Please eliminate "bunt dancing" from online play.

[NBAGreen]

Players will constantly look at the position of the infielders using the third person view while quickly alternating between being squared up to bunt and back in a normal hitting stance. It looks like the hitter is twitching. Along with bunt and steal cheesing, this is one of the most annoying online cheese tactics.

There is a discussion about this at the MLB The Show Reddit page:
Reddit discussion

Here is a Youtube video that shows "bunt dancing":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqu34Y3cq_k

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[Factzzz]

Re: Please eliminate &quot;bunt dancing&quot; from online play.

PS: How can I embed this as a video and not a link?

To embed as a video, just go to where it says "Share" (under the title of the video on youtube), and then go over to "Embed", and copy that text there, and paste it.

That's it.

Also, the bunt dancing is annoying, looks silly, but probably something we're just going to have to deal with with it being online play.

[bcruise]

Re: Please eliminate &quot;bunt dancing&quot; from online play.

Although I'll grant that this is silly, I'm not sure it qualifies as "cheese" if there's no actual effect on the game from it (other than annoying the other player). That's kind of exaggerating the problem.

If it caused the corner IF's to charge as though they were expecting a bunt that's one thing, but I'm pretty sure that doesn't happen?

[NBAGreen]

Re: Please eliminate &quot;bunt dancing&quot; from online play.

Although I'll grant that this is silly, I'm not sure it qualifies as "cheese" if there's no actual effect on the game from it (other than annoying the other player). That's kind of exaggerating the problem.

If it caused the corner IF's to charge as though they were expecting a bunt that's one thing, but I'm pretty sure that doesn't happen?

"Bunt dance" cheesers are not necessarily bunt cheesers. They will do this using every batter and may never actually bunt. Allowing the hitter to constantly change from bunt stance to normal hitting stance is somewhat annoying. However, allowing the batter to combine R3 with a direction selection to make the screen shake is terrible.

My guess is that it doesn't affect fielder AI.

[Syce]

Re: Please eliminate &quot;bunt dancing&quot; from online play.

pitching to that is annoying as well, but since you have to focus on the bar whether its the meter bar or the analog bar or even the pulse for pulse pitching the bunt dance kind of throws you off when trying to focus on said bars.

[nomo17k]

Re: Please eliminate &quot;bunt dancing&quot; from online play.

I feel this was a legitimate cheese when doing bunt dancing used to cause the network connection hiccups, to throw off timing on meter/analog/pulse inputs.

Since the new online implementation a couple years ago, however, doing bunt dancing hasn't caused as much network issues (though I would still say it sometimes do). This hasn't bothered me as much because of it.

[kehlis]

Re: Please eliminate &quot;bunt dancing&quot; from online play.

"Bunt dance" cheesers are not necessarily bunt cheesers. They will do this using every batter and may never actually bunt. Allowing the hitter to constantly change from bunt stance to normal hitting stance is somewhat annoying. However, allowing the batter to combine R3 with a direction selection to make the screen shake is terrible.

My guess is that it doesn't affect fielder AI.

This might be an effect of offline/online differences.

Forgive me as I have never played an online game but when I'm offline I can view the corners to see where they are playing and never got the impression that my batter was squaring around. I could do this as long as I needed though and it would prevent the CPU from pitching.

Is this maybe a band aid between the differences of the two modes? If your opponent is view the corners are you able to pitch or are you prevented from doing so?

[NBAGreen]

Re: Please eliminate &quot;bunt dancing&quot; from online play.

This might be an effect of offline/online differences.

Forgive me as I have never played an online game but when I'm offline I can view the corners to see where they are playing and never got the impression that my batter was squaring around. I could do this as long as I needed though and it would prevent the CPU from pitching.

Is this maybe a band aid between the differences of the two modes? If your opponent is view the corners are you able to pitch or are you prevented from doing so?

The bold part is true online as well.

I don't understand your first question.

