Good timing = foul ball

[BeatArmy]

I've noticed something that has to be fixed for 16. Good timing, even on guess pitch, ends up as a foul ball. For those that think "It's just confirmation bias", I kept track for a four game series.

Good timing: 31 times.
Foul balls: 28
Homers: 1
Doubles: 2

One of the doubles came with guess pitch on also. Even when one guesses completely right (with no feedback) and has perfect timing, you get nothing.

At least put it in play.

[Bullit]

Re: Good timing = foul ball

Not to throw gas on a fire but those numbers really don't mean anything.

What team are you playing with?
Who's at bats did you track?
What difficulties are you playing on?
Which swing mechanic are you using?

A hitter with a higher contact but no plate vision WILL foul them off all day. (It may be the other way around i havent slept in two days) Good timing or not if you dont square up the ball its not staying fair most of the time.

I rarely try to hit with good timing anyway. Straight up the middle only gets you so far. Rather line it over the 3rd or 1st basemans head anyday.

[kehlis]

Re: Good timing = foul ball

I've noticed something that has to be fixed for 16. Good timing, even on guess pitch, ends up as a foul ball. For those that think "It's just confirmation bias", I kept track for a four game series.

Good timing: 31 times.
Foul balls: 28
Homers: 1
Doubles: 2

One of the doubles came with guess pitch on also. Even when one guesses completely right (with no feedback) and has perfect timing, you get nothing.

At least put it in play.

This isn't a broad enough "study" and gives nothing.

Good timing doesn't equate to a well struck ball, there are much more mechanics to a swing than just timing.

You could in theory have perfect time and completely miss the ball if your swing is off.

[Syce]

Re: Good timing = foul ball

Not to throw gas on a fire but those numbers really don't mean anything.

What team are you playing with?
Who's at bats did you track?
What difficulties are you playing on?
Which swing mechanic are you using?

A hitter with a higher contact but no plate vision WILL foul them off all day. (It may be the other way around i havent slept in two days) Good timing or not if you dont square up the ball its not staying fair most of the time.

I rarely try to hit with good timing anyway. Straight up the middle only gets you so far. Rather line it over the 3rd or 1st basemans head anyday.

honestly i dont think any of that matters. atleast in my view, doesnt matter who i use if it says Good Timing, it is 100% a foul ball or strike, atleast for me, i have yet to see a good timing swing actually hit the ball in play.

[Bobhead]

Re: Good timing = foul ball

This isn't a broad enough "study" and gives nothing.

Good timing doesn't equate to a well struck ball, there are much more mechanics to a swing than just timing.

You could in theory have perfect time and completely miss the ball if your swing is off.

Right. Good timing is only a part of the equation.

OP... assuming you're playing with default sliders, my guess is that your swings are missing a lot, location-wise. If you're playing with Zone or Analog, you should work on your PCI locations. If you're playing with Timing, then you're probably just going through a stretch of bad luck.

[kehlis]

Re: Good timing = foul ball

honestly i dont think any of that matters. atleast in my view, doesnt matter who i use if it says Good Timing, it is 100% a foul ball or strike, atleast for me, i have yet to see a good timing swing actually hit the ball in play.

How would the swing mechanic not matter?

If it's timing, there may be a discussion. If he's using zone timing is only part of the equation of whether or not the ball is hit in the field of play.

[bcruise]

Re: Good timing = foul ball

Right. Good timing is only a part of the equation.

OP... assuming you're playing with default sliders, my guess is that your swings are missing a lot, location-wise. If you're playing with Zone or Analog, you should work on your PCI locations. If you're playing with Timing, then you're probably just going through a stretch of bad luck.

To add to this - there's a way to see the quality of your hits (basically, how well you aimed the PCI) in the game's batter analysis screen. It's called hitchance and while the filter for it is a little buggy in this game, it still functions just fine. I'll explain more in detail once I get home from work if no one beats me to it.

Also remember that if you use timing hitting (including directional) you have NO control over PCI placement and will therefore be subject to this more often.

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[Syce]

Re: Good timing = foul ball

How would the swing mechanic not matter?

If it's timing, there may be a discussion. If he's using zone timing is only part of the equation of whether or not the ball is hit in the field of play.

well for me, i use directional hitting.

[kehlis]

Re: Good timing = foul ball

well for me, i use directional hitting.

Not sure how the mechanic you use has any bearing on the question or direction of the thread.


You said in the post that you quoted that you didn't understand how any of the points brought up had any bearing when the hitting mechanic being used is extremely important to know

[bcruise]

Re: Good timing = foul ball

The best way I can probably explain Hitchance and how to see/use it is to link back to a previous post on the subject from this year:

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...1&postcount=50

The context is a little different - the issue was people not being able to score runs with RISP - but the concept is the same. Filter by fouls instead of outs and take a look at the numbers on each dot - most of the time they should be on the lower end of that 15 point scale. Of course you're going to have some high-number fouls, but those should be like near-homerun balls which just went foul.

To be honest I don't like how a lot of the analysis stuff got pushed into the background this past year - I think all they did with that green/yellow/red circle and the timing display was just encourage these types of complaints. This is not a simple game at all, and only showing part of the calculations that were going into every swing confused a lot of people. The on-screen box from '14 and earlier that included some kind of indicator of quality of contact (it would say solid, weak, popup, etc.) was a lot better for us obsessive types IMO....lol.

[Bobhead]

Re: Good timing = foul ball

The best way I can probably explain Hitchance and how to see/use it is to link back to a previous post on the subject from this year:

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...1&postcount=50

The context is a little different - the issue was people not being able to score runs with RISP - but the concept is the same. Filter by fouls instead of outs and take a look at the numbers on each dot - most of the time they should be on the lower end of that 15 point scale. Of course you're going to have some high-number fouls, but those should be like near-homerun balls which just went foul.

To be honest I don't like how a lot of the analysis stuff got pushed into the background this past year - I think all they did with that green/yellow/red circle and the timing display was just encourage these types of complaints. This is not a simple game at all, and only showing part of the calculations that were going into every swing confused a lot of people. The on-screen box from '14 and earlier that included some kind of indicator of quality of contact (it would say solid, weak, popup, etc.) was a lot better for us obsessive types IMO....lol.

I had no idea this hitchance thing existed. The label is bugged (the filter label for Hitchance) it just says "Label" until you move your cursor away from it, so I never noticed it.

This seems like it could be useful for gauging my own contact.

[nemesis04]

Re: Good timing = foul ball

I would be surprised if the quality of contact feedback was not back in 16.

[Bobhead]

Re: Good timing = foul ball

I would be surprised if the quality of contact feedback was not back in 16.

So no more blob?

[nemesis04]

Re: Good timing = foul ball

So no more blob?

I would not necessarily say that.

[BeatArmy]

Re: Good timing = foul ball

OP here.

I use timing and have only used timing since MLB09. It is almost without fail that good timing will end up with a foul back. I can hit HRs on contact with early timing, drive to the gaps with late but good largely gets me nothing. Even using the directional, good ends up foul. Push to the right to make a RH go the other way, get the outside pitch, good timing, foul ball.

My drafted team's lineup, second season.
Yelich, Utley, Freeman, Bryant, K. Seager, Springer, Lagares, O'Brien (ARZ catcher prospect in OSFM), Simmons. I'm hitting about .245 as a team, good for 16th overall.

Not default sliders with only timing up to 9 since hitting this year is the hardest I've ever seen.