Scripted Innings!

[bcruise]

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I kind of like the Show's confidence system in this context, as it relates to starting pitching. Since it starts in a neutral position the performance can swing either way very early on (causing the potential for a bigger first inning than others). As a pitcher records outs without giving up hits/runs it'll start going up and they become less hittable/"settle down" (although marginally so).

[Knight165]

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Also have to consider the top of the order going through the first inning, then perhaps cycling back around the top in the 3rd inning (which explains more of a second inning demise).

Yes....of course it's not all on pitching...good point.

I actually didn't mean to point to it that way as it's really the results of runs scored per that I meant to focus on.

But yes....batting order is going to definitely factor in.

M.K.
Knight165

[3fiddy]

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scripted??? feel free to watch and comment

http://www.twitch.tv/Hustlin0wl

Hey on the real tho. Really like the Twitch channel. Your presentation felt authentic. The Jay Bruce wall scraper was my favorite. Your pitching style was a little fine and you can see how that lead to a run but if I upped my difficulty I could see how that would be necessary. I pitch on Allstar.

Apologize to the mods it is off topic.

[HustlinOwl]

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Hey on the real tho. Really like the Twitch channel. Your presentation felt authentic. The Jay Bruce wall scraper was my favorite. Your pitching style was a little fine and you can see how that lead to a run but if I upped my difficulty I could see how that would be necessary. I pitch on Allstar.



Apologize to the mods it is off topic.

Yea HOF pitching using WTNY worst slider/settings


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[Lisac]

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I just lost 3 straight games in the 7th inning. Two 2 run leads and 1 3 run lead.
In 2 of the games I got killed by the ump calling balls on strikes that should've been inning Enders and that were called strikes earlier in the game and the other game I lost because of 3 errors in the 7th. Again we all have our beliefs and explanations but I still believe in what I originally posted when I made this thread!

[jb12780]

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I just lost 3 straight games in the 7th inning. Two 2 run leads and 1 3 run lead.
In 2 of the games I got killed by the ump calling balls on strikes that should've been inning Enders and that were called strikes earlier in the game and the other game I lost because of 3 errors in the 7th. Again we all have our beliefs and explanations but I still believe in what I originally posted when I made this thread!

You have a recording of said game?

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[cardinalbird5]

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For every game someone loses a late lead, even more games are played where nothing happens. The problem is we only tend to remember the games where we lose leads due to errors or whatever.

All of this is irrelevant until some actual statistical evidence is provided and people stop using anecdotal evidence.

As for me personally, i do not notice any comeback code. I never have. Online or offline...

What I do notice is randomness especially with the strikezone and hitting feedback, however that is more to due with the sim engine more than anything and I can accept that.

Now nba 2k is a different story....


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[azstdogg]

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For every game someone loses a late lead, even more games are played where nothing happens. The problem is we only tend to remember the games where we lose leads due to errors or whatever.

All of this is irrelevant until some actual statistical evidence is provided and people stop using anecdotal evidence.

As for me personally, i do not notice any comeback code. I never have. Online or offline...

What I do notice is randomness especially with the strikezone and hitting feedback, however that is more to due with the sim engine more than anything and I can accept that.

Now nba 2k is a different story....

I think late inning lead changes are irrelevant regarding whether there may be some programmed (intentional or a bug) influence in late innings. If someone has a decent lead, the influence may not matter to the end result.

But, looking at your most recent games which actually went 9 innings, your games follow a similar pattern. It could be that you don’t notice since the lead may not change or since many of your games end before a full 9 innings are played since you are pretty darn good. But here is the breakdown of scoring in your most recent 42 exhibition games (about 3 pages of data from TheShowNation) that went 9 innings (% of runs scored by inning):

MLB 2015 CB5 My Games
1st 13% 10% 10%
2nd 10% 9% 12%
3rd 11% 14% 9%
4th 12% 10% 11%
5th 12% 10% 8%
6th 12% 12% 12%
7th 12% 20% 18%
8th 10% 13% 10%
9th 7% 3% 10%

The 7th inning is where most of the scoring occurs for both your games and mine. I’d imagine that your 9th inning is lower than mine since you are better and don’t bat half the time in the 9th since you have the lead and the game is over.

