but at max speed, it's pretty solid.

    Of course, everyone has their own preferences, but with all the people having this issue with off speed pitches, it won't hurt to have another option to try. So give it a shot and let me know how you guys fare with this, or tell us what you've found that helps.

    *EDIT* After attempting to lower the pitch speed back down to 6, I'm still able to differentiate between off-speed and fastballs much better than from a behind the plate view. Hitting changeups better with good timing and not getting fooled as much with timing slider still at default 5.
    Last edited by bigd51; 06-26-2015, 06:24 PM. Reason: additions
  • bigd51
    Aqua?!
    • Sep 2014
    • 624

    #2
    Re: This may help you improve your hit timing

    I just realized with the broadcast cameras too, depending on the pitcher's stance and windup, you can also see what the pitcher is about to pitch by looking at his finger position on the ball while he's set before he throws. You don't even have to use guess pitch if you can make out the finger position on the ball. 2 fingers spread for fastballs, 3 fingers spread for normal changeup, 2 fingers together and to the side for curveball, etc.

    Been giving this a try and it's working well. Any time I see the pitcher with 3 fingers spread on the ball, I know a changeup is coming, so really all the guess work is taken out of it. It's a cheap tactic, but effective.

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    • KBLover
      Hall Of Fame
      • Aug 2009
      • 12172

      #3
      Re: This may help you improve your hit timing

      Heh, stealing signs the MLB: The Show way

      I might have to try hitting from the pitching camera in Spring Training, etc, but the higher pitch speed I definitely do.

      What you mention about offspeed pitches "defining" themselves more distinctly is why I can't hit on anything less than 7 or 8 pitch speed. I might have to go ahead and max it out and have to try to gear up for that inside heat and maybe as "compensation" I'll not roll over on fastballs because I'm early so often.
      "Some people call it butterflies, but to him, it probably feels like pterodactyls in his stomach." --Plesac in MLB18

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      • saucerset
        Rookie
        • Jul 2010
        • 482

        #4
        Re: This may help you improve your hit timing

        For me this (hitting from pitchers view) would screw me up since I would see the catchers position and expect a ball in that area and we all know that doesn't always happen that way. One of the reasons why I don't use guess pitch at all, it would just screw with my head and there is enough going on in there already.

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        • TGov
          MVP
          • Mar 2012
          • 1169

          #5
          Re: This may help you improve your hit timing

          The first pitch from the pitcher's view I hit a home run. I actually hit pretty good with that view but I felt like I was guessing more than actually seeing and hitting the ball.

          I had the tieing run on second with no outs and couldn't get him home, ended up popping up and striking out twice to end the game.

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          • bigd51
            Aqua?!
            • Sep 2014
            • 624

            #6
            Re: This may help you improve your hit timing

            Originally posted by TGov
            The first pitch from the pitcher's view I hit a home run. I actually hit pretty good with that view but I felt like I was guessing more than actually seeing and hitting the ball.

            I had the tieing run on second with no outs and couldn't get him home, ended up popping up and striking out twice to end the game.
            It takes a little bit to get use to, but remember it's going to have a lot more to do with your camera position. Probably best to create your own custom views. You just have to find the right ones. Right now, I'm using FLA broadcast as my pre-set, then adjusting it down and to the side so I can see breaking pitches better. I also tuned the pitch speed back down to 6 or 7.

            Plus, like I said in my second post, you can almost always see what pitch is coming next without fail by using these cameras and looking at the pitchers finger position on the ball when he's set. This will tell you the type of pitch that is coming, so all the guess work is basically taken out of it. For example, if you see the pitcher has a 3 finger grip on the ball, then you know a changeup is coming.

            If anyone could tell me the easiest way to upload screenshots from the game onto here, I could show you pictures of what I'm seeing. I have screenshots of my camera positions, but can't figure out how to get them from my PS4 to my computer. I tried to copy them to a USB drive, but the USB drive is saying the PS4 folder is empty still.

