Scripted Innings!

[TheWarmWind]

Re: Scripted Innings!

I was looking at run distribution comparison between the team trailing after 6 innings vs the team leading after 6 inning (choosing that cut off since others were mentioning the 7th or late inning comebacks) with the assumption that run distribution should be fairly similar. Nomo has provide additional info as to why this cutoff may have bias.

I also chose recent DD games since most teams are stacked and less likelihood of a user bringing in a subpar RP. For example, I have a rotation of Diamond pitchers and all my relieves are gold/diamond. In addition, I rarely let me SP bat twice so it's unlikely that he makes it past the 5th before I bring in Chapman, Eckersley, Kimbrel, etc.

Adjusting for the new pitcher's style may be a factor too, though I was targeting those with a lot of games played so they may be more used to those nuances.

sounds good to me. Glad someone actually did the work, this topic was getting pretty apocryphal before you came along.

[Woodweaver]

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A topic for conversation:

How much of this alleged 7th inning phenomenon/boost is accounted for by:
1) leaving starting pitchers in too long, where their accuracy, break and velocity are beginning to suffer.

2) leaving starting pitchers in too long, where the user's pitch sequencing has become more predictable as the opponent's lineup turns over and the hitters are getting 3rd and 4th looks at the pitcher in the 7th inning.

3) most MLB teams do not have solid middle relievers that are consistent. So the 7th inning is left up to a mix-and-match group upper 60's to low 70's rated relievers trying to bridge the gap to the higher rated setup and closing pitchers in the 8th and 9th.

4) I mentioned user pitch sequencing, hasn't it been confirmed that the AI in The Show detects patterns in user pitch selection? I remember the old days of console baseball games when you could use the same pitch sequences batter after batter and the CPU would never register a pattern. For example, if I throw a first pitch fastball on the outer 1/3rd of the plate over and over and over again, batter after batter, how long does it take the CPU to start jumping on that first pitch fastball? 2nd time through the batting order? 3rd time?

All interesting points as well as the ones TheWarmWind mentioned (such as getting used to new pitching mechanics with relievers).

Add to it, the aggressiveness in batting/base running a player who is trailing might bring in the later innings. Conversely, the complacency a leading player may fall into on defense...

[Padgoi]

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All interesting points as well as the ones TheWarmWind mentioned (such as getting used to new pitching mechanics with relievers).

Add to it, the aggressiveness in batting/base running a player who is trailing might bring in the later innings. Conversely, the complacency a leading player may fall into on defense...

And does that explain the mysterious shrinking strike zone, the passed balls off catchers heads, the conveniently placed errors that lead to rallies, etc.? I'm sorry, but based on everything I've witnessed and the amount of time I've been playing this game, there is something definitely going on under the hood that leads to the trailing team rallying on the higher difficulties late in the game.

[cardinalbird5]

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A topic for conversation:



How much of this alleged 7th inning phenomenon/boost is accounted for by:

1) leaving starting pitchers in too long, where their accuracy, break and velocity are beginning to suffer.



2) leaving starting pitchers in too long, where the user's pitch sequencing has become more predictable as the opponent's lineup turns over and the hitters are getting 3rd and 4th looks at the pitcher in the 7th inning.



3) most MLB teams do not have solid middle relievers that are consistent. So the 7th inning is left up to a mix-and-match group upper 60's to low 70's rated relievers trying to bridge the gap to the higher rated setup and closing pitchers in the 8th and 9th.



4) I mentioned user pitch sequencing, hasn't it been confirmed that the AI in The Show detects patterns in user pitch selection? I remember the old days of console baseball games when you could use the same pitch sequences batter after batter and the CPU would never register a pattern. For example, if I throw a first pitch fastball on the outer 1/3rd of the plate over and over and over again, batter after batter, how long does it take the CPU to start jumping on that first pitch fastball? 2nd time through the batting order? 3rd time?