You cannot pitch when your online opponent is viewing the corners. While your opponent views the corners, you are seeing the same screen as your opponent.

[RockPowderDownLoL]

Re: Please eliminate &quot;bunt dancing&quot; from online play.

Whoever is doing this bunt dancing is likely not doing it intentionally. It's likely they are picking their swing influence and this is what happens because they are using analog. It's annoying on both ends not just for those who are pitching but also for the batter as it ruins his own rhythm.

[kehlis]

Re: Please eliminate &quot;bunt dancing&quot; from online play.

The bold part is true online as well.

I don't understand your first question.

You cannot pitch when your online opponent is viewing the corners. While your opponent views the corners, you are seeing the same screen as your opponent.

Well I don't play online so the first question was a precursor to the second one so if it prevents you from pitching online then first question is pretty much null anyway.

[MrOldboy]

Re: Please eliminate &quot;bunt dancing&quot; from online play.

I could care less about people "bunt dancing". It doesn't affect my pitching and only makes it harder for them to hit. I haven't noticed any issues with the meter or pulse the last couple years. The ability to show bunt and pull it back can be useful so I wouldn't want it to be disabled or limited. It's annoying visually, but it would limit gameplay a bit for those that do show bunt a few times during a pitch.

What I would like removed is seeing the opponent's 1st person camera. Most people just go into the view to waste your time or fling it around in an attempt to annoy you. Just have it show an icon or something that a person is "looking around" if the devs feel that feature is really needed online. The first person camera is useless anyways if the person pitching can see you are using it so I never use it online.

As long as the infield shift info is displayed I don't really see a use for the first person view online. Show the batter where the infield is playing and you can just disable the camera online.

[nemesis04]

Re: Please eliminate &quot;bunt dancing&quot; from online play.

What I would like removed is seeing the opponent's 1st person camera. Most people just go into the view to waste your time or fling it around in an attempt to annoy you. Just have it show an icon or something that a person is "looking around" if the devs feel that feature is really needed online. The first person camera is useless anyways if the person pitching can see you are using it so I never use it online.

As long as the infield shift info is displayed I don't really see a use for the first person view online. Show the batter where the infield is playing and you can just disable the camera online.

I would agree, either disable altogether or put a one use lock per at bat on it.

[NBAGreen]

Re: Please eliminate &quot;bunt dancing&quot; from online play.

I think that the best way to remove the twitching from alternating between a squared to bunt and normal stance is to allow exactly two bunt attempts per pitch. That way the batter can fake bunting before the pitch if they wish to make the pitcher consider their pitch choice and placement. If they then choose to bunt by squaring up a second time they will have the option to draw back the bat if they don't like the pitch.

This solution will not lessen the realism of the game because a batter in MLB will never show bunt more than twice during a pitch.

The first person view should be stationary so that the online opponent can't make the camera shake or its view by the opponent of the player using first person view should be eliminated. Eliminating it completely from online play will work too if the batter can see the fielder placement display.

[thomas2345]

Re: Please eliminate &quot;bunt dancing&quot; from online play.

You should only be allowed to bunt when the ball has left the pitchers hand. I dont know if this can be done, but its a good idea so opponents cant just fake bunt constantly when you are trying to pitch.

[mpulse24]

Re: Please eliminate &quot;bunt dancing&quot; from online play.

From what I have seem with the new Fish Eye camera view (which I really like) It seems that camera angle defeats the purpose of the first person batter view altogether. If they can't remove the first person view then maybe they could make it so that whatever batting camera angle is using will pull back to the fish eye cam when you press R3, so the hitter can check the fielders, but this won't effect or change the pace, view or gameplay on their opponents end or stop the progression of the oncoming pitch selection and delivery because the player at bat is the only one seeing the visual change.

For the "bunt cheesing" (which I don't have too much of a problem with) I agree with NBAGreen. Set a limit on the batter to squaring up 2 (maybe 3) times per pitch and that will eliminate the cheesing while not effecting gameplay.