            Originally posted by saucerset
            For me this (hitting from pitchers view) would screw me up since I would see the catchers position and expect a ball in that area and we all know that doesn't always happen that way. One of the reasons why I don't use guess pitch at all, it would just screw with my head and there is enough going on in there already.
            That's easy to prevent. Just don't pay attention to the catcher at all. I never do. Hell, 95% of the time, the catcher doesn't even move when I'm batting.

            Just focus on picking up the ball as it's leaving the pitchers hand and focus only on ball. Like you said, the catchers position really doesn't matter, so why should you worry about it? I've noticed too that the CPU pitchers often don't listen to their catchers calls, anyway. And again, you can always look at the pitchers grip on the ball when he's set to identify which type of pitch is coming next without having to use Guess Pitch. Trust me, you will find this to be very welcome, despite it being a cheap tactic, and if things start getting a little too easy for you since you know every pitch that's coming just about, you can always tune sliders to even things out a bit.
            Last edited by bigd51; 06-27-2015, 03:21 PM.

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            • ktd1976
              MVP
              • Mar 2006
              • 1936

              #7
              Re: This may help you improve your hit timing

              I only ever hit from a "broadcast" view, or behind the pitcher view. For the simple fact (and I know it is cheating) I can read the grip the pitcher has, and know what type of pitch is coming.

              I know it sounds cheap, but it sure beats flailing away like Bugs Bunny when a change up is thrown. This way, I can tell if it is a fastball, breaking ball, or off speed pitch coming, and adjust my timing accordingly.

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              • saucerset
                Rookie
                • Jul 2010
                • 482

                #8
                Re: This may help you improve your hit timing

                Originally posted by bigd51
                That's easy to prevent. Just don't pay attention to the catcher at all. I never do. Hell, 95% of the time, the catcher doesn't even move when I'm batting.

                Just focus on picking up the ball as it's leaving the pitchers hand and focus only on ball. Like you said, the catchers position really doesn't matter, so why should you worry about it? I've noticed too that the CPU pitchers often don't listen to their catchers calls, anyway. And again, you can always look at the pitchers grip on the ball when he's set to identify which type of pitch is coming next without having to use Guess Pitch. Trust me, you will find this to be very welcome, despite it being a cheap tactic, and if things start getting a little too easy for you since you know every pitch that's coming just about, you can always tune sliders to even things out a bit.
                It's taken me alot of years to suck the way I do now. It would just put me back to square one of sucking instead of my current intermediate level sucking. I don't know if I could go through all those levels of sucking again for a different batting camera.

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                • KBLover
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 12172

                  #9
                  Re: This may help you improve your hit timing

                  Originally posted by ktd1976
                  I know it sounds cheap, but it sure beats flailing away like Bugs Bunny when a change up is thrown. This way, I can tell if it is a fastball, breaking ball, or off speed pitch coming, and adjust my timing accordingly.
                  Sometimes this feels like me when the CPU goes into off-speed mode.

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                  • bigd51
                    Aqua?!
                    • Sep 2014
                    • 624

                    #10
                    Re: This may help you improve your hit timing

                    Originally posted by ktd1976
                    I only ever hit from a "broadcast" view, or behind the pitcher view. For the simple fact (and I know it is cheating) I can read the grip the pitcher has, and know what type of pitch is coming.

                    I know it sounds cheap, but it sure beats flailing away like Bugs Bunny when a change up is thrown. This way, I can tell if it is a fastball, breaking ball, or off speed pitch coming, and adjust my timing accordingly.
                    Well, really what I've noticed so far is pitches like 4/2-Seam and all the other 'type'-fastballs are the same grip. Basic 2 finger spread. Breaking pitches like sliders and curves are the same (2 finger closed)

                    It's not too cheap, though. if a pitcher has 3 fastballs in his arsenal, the grips are the same for each. So, even though you know it's a fastball, you still don't know which one it'll be. Kinda evens itself back out. Same with changeups. Plus, you still have to worry about where the balls going.