Again I do not believe in a comeback code....however while you make solid points the first three are basically irrelevant in DD and that is where AZST pulled his data from. Most people in DD go to their bullpen before the 5th and use guys like Chapman, Betances, Andrew Miller, Kimbrel, Rosenthal, etc


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[Woodweaver]

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And does that explain the mysterious shrinking strike zone, the passed balls off catchers heads, the conveniently placed errors that lead to rallies, etc.? I'm sorry, but based on everything I've witnessed and the amount of time I've been playing this game, there is something definitely going on under the hood that leads to the trailing team rallying on the higher difficulties late in the game.

....or you could continue to question the probity of the developer...whichever is easier.

I wonder is asztdog has a breakdown of errors per inning too...

[Padgoi]

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....or you could continue to question the probity of the developer...whichever is easier.

I'm not trying to be a pain, but please try to understand my rationale.

Everyone and their mother knows Barry Bonds took steroids.
He denies it vehemently or at least says he never knowingly took any performance enhancing drugs.
We all see with our very own eyes his body morph from a thin, lanky contact hitter with decent power to a behemoth, Ruthian slugger with the ability to hit 70+ homers at the age of 35+.
His head gets increasingly bigger.
His "other" regions get smaller, according to his girlfriend at the trial.
He continues to deny it, something we all know is BS yet we can't prove. Yet we see it with our very own eyes.

Which are you going to believe? I'm going to believe what my eyes and ears and experiences tell me is true.
It's a very similar concept.

[azstdogg]

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....or you could continue to question the probity of the developer...whichever is easier.

I wonder is asztdog has a breakdown of errors per inning too...

See post #115. I started but it became too tedious.

[ryanmc564]

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come on P.A.D and Woodweaver, lets just end this and both of you agree to disagree that San Diego stands for a whales vagina and be done with it.

[Woodweaver]

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I'm not trying to be a pain, but please try to understand my rationale.

Everyone and their mother knows Barry Bonds took steroids.
He denies it vehemently or at least says he never knowingly took any performance enhancing drugs.
We all see with our very own eyes his body morph from a thin, lanky contact hitter with decent power to a behemoth, Ruthian slugger with the ability to hit 70+ homers at the age of 35+.
His head gets increasingly bigger.
His "other" regions get smaller, according to his girlfriend at the trial.
He continues to deny it, something we all know is BS yet we can't prove. Yet we see it with our very own eyes.

Which are you going to believe? I'm going to believe what my eyes and ears and experiences tell me is true.
It's a very similar concept.

So, are you saying I am a liar or on steroids?

But, yes I get your rationale...it's much like that of those that believed the earth was flat.

[Padgoi]

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So, are you saying I am a liar or on steroids?

But, yes I get your rationale...it's much like that of those that believed the earth was flat.

well played, sir, well played...

[kehlis]

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I'm not trying to be a pain, but please try to understand my rationale.

Everyone and their mother knows Barry Bonds took steroids.
He denies it vehemently or at least says he never knowingly took any performance enhancing drugs.
We all see with our very own eyes his body morph from a thin, lanky contact hitter with decent power to a behemoth, Ruthian slugger with the ability to hit 70+ homers at the age of 35+.
His head gets increasingly bigger.
His "other" regions get smaller, according to his girlfriend at the trial.
He continues to deny it, something we all know is BS yet we can't prove. Yet we see it with our very own eyes.

Which are you going to believe? I'm going to believe what my eyes and ears and experiences tell me is true.
It's a very similar concept.

Except in your example and in your words "everyone could see it."

I agree to that point. That's not true in this case.

[Padgoi]

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Except in your example and in your words "everyone could see it."

I agree to that point. That's not true in this case.

Some people see what they want to see. There are more than enough people in this argument who see my point, good sir.

[kehlis]

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Some people see what they want to see.

I 100% agree with this.

[Padgoi]

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I 100% agree with this.

Indeed, it goes both ways.

[Bullit]

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So, are you saying I am a liar or on steroids?

But, yes I get your rationale...it's much like that of those that believed the earth WAS flat.

What is this witchcraft you speak. I have a stake and I am not afraid to burn you on it!!!!!!