In addition, here is the breakdown of % of games with scoring by inning.

CB5 My Games
1st 25% 20%
2nd 20% 20%
3rd 25% 17%
4th 23% 21%
5th 20% 16%
6th 29% 22%
7th 32% 30%
8th 23% 18%
9th 9% 17%

About 1/3rd of the time your games will have a run scored in the 7th, similar to my games and highest of all innings. The 6th inning, for both of our history is the next highest.

Again, not necessarily evidence that any program influence is there, but it is interesting to note. It still takes a player to swing at pitches that can be hit, but assuming a player's play style is similar throughout the entire game, I'd expect a more even distribution or at least to follow MLB patterns.

[cardinalbird5]

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Interesting stats you posted. At least you provided something but what is your theory? Id be curious to see if I do the same offline.

Are you trying to say the 7th inning always has an artificial inflation? If true, is this even considered comeback code since it happens on both sides?




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[azstdogg]

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My only theory is that there may be some influence going on that is beyond the control of the user, and the data (albeit just 2 users worth) points towards the 7th inning as when it may occur more frequently. I don’t know if I’d say the 7th inning always has influence, but from the data, it appears to have more than other innings and appears to be present for both players. My guess would be that there is in fact influence and the timing is likely somewhat random, but favors the 7th inning. It could also be that with more data we see a more even distribution (where’d Nomo go?).

I can surmise a reason to intentionally add an influence into the code (adds excitement to later innings, gives players hope after getting worked over by better players, etc), but I seriously doubt it is intentional, or at least if it was intentional, I’d hope the programmers would be able to hide it better. More than likely, since it is a complicated code with numerous factors at play, I’d guess it is just several elements that align more frequently with the 7th inning.

Additionally, I also looked at errors (in about half of the games in the data set) and 42% of the logged errors occurred in the 7th inning or later and 47% occurred in innings 5-6. Looking at just innings 5-7, 74% of all errors occurred in these innings (it is a small sample though). I also noticed a couple non-errors such as “Gattis grounded and deflected off second baseman Pennington for a single” and “Realmuto tripled and deflected off center fielder Pillar” that occurred in the 7th inning or later (http://theshownation.com/boxscores/50731579; http://theshownation.com/boxscores/50342697). The only MLB data I found on errors by inning shows a fairly even distribution with a slight trend towards later innings (from BeyondTheBoxScore):

INNINGS | ERRORS | BIP | ERR%
(1-3) | 8,509 | 443,633 | 1.92%
(4-6) | 8,696 | 453,183 | 1.92%
(7-9) | 8,034 | 394,152 | 2.04%
Extras | 508 | 24,011 | 2.12%

I don’t know if it is comeback code, a bug, unintended consequences of programming multiple random elements, or randomness of the data, but whatever is going on, it “feels” like the game is taken out of the user’s hands for a bit and I can see how this is frustrating.

[HustlinOwl]

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or later innings with closer games player attribute(s) clutch play more of a role?

[azstdogg]

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or later innings with closer games player attribute(s) clutch play more of a role?

Could be that too, but it seems to be impacting offense more than pitching/defense.

[HustlinOwl]

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IDK, some more gameplay right now http://www.twitch.tv/Hustlin0wl

[Gagnon39]

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I bet the Texas Rangers felt like they had two scripted innings in game six of the 2011 World Series.

[cardinalbird5]

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The devs said clutch does not have much of an impact on the game and it is for RISP, regardless of the inning.

I just think it is a combination of starters wearing down and you get see middle relievers (who are the worst pitchers on the team usually).

As for me personally...I would take my online games with a grain of salt. I think the focus of this thread was for mainly offline games and giving the CPU some "comeback code". I could have interpreted the OP wrongly, however.

I am curious though if you could find some random DD player in the 1600-1700s and run that same test? If you get 3-4 random DD players and they all score more in the 6th and 7th inning..that would be interesting.