Possible Fix for Complete Games and Shutouts

[Mike Lowe]

I've been toying around with sliders for this like crazy (see sliders forum), and there doesn't seem to be a perfect solution.

However, some early returns with manually simulating each AI vs AI games has not yielded a single CG through just my small 2 day test.

Perhaps the sliders don't impact simmed games here like they do when simming from the calendar in bulk?

For those who don't know, certain sliders like stamina and manager hook influence simmed games as well.

What I've been using in my tests is SP Stamina at 8 and MR stamina at 0. I then have manager hook set to 8 and then when playing a game and the SP is pulled, I'll up hook to 10.

I'd be curious what others are seeing in these manual sims and what settings you're trying.

[Knight165]

Re: Possible Fix for Complete Games and Shutouts

I've been toying around with sliders for this like crazy (see sliders forum), and there doesn't seem to be a perfect solution.

However, some early returns with manually simulating each AI vs AI games has not yielded a single CG through just my small 2 day test.

Perhaps the sliders don't impact simmed games here like they do when simming from the calendar in bulk?

For those who don't know, certain sliders like stamina and manager hook influence simmed games as well.

What I've been using in my tests is SP Stamina at 8 and MR stamina at 0. I then have manager hook set to 8 and then when playing a game and the SP is pulled, I'll up hook to 10.

I'd be curious what others are seeing in these manual sims and what settings you're trying.

Interesting.....
What are you seeing in terms of CG's with this?
The Show has had an abundance of CG's for a while now....I actually have my SP stamina a bit lower...7 I think maybe even 6.... and MR at 1 or 2.
I put hook up to 6.
This is manage mode.

M.K.
Knight165

[Mike Lowe]

Re: Possible Fix for Complete Games and Shutouts

Knight, I'm streaming now if you're around and can chat about it during my game.

[Knight165]

Re: Possible Fix for Complete Games and Shutouts

Knight, I'm streaming now if you're around and can chat about it during my game.

Not at my PS4...
I'd be interested to hear what you come up with though.

M.K.
Knight165

[Mike Lowe]

Re: Possible Fix for Complete Games and Shutouts

I simulated the games on the third day of this "test" and there were 3 complete games. Ok, so let's look at data. I'm not sure what to think of it...might be all a lot to do with nothin'.

So there were 37 simulated games those 3 days
3 complete games

That's about 8%

So if we use the 29 teams that are not me, 29 times 162 games is 4,698. 8% of that is about 375. Divide that by 29 teams and we're at about 12-13 complete games for the year. That's an average of at least 2 per SP.

Still too many, right? False alarm? I was excited until that third day!

[Knight165]

Re: Possible Fix for Complete Games and Shutouts

I simulated the games on the third day of this "test" and there were 3 complete games. Ok, so let's look at data. I'm not sure what to think of it...might be all a lot to do with nothin'.

So there were 37 simulated games those 3 days
3 complete games

That's about 8%

So if we use the 29 teams that are not me, 29 times 162 games is 4,698. 8% of that is about 375. Divide that by 29 teams and we're at about 12-13 complete games for the year. That's an average of at least 2 per SP.

Still too many, right? False alarm? I was excited until that third day!

Haha..
Yes...still too many, but better than what I get which is 3-5. Plus.....I would say that number might STILL drop because of your SP stamina slider adjustment, which I didn't think of that way until you posted.
If they are getting more fatigue quicker(even if they do get pulled faster as well)...perhaps as the season progresses, they don't regain all the time in order to be able to get a CG.
Just thinking out loud.

M.K.
Knight165

[Mike Lowe]

Re: Possible Fix for Complete Games and Shutouts

For sure. There might be a balance with this manual simming.

The added challenge is trying to keep MR innings/game as close to 1 as possible or below...a long reliever will go above, but it'd be nice to see most guys aside from just the CL have their IP less than games appeared in.

[Houston]

Re: Possible Fix for Complete Games and Shutouts

For sure. There might be a balance with this manual simming.

The added challenge is trying to keep MR innings/game as close to 1 as possible or below...a long reliever will go above, but it'd be nice to see most guys aside from just the CL have their IP less than games appeared in.

When testing best result are using default sliders just a heads up. CPU vs CPU will get best results with default sliders. I guess it also depends on rosters and ratings but in all my test regardless of rosters and ratings simming entire season best results I got was on default.

[forme95]

Re: Possible Fix for Complete Games and Shutouts

Mike, just a thought here.... have you thought about using 6 for starters and 0 for relievers leaving the hook at 8?
With starter at 6 I see pithers going no higher then 120 pitches and they have 0 energy.

[Mike Lowe]

Re: Possible Fix for Complete Games and Shutouts

Mike, just a thought here.... have you thought about using 6 for starters and 0 for relievers leaving the hook at 8?
With starter at 6 I see pithers going no higher then 120 pitches and they have 0 energy.

This is strictly when looking at simulated games which is where the game veers from the results we're all looking for.

[Mike Lowe]

Re: Possible Fix for Complete Games and Shutouts

When testing best result are using default sliders just a heads up. CPU vs CPU will get best results with default sliders. I guess it also depends on rosters and ratings but in all my test regardless of rosters and ratings simming entire season best results I got was on default.

After testing this relentlessly, I have to say that I strongly disagree. This is what the developers may tell us, but they also seem ok with dozens upon dozens of complete games and shutouts.

The whole purpose of this is to eliminate what the game is attempting to do in simulated games in regards to these two stats especially, while maintaining realistic IP and K numbers, for instance.

[Houston]

Re: Possible Fix for Complete Games and Shutouts

After testing this relentlessly, I have to say that I strongly disagree. This is what the developers may tell us, but they also seem ok with dozens upon dozens of complete games and shutouts.

The whole purpose of this is to eliminate what the game is attempting to do in simulated games in regards to these two stats especially, while maintaining realistic IP and K numbers, for instance.

I never said anything about what the developers have said. This probably wouldnt be a good sim with scea rosters or default rosters with default sliders, but with the realism, hybrid and my own set of rosters with players rerated based off ZiPs and Oliver projections makes a huge difference.

Try using one of the rosters mentioned with the re-rates sim 1 season on default sliders and post honest results. From many test I have done, WTN and many others the stats are very close to the current 2015 player stats. Kudos to WTNY & Teeds.

[Mike Lowe]

Re: Possible Fix for Complete Games and Shutouts

I never said anything about what the developers have said. This probably wouldnt be a good sim with scea rosters or default rosters with default sliders, but with the realism, hybrid and my own set of rosters with players rerated based off ZiPs and Oliver projections makes a huge difference.

Try using one of the rosters mentioned with the re-rates sim 1 season on default sliders and post honest results. From many test I have done, WTN and many others the stats are very close to the current 2015 player stats. Kudos to WTNY & Teeds.

I was referring to SCEAs default sliders. I wasn't referring to anything you said.

[Mike Lowe]

Re: Possible Fix for Complete Games and Shutouts

Problem with adjusted rosters is the draft classes won't follow suit.

[Houston]

Re: Possible Fix for Complete Games and Shutouts

I was generally speaking of just running a year test sim. You can always edit players in season to anyone you want and find you a good player rating formula that matches how the players are rated on the roster you decide to use.

Was just trying to give my thoughts from test I have done and hoping it might help you find a happy medium to what your trying to fix.