                    And it's not like I'm crushing the CPU everytime I play because I have this advantage. I still have close games, get shutout. And it's allowed me to up my difficulty too, so my plate discipline has improved a lot as well. Like you said, it beats doing the "curtsy" swing in front of a changeup anyday
                    Last edited by bigd51; 06-28-2015, 07:29 PM.

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                    • Jr.
                      Playgirl Coverboy
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 19171

                      #11
                      Re: This may help you improve your hit timing

                      I moved to hitting from the broadcast cam early on in this iteration and absolutely love it. I did it more so that when I play it looks as much like a real broadcast as possible.

                      There are a few broadcast views that I have to adjust due to them being extremely off-set, or too zoomed out, but for the most part I keep the camera the way it's set up in the game.

                      For those that are frustrated and struggling with hitting off-speed, I highly recommend trying this out. It definitely is tough at first, but about 8-10 games in, you should get used to it.

                      Originally posted by saucerset
                      For me this (hitting from pitchers view) would screw me up since I would see the catchers position and expect a ball in that area and we all know that doesn't always happen that way. One of the reasons why I don't use guess pitch at all, it would just screw with my head and there is enough going on in there already.
                      The catcher sets up middle every time. He doesn't move inside/outside. Just like how the signs that are flashed mean nothing.
                      Last edited by Jr.; 06-29-2015, 12:49 AM.
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                      • bigd51
                        Aqua?!
                        • Sep 2014
                        • 624

                        #12
                        Re: This may help you improve your hit timing

                        Originally posted by Jr.
                        I moved to hitting from the broadcast cam early on in this iteration and absolutely love it. I did it more so that when I play it looks as much like a real broadcast as possible.

                        There are a few broadcast views that I have to adjust due to them being extremely off-set, or too zoomed out, but for the most part I keep the camera the way it's set up in the game.

                        For those that are frustrated and struggling with hitting off-speed, I highly recommend trying this out. It definitely is tough at first, but about 8-10 games in, you should get used to it.
                        Yeah, I would've used the stadium's default broadcast views, but I needed a static camera for consistency purposes. Miami's view (still named FLA broadcast, for whatever reason) was the closest to a middle view so I could adjust the camera equally on each side, for right and left handed pitchers. Just go to cameras and flip over real quick after a pitching change.

                        What I think is the reason behind my success with this view is the strike zone being smaller on the screen. If you think about it, your eyes have to cover more of the screen when batting from the catcher view. From the broadcast view, you only have to keep your eyes covering a much smaller area, thus leaving me able to track the path of the ball much easier. in catcher view, I was a sucker for balls just barely out of the strike zone. Now, I'm laying off knowing it's a ball and that I should.

                        Well... and seeing the pitchers grip doesn't hurt either. I'm not ashamed.

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                        • ktd1976
                          MVP
                          • Mar 2006
                          • 1936

                          #13
                          Re: This may help you improve your hit timing

                          Originally posted by bigd51
                          Well, really what I've noticed so far is pitches like 4/2-Seam and all the other 'type'-fastballs are the same grip. Basic 2 finger spread. Breaking pitches like sliders and curves are the same (2 finger closed)

                          It's not too cheap, though. if a pitcher has 3 fastballs in his arsenal, the grips are the same for each. So, even though you know it's a fastball, you still don't know which one it'll be. Kinda evens itself back out. Same with changeups. Plus, you still have to worry about where the balls going.

                          And it's not like I'm crushing the CPU everytime I play because I have this advantage. I still have close games, get shutout. And it's allowed me to up my difficulty too, so my plate discipline has improved a lot as well. Like you said, it beats doing the "curtsy" swing in front of a changeup anyday
                          Actually, if you look closely, you can see the difference in grip between the 4-seam, 2 Seam, and Cutter. The grip on the 4-seam and 2-seamers LOOK the same, but if you look for the seam of the ball, you can tell the difference. It's very subtle, but if you look closely, you can see part of the seam of the ball below the finger with a 4 seam grip. With a 2 seam grip, you will not see the seam of the ball. As for the cutter, the fingers are just a hair closer together.

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