Scoring Questions

[Violinguy]

Has anyone else besides me found there to be some issues with scoring in the game? I just had two scenarios where I don't feel as though the game was scored correctly. Not a huge deal, but I want to make sure that I'm not either crazy, or just mis-remembering the rules of baseball.

Scenario #1 - Cubs tie the game late and take that tie into extra innings. Rizzo hits a 3-run homer in the top of the 11th. I bring in Rondon to close it out and despite allowing a hit, he gets three outs with no runs allowed. Shouldn't Rondon get the save here? He was not credited with one. By its very definition, I thought that was what a "save" was.

Scenario #2 - Dan Haren gets blown up, allowing 7 runs in the first two innings. The Cubs then score 8 runs in the game (6 in the 4th and 2 in the 8th), eventually losing 9-8. Haren gets the loss. Why wouldn't the guy (Wood) who gave up runs eight and nine get that loss? Shouldn't the 8th run the Cubs scored get Haren off the hook?

Thanks in advance...

[redsox4evur]

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Scenario #1 - Shouldn't Rondon get the save here?

Scenario #2 Shouldn't the 8th run the Cubs scored get Haren off the hook?

Thanks in advance...

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[kehlis]

Scoring Questions

You're correct on both.

[countryboy]

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You're correct on both.

In Scenario 1 he would get the win. The game was tied after the 10th. He was not saving a lead for a pitcher.

[kehlis]

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In Scenario 1 he would get the win. The game was tied after the 10th. He was not saving a lead for a pitcher.

I actually put that at first and then rethought it. The pitcher of record would have been the pitcher that threw the bottom of the tenth and he should have gotten the win.

[countryboy]

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I actually put that at first and then rethought it. The pitcher of record would have been the pitcher that threw the bottom of the tenth and he should have gotten the win.

Yeah I had to read his post a few times to make sure I was reading correctly and my thoughts were correct

[Jr.]

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Didn't he say Rizzo hit the HR in the top of the 11th? If he brought Rondon in to finish the bottom of the 11th, then Rondon should get the save. Whoever pitched the bottom of the 10th would get the win.

In the 2nd scenario, if the Cubs never tied the game, then Haren would still get the loss. He would only be off the hook if the game was tied up at some point and another pitcher lost the lead.

[kehlis]

Scoring Questions

Didn't he say Rizzo hit the HR in the top of the 11th? If he brought Rondon in to finish the bottom of the 11th, then Rondon should get the save. Whoever pitched the bottom of the 10th would get the win.

In the 2nd scenario, if the Cubs never tied the game, then Haren would still get the loss. He would only be off the hook if the game was tied up at some point and another pitcher lost the lead.

In the second scenario he stated the pitcher that have up the 8th and 9th runs should have gotten the loss. So while he never told us when Haren came out it seems another pitcher gave up the two deciding runs that got the loss.

Both scenarios weren't written very clearly or detailed, I had to read them several times.

[countryboy]

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LOL

I got myself so confused reading that

Yes whomever pitched the bottom of the tenth should be credited with the win

[zippy2212]

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Like others said, in scenario 1 Rondon should have gotten a save. I've had this happen to me before. The correct pitcher (who pitched the bottom of the last inning got the win) but no save was awarded.

Scenario 2: Haren would get a loss even if he gave up 1 run and Wood gave up 8 as long as the Cubs never tied the game.

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[redsox4evur]

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Actually reading it again. I can't tell on the second one. If you took Haren out right away after the 7 runs in 2 innings, I stand by my first answer.

[kehlis]

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Scenario 2: Haren would get a loss even if he gave up 1 run and Wood gave up 8 as long as the Cubs never tied the game.

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Cubs were up 8-7 when the 8th and 9th runs were given up by Wood. Wood should get the loss.

[MatrixTN]

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Scenario #1 - Cubs tie the game late and take that tie into extra innings. Rizzo hits a 3-run homer in the top of the 11th. I bring in Rondon to close it out and despite allowing a hit, he gets three outs with no runs allowed. Shouldn't Rondon get the save here? He was not credited with one. By its very definition, I thought that was what a "save" was.

Scenario #2 - Dan Haren gets blown up, allowing 7 runs in the first two innings. The Cubs then score 8 runs in the game (6 in the 4th and 2 in the 8th), eventually losing 9-8. Haren gets the loss. Why wouldn't the guy (Wood) who gave up runs eight and nine get that loss? Shouldn't the 8th run the Cubs scored get Haren off the hook?

Cubs were up 8-7 when the 8th and 9th runs were given up by Wood. Wood should get the loss.

1. Rondon should've been credited a save, the game is finky about saves in extras.

2. Did the Cubs TIE the game BEFORE the opp's 8th-9th were scored? The wording implies they did. If they did, Haren would be ND'd and L should go to Wood. If not, Haren would still be L'd.

[kehlis]

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1. Rondon should've been credited a save, the game is finky about saves in extras.

2. Did the Cubs TIE the game BEFORE the opp's 8th-9th were scored? The wording implies they did. If they did, Haren would be ND'd and L should go to Wood. If not, Haren would still be L'd.

The wording doesn't imply they tied it but that they took the lead.

[MatrixTN]

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The wording doesn't imply they tied it but that they took the lead.

They would still have to at least tie the game to negate the loss on Haren. The Q still stands - If they didn't tie the game before the opp's 9th run, Haren would still be due the loss as it goes to who allowed the lead(-changing